Yep... After stating that the developers thought that it was a clever use on game mechanics, it was announced that there was a stealth hot"fix" for the Grimtotem Spirit Guides.
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And there goes the 200g I paid for the metagem, and the spirit shards I paid for a headpiece to stuff it in. Finished the preparation to get the wolf yesterday, and had a Priest and Shaman ready for tonight. As so many in that thread stated, I wouldn't mind if they had announced it and given a deadline for taming that pet. But just stealth nerfing that tame? That's low, considering the blue post stating that we had all the time in the world to tame it.
I'm contacting a GM to replace the headpiece and metagem with an equivalent sum of money and Spirit Shards.
Edit:
Seriously, I just have to rant a little more. They don't feel it fits with the Hunter feeling and image? But a failed Warlock/Cyborg hybrid does, with lightning bolts shooting from your shoulders? Or slapping bloody eyeballs on your head and shoulders? Yeah, that's real Hunterish... What the fUck is the Dev Team smoking?
Edited, Jan 15th 2008 2:19am by NorthAI
I'm contacting a GM to replace the headpiece and metagem with an equivalent sum of money and Spirit Shards.
Edit:
Seriously, I just have to rant a little more. They don't feel it fits with the Hunter feeling and image? But a failed Warlock/Cyborg hybrid does, with lightning bolts shooting from your shoulders? Or slapping bloody eyeballs on your head and shoulders? Yeah, that's real Hunterish... What the fUck is the Dev Team smoking?
Edited, Jan 15th 2008 2:19am by NorthAI
For those who can't be fruitcaked looking the Blizzard response to this, here it is.
Wow, that sucks. I wasn't intent on taming one as I'm a poor ******* and a bit much effort for me (A lazy ******* as well), but for those who set up the effort, money and co-ordination to do this only to be denied, it sucks. Had Blizz decided to get rid of it during the next patch with ample warning then thats ok, but to stealth hotfix it, as North said thats low. And with this another pet thats actually good looking is throw out the window for 'appearance of the wolf in relation to the feel of the hunter class'. So as said in the thread, plauged boars, bears and ghost cats are more to the hunter feel? It seems Blizz kinda stuffed up a bit on this one.
Some Blizzard guy wrote:
Through a hotfix we’ve recently removed the ability to tame a Grimtotem Spirit Guide. Players who have already gone through the trouble of taming the creature will be able to keep them unchanged. This hotfix only removes the possibility to tame this creature from here on.
The removal of the spirit guide has been debated within design discussions for a while now as to what impact the pet and its precedent has on the game.
The unintended nature of the taming, the undead status of the guide, appearance of the wolf in relation to the feel of the hunter class, and the complex processes of taming were all issues touched upon and discussed.
Ultimately the discussions brought us to the conclusion that this should not be a permanent addition to the pet selection available to hunters; however, those that have already tamed them should be allowed to keep them due to their efforts in obtaining one.
The removal of the spirit guide has been debated within design discussions for a while now as to what impact the pet and its precedent has on the game.
The unintended nature of the taming, the undead status of the guide, appearance of the wolf in relation to the feel of the hunter class, and the complex processes of taming were all issues touched upon and discussed.
Ultimately the discussions brought us to the conclusion that this should not be a permanent addition to the pet selection available to hunters; however, those that have already tamed them should be allowed to keep them due to their efforts in obtaining one.
Wow, that sucks. I wasn't intent on taming one as I'm a poor ******* and a bit much effort for me (A lazy ******* as well), but for those who set up the effort, money and co-ordination to do this only to be denied, it sucks. Had Blizz decided to get rid of it during the next patch with ample warning then thats ok, but to stealth hotfix it, as North said thats low. And with this another pet thats actually good looking is throw out the window for 'appearance of the wolf in relation to the feel of the hunter class'. So as said in the thread, plauged boars, bears and ghost cats are more to the hunter feel? It seems Blizz kinda stuffed up a bit on this one.
Get a boar!... jk... remember when those were all the rage?!
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Wow...pretty hard to comprehend that they actually did this, especially since they claimed that they would leave it tamable. I hope that they don't remove the ability to feed the pet so that the ones who actually have it will lose it, that would just be horrible. :[
I told the hunters in my guild about it, and it turns out that one of them has spent the money on the gem, and leveling his leatherworking for the drums, but could never find a shaman to help him.
Needless to say, he was upset.
Needless to say, he was upset.
Just proof that blizzard knows as much about their game as Simon Cowell does about tact.
You know, I'm usually very willing to accept change and learn to adapt to the new status quo. And I had absolutely no desire or intention to ever tame one of these wolves. But I still think it's a lousy decision by Blizzard, and made for lousy reasons.
Kompera wrote:
I had absolutely no desire or intention to ever tame one of these wolves. But I still think it's a lousy decision by Blizzard, and made for lousy reasons.
I totally agree. Even if I ignore the change and the lack of good reasons to make the creature untameable... It just sucks to have made the change in secret, without announcement beforehand.
North, I hope they pay back the gold for your gear and shards - though I expect them to say "tough luck" basically.
I wish they'd spend their design meeting times on stuff both less pointless and less petty than this.
What a bunch of gonks. Seriously. I was all ready to do this at the weekend. Id love to be a fly on the wall of a Devs meeting.
Dev1: You know that wolf thingy all the Hunters are in the middle of trying to tame?
Dev2: Yeh, the one that costs a few bob to obtain? i know it.
Dev1: Gonna get rid of the ability to tame it.
Dev2: Why? Dont tell me, your Gf dumped you and this is just a knee jerk reaction to that,,?
Dev1: No no, I stubbed my toe on the bed post last night, really hurt me it did.
Dev2: (scratches head with a look of sarcasm across his face) Thats ok then bud,,
Joking aside, i was looking forward to doing this. Talk about the nasty neighbour that bursts the kiddies football eh?
Dev1: You know that wolf thingy all the Hunters are in the middle of trying to tame?
Dev2: Yeh, the one that costs a few bob to obtain? i know it.
Dev1: Gonna get rid of the ability to tame it.
Dev2: Why? Dont tell me, your Gf dumped you and this is just a knee jerk reaction to that,,?
Dev1: No no, I stubbed my toe on the bed post last night, really hurt me it did.
Dev2: (scratches head with a look of sarcasm across his face) Thats ok then bud,,
Joking aside, i was looking forward to doing this. Talk about the nasty neighbour that bursts the kiddies football eh?
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Posted: Jan 15 2008 at 3:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The Pet looks awful and its a wolf...
I already have one so I guess I should be glad that they've been removed.
But I'm not.
Blizz changing their minds about this means they could quite easily change them again and I could log in one day to see the wolf I spent 300g and a lot of effort levelling from 30 turned into a generic wolf skin.
Not to mention I had fun taming this one, I enjoyed the challenge and coordination it required, I don't like the fact they took it away from other Hunters.
I generally get at least one /w a day asking me where my pet came from. What the hell do I tell them now?
But I'm not.
Blizz changing their minds about this means they could quite easily change them again and I could log in one day to see the wolf I spent 300g and a lot of effort levelling from 30 turned into a generic wolf skin.
Not to mention I had fun taming this one, I enjoyed the challenge and coordination it required, I don't like the fact they took it away from other Hunters.
I generally get at least one /w a day asking me where my pet came from. What the hell do I tell them now?
Blizzard lied to us!
You know, I always laughed at people saying that in threads on the official forums. But for once it’s true. An official representative from Blizzard posted on the official forums telling their player base that we were not only allowed to tame this wolf, but that Blizzard thought it was ingenious on our part to figure out how to do it and that they were even looking into fixing the pet’s animation. Then they turn around and make it untamable without any notice whatsoever? To hell with all those hunters who were looking forward to having this pet and especially to those who spent hundreds of gold in preparation to tame it?
Blizzard lied to us!
I had debated whether or not go try to get this wolf. I do like the wolf model as a pet. And it was certainly unusual looking. But I hadn’t really made up my mind. And as we had the okay from Blizzard to tame them I didn’t think there was any hurry. Thankfully my friend, who really really wanted one got his, with my help and that of a shaman in the guild.
Blizzard lied to us!
You know, I always laughed at people saying that in threads on the official forums. But for once it’s true. An official representative from Blizzard posted on the official forums telling their player base that we were not only allowed to tame this wolf, but that Blizzard thought it was ingenious on our part to figure out how to do it and that they were even looking into fixing the pet’s animation. Then they turn around and make it untamable without any notice whatsoever? To hell with all those hunters who were looking forward to having this pet and especially to those who spent hundreds of gold in preparation to tame it?
Blizzard lied to us!
I had debated whether or not go try to get this wolf. I do like the wolf model as a pet. And it was certainly unusual looking. But I hadn’t really made up my mind. And as we had the okay from Blizzard to tame them I didn’t think there was any hurry. Thankfully my friend, who really really wanted one got his, with my help and that of a shaman in the guild.
Blizzard lied to us!
The blue poster who said it we'd be able to tame them forever has released his statement.
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1782078645&sid=1&pageNo=2
It basically says "oops".
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1782078645&sid=1&pageNo=2
It basically says "oops".
Rasen wrote:
It basically says "oops".
I don't even know if it says that. It's more like, "We changed our minds. Kinda sucks but what'r ya gonna do?"
I'm with North and his complaints. They say that this pet doesn't fit in with the Hunter image, but the T6 set, with all it's retarded eyeballs and blazing red color does? What a bunch of raging fcuktards.
According to Blizzards own Hunter lore, we are supposed to be one with nature and the natural order (aka life cycle of the planet) which basically means we're Shamans that use Bows and Pets instead of magic and Totems..... and using this image, having the spirit of a noble wolf as our companion doesn't fit their idea of what a Hunter should be?
C'mon Blizzard, make up your minds... or at least spend your time working on something that ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED!
According to Blizzards own Hunter lore, we are supposed to be one with nature and the natural order (aka life cycle of the planet) which basically means we're Shamans that use Bows and Pets instead of magic and Totems..... and using this image, having the spirit of a noble wolf as our companion doesn't fit their idea of what a Hunter should be?
C'mon Blizzard, make up your minds... or at least spend your time working on something that ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED!
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Posted: Jan 15 2008 at 8:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How the hell can you tame a ghost wolf and say it fits in? It look absolutly bloody rediculous!
Well, I think it's pretty obvious that blizzard just wants everyone to use a cat or a ravager. They never bothered scaling furious howl for one.
I'm glad I got mine, but this just pisses me off.
oh and Reccyuk, maybe you thought it looked ugly, but a lot of people thought it looked cool. Also Blizzard said it would stay and then just changed their mind and didn't even bother telling anyone. So GFY.
edit: it's a good move because you don't like how it looks? Has the stupid completely taken over your brain? If you have something worthwhile to post, like a comment about precedence or an actual valid reason blizz might have done this feel free, but shut the fuck up with your meaningless posts.
Edited, Jan 15th 2008 10:09am by Xsarus
I'm glad I got mine, but this just pisses me off.
oh and Reccyuk, maybe you thought it looked ugly, but a lot of people thought it looked cool. Also Blizzard said it would stay and then just changed their mind and didn't even bother telling anyone. So GFY.
edit: it's a good move because you don't like how it looks? Has the stupid completely taken over your brain? If you have something worthwhile to post, like a comment about precedence or an actual valid reason blizz might have done this feel free, but shut the fuck up with your meaningless posts.
Edited, Jan 15th 2008 10:09am by Xsarus
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Reccyuk wrote:
A Blue, ghost wolf by an orc's Side.. looks crap... Now a Big, White Tiger!!
Wait, so you're gonna say that a ghost wolf doesn't work but something like the ghost saber does work? That's just... Retarded.
I don't have the ghost wolf. I didn't particularly want to tame it - I'm happy with my current pets. But I don't see anything wrong with it being tamed. Especially if one ghost model is already classified as fine.
I’ve been posting in the thread on the OBards. I feel like I’ve been fighting the good fight, so to speak. Its most likely a pointless battle, but one I feel worth fighting.
To be honest I feel something else has to be going on. Blizzard gives use the official OK to tame this pet, even talk about fixing its animation. Then they stealth nerf it. Blizzard states that they don’t want hunters to tame it because of its undead status and its looks don’t fit with their feel of what a hunter should be. But hunters can already tame an undead boar, a transparent cat and rotting bears and wolves. Game mechanic wise this wolf is no different than any other in game. It therefore cannot cause any kind of game imbalance. And yet Blizzard chose to do an emergency nerf to remove our ability to tame it. And they did so knowing they were breaking their own word and that it would tick off a lot of their player base. What in the name of all the gaming gods is really going on?
On a side note, I’m rather flattered that so many players on the official forums have taken my new signature as their own. And who knows, if enough people express their displeasure perhaps Blizzard will decide the ghost wolf battle isn’t one worth losing the trust of their player base over.
To be honest I feel something else has to be going on. Blizzard gives use the official OK to tame this pet, even talk about fixing its animation. Then they stealth nerf it. Blizzard states that they don’t want hunters to tame it because of its undead status and its looks don’t fit with their feel of what a hunter should be. But hunters can already tame an undead boar, a transparent cat and rotting bears and wolves. Game mechanic wise this wolf is no different than any other in game. It therefore cannot cause any kind of game imbalance. And yet Blizzard chose to do an emergency nerf to remove our ability to tame it. And they did so knowing they were breaking their own word and that it would tick off a lot of their player base. What in the name of all the gaming gods is really going on?
On a side note, I’m rather flattered that so many players on the official forums have taken my new signature as their own. And who knows, if enough people express their displeasure perhaps Blizzard will decide the ghost wolf battle isn’t one worth losing the trust of their player base over.
They said they were 'looking at everything' and I don't think they actually were. I think they missed the biggest opportunity here.
If some high level hunter is willing to spend mucho gold and time and energy and effort to achieve this: LET THEM. It proves that 'special and unique' pets have a place in the game. They've standardized pets and some people have demonstrated that they will go to EXTREME's to get a unique pet.
I'd have made MORE unique pets. Heck, in WotLK I'd release a dozen hard to tame, tough and expensive to get pets. Force Hunters to figure out the game mechanics necessary to do it.
Make tameable Dragons, Super Size Raptors, Undead Boars, Wind Serpents with Acid Breath, etc. Make the game fun and tough for those looking for that 'special' pet. Start giving special pets out to those with 'Exalted' status with a certain faction. Let the special pets have 1 special ability that doesn't throw off game balance so much but is 'neat'.
In the end, it would draw more people to the end game and let people look more custom for the end game. After all, if we follow our own 'guides' we all end up with the same gear and thus look the same. At least some of us can look different by having that cool pet at our side.
I won't give up Morris, he's been with Thal through everything since just before 40. That doesn't mean I don't want some other pet for other purposes.
Blizz blew it here. The problem isn't with the undead nature of the pet, this is easily explainable, you can BE an undead toon- duh. It's a fantasy game, if the dev's say "undead pet is okay" then "undead pet is okay". To take something away that was okay is dumb and lacking thought. The other direction makes far more sense: make MORE unique pets. Just make the players work to get them. Then they are earned.
If some high level hunter is willing to spend mucho gold and time and energy and effort to achieve this: LET THEM. It proves that 'special and unique' pets have a place in the game. They've standardized pets and some people have demonstrated that they will go to EXTREME's to get a unique pet.
I'd have made MORE unique pets. Heck, in WotLK I'd release a dozen hard to tame, tough and expensive to get pets. Force Hunters to figure out the game mechanics necessary to do it.
Make tameable Dragons, Super Size Raptors, Undead Boars, Wind Serpents with Acid Breath, etc. Make the game fun and tough for those looking for that 'special' pet. Start giving special pets out to those with 'Exalted' status with a certain faction. Let the special pets have 1 special ability that doesn't throw off game balance so much but is 'neat'.
In the end, it would draw more people to the end game and let people look more custom for the end game. After all, if we follow our own 'guides' we all end up with the same gear and thus look the same. At least some of us can look different by having that cool pet at our side.
I won't give up Morris, he's been with Thal through everything since just before 40. That doesn't mean I don't want some other pet for other purposes.
Blizz blew it here. The problem isn't with the undead nature of the pet, this is easily explainable, you can BE an undead toon- duh. It's a fantasy game, if the dev's say "undead pet is okay" then "undead pet is okay". To take something away that was okay is dumb and lacking thought. The other direction makes far more sense: make MORE unique pets. Just make the players work to get them. Then they are earned.
it's also very telling that instead of responding in a mature fashion, Blizz are choosing to lock the thread on the O=boards and even go as far as to delete the other Blue post saying we could keep the wolves.
Ok, I'm calling shenanigans.
If Swamplord Musel'ek can tame a freaking druid, I think it's within the lines of the game to tame a spirit wolf.
And I also agree and consider it a second complaint: Some of the hunter gear is downright... not-hunterly.
You know what I really want is some shogun lacquered battle armour. Mysamuraihunter running around shooting arrows from horseback in samurai armor would be the bees knees.
Edited, Jan 15th 2008 9:30am by digitalcraft
If Swamplord Musel'ek can tame a freaking druid, I think it's within the lines of the game to tame a spirit wolf.
And I also agree and consider it a second complaint: Some of the hunter gear is downright... not-hunterly.
You know what I really want is some shogun lacquered battle armour. My
Edited, Jan 15th 2008 9:30am by digitalcraft
These ghost wolves have *absolutely nothing* different than any normal wolves, except how they look.
They aren't even all that transparent.
Blizzard! Get some real hunters on your dev team!
They aren't even all that transparent.
Blizzard! Get some real hunters on your dev team!
Blizz fails.
This thread, the Blue post said that they would stay tameable was just edited, but the post below it has the old one still quoted :P.
EDIT: I can't spell at all :(
Edited, Jan 15th 2008 3:21pm by Yuppley
This thread, the Blue post said that they would stay tameable was just edited, but the post below it has the old one still quoted :P.
EDIT: I can't spell at all :(
Edited, Jan 15th 2008 3:21pm by Yuppley
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