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#1 Jan 14 2008 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright so im new to WoW, got bored with guild wars lol. Anyway, ive always loved shapeshifting class types (old school diablo 2 druids) and i am very interested in lvling one all the way up, i have done a lot of research and most of that tells me that druids are viable at just about anything, tanking,dps,healing,nuking. But i have to wonder, are druids the best at anything at higher lvls or is it just mediocrity all the way across the board for druids? Besides the fact that they are great at being versital? And if so, is that really a good enough reason to spend my time lvling one in place of another class?
#2 Jan 14 2008 at 10:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Depending on what you spec for, druids are comparable to anything at higher levels. Hybridity isn't very true or viable at 70, you're either specced for tanking, healing, or DPSing, or you suck at all 3.
#3 Jan 14 2008 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
Druids are the best raiding Off-Tanks. When needed they can tank as well or almost as well as a warrior, and when not needed they can still do decent DPS.

If you are looking at 5 man content, then we are debatably the best tanks (pretty even between classes though).

For PvP - nothing beats a resto druid as a healer.
#4 Jan 15 2008 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent
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thank you for the answers, so i should either spec most of my points into one of the three trees. to lvl i should spec all into feral? and is cat form useful at higher lvls? it seems to me that druids would be good at pvp based on the fact that they can heal/cat(stealth)(damage)/bear(reduction of dmg). for them to be good at non arena pvp like alterac valley and stuff like that should they spec into fury and then for battles like 2v2/5v5 healing? i have a bit of minor knowledge about this because my brother used to play, he quit a long time ago and when i decided to play i just picked up his account, which happens to have a hunter, lvl 60, with tier 2 dragonstalkers or whatever and a 60 shamman with like half a set. I messed around with them for a while but decided it would be best if i just leveled a whole new character up to learn the game.(hunter seemed to be great for pvp, took three versus me and won in alterac valley, with no help(frost trap and wing clip were quite useful).....im pretty good at pvp just from experience with other games, was also able to be number 1 in dmg three or four times out of the 10 or so games i played, the armor probably helped that quite a bit). sorry for long windedness. what im trying to say is; is it smart to start a whole new char or should i just try and learn at lvl 60?
#5 Jan 15 2008 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
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when i get a wall of txt that asks a bunch o questions in quick succession where there isnt too much in there except questions and a huge wall of text i dont feel like answering so try to use punctuation maybe and maybe some returns so that maybe like just maybe we can actually read what you say and then like maybe uh idk answer it without our eyes bleeding or something like that so instead of butchering the english language why dont you take the extra ten seconds to type properly with you know things like punctuation capitilization and not bragging about random crap that nobody cares about

/endrant /endsarcasm

Edited, Jan 15th 2008 12:43am by skribs
#7 Jan 15 2008 at 1:02 AM Rating: Decent
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skribs wrote:
Depending on what you spec for, druids are comparable to anything at higher levels. Hybridity isn't very true or viable at 70, you're either specced for tanking, healing, or DPSing, or you suck at all 3.


In dungeons. I'm balance/resto (half caster damage, half healer) and I've tanked some elite group mobs, such as the dragons for the Skyguard in Blades Edge.

You may not be able to do it as good as someone spec'd for it, but you can still do it moderatly well.
#8 Jan 15 2008 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
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If you dont want to read ignorant badgering, skip to bottom of the page where some actual content pertaining to my first post occurs.


lol, wow. You used absolutely no punctuation in your post and i had no trouble reading that.

1. i was not bragging, did you not notice the disclaimer at the the end of my "bragging". Credit goes to my bro who put the time in to get the gear. If i was a little bit proud of the fact that me, a total noob, was able to top some damage charts, then excuse me.

2. why are you flaming on someone who so obviously has so little experience with the game, all i did was ask for help, if you didnt want to answer my questions then dont, but why do you have to flame someone. The sheer negativity was ridiculous. Seems kind of pointless of you to put forth the effort of replying when you could have just been polite - if you dont have something nice to say dont say anything at all.

3. Thank you for going through the torture of reading my post. I appreciate it. Because it is just sooo horendously hard, i mean the sheer effort you must have put into it amazes me. You must never have attended college where you have to read masses of illegible bulogna.

P.S. How many maybe's can one use before it becomes redundant?


But honestly. Maybe i did not put forward the proper effort to make my post entirely legible, much like this one. I apologize.

Rudeness will be returned with rudeness, maybe i dont know that much about this video game, that does not give you the right to ridicule me.



Okay so. For anyone else out there willing to help, is it stupid of me to decide to level my own character when i have such a time invested commodity in my grasp?




Edited, Jan 15th 2008 4:11am by Lowgo

Edited, Jan 15th 2008 4:12am by Lowgo
#9 Jan 15 2008 at 1:28 AM Rating: Decent
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For PvP - nothing beats a resto druid as a healer.


apart from a holy pala


LOL - pallas are probably the worst stand alone healer - they are very good when together with another - but alone they suck. They are so easy to shut down that even mages can kill them.
#11 Jan 15 2008 at 7:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Just to state something they are "Best" at is single target tanking. Me as a feral bear tank when we get to a boss I am like super glue. Try and take the hate off me.... go ahead try... it won't work. He's stuck to me like superglue. Now multiple mobs are a bit trickier but when it's a solo mob..... It won't leave me.

So we are the Best at single mob tanking. Plain and simple.


Treefitty
#12 Jan 15 2008 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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What druids are best at:

1)Single target tanking- also have best damage mitigation potential.

2)Healing over Time- best for Arena and floating heals in raids.

3)Running away in PvE- I kid you not, we are known for this. put a last minute HoT on yourself, pop into bear form, bash the target, change to travel form and GTFO.....saved many druid asses many many times.

4)Single Target DPS- arguably better than Rogues, I say this because rogue poisons can be dispelled but bleeds effects can't, and if you're feral specced you can do some ridiculous damage with bleed effects.

I'm only lvl 40 with my Druid, but he's already my favorite character to actually play with (read: when I am challenged enough to utilize more than just stealth, pounce and claw....)
#13 Jan 15 2008 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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there are a few situations in which druids are the best, but they are very specalised, generally i would say no, if a druid was the best at one role(mellee dps, tank, caster dps, healer) then it would make one other class completly obselete that can only do this (rogue, warrior, mage, priest), the best thing about a druid is that we can do more than one thing, eg a feral druid can tank or mellee dps very effectivly in the same gear and spec, or a cat druid can take an 8 second break from dps while he heals his party back up to full. the thing a druid is best at is being able to do whatever is needed most
#14 Jan 15 2008 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
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My flaming really had nothing to do with your knowledge of the game, but your ability to present your question in a manner that actually merits an answer. You spent 2/3 of your post talking about how you uber owned some people in PvP. For the record, in college people actually do this thing called WRITING PROPERLY. It's not only expected, it's also mandatory. How do I know? I'm 19 and I'm already senior at my U. If someone is going to sacrifice proper english on notes or for the sake of writing something on the board, they do it concisely and with clear separations and connections between thoughts and ideas. Yours was far from concise, and ideas were scrunched together.
#15 Jan 15 2008 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I was under the impression that druids had the worst damage mitigation without shield blocks and parrying, hence the need for 15-18k hp?
#16 Jan 15 2008 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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i really do not want to fight with you anymore skribs, it was four o clock or so in the morning when i was writing, i apologize for not paying more attention to the legibility of my writing.i just dont understand why you had to be so rude about it? Thank you all for you answers. They most definately helped me decide to just go ahead and level a druid.

Is there an armor Cap?


Is spirit for feral druids worthless or does it have its place?

When i tried to figure out what exactly i was going to spec in i chose feral simply because it seems to be the best choice for lvling. Is that correct?

While looking at the feral talents and what most people placed i saw a lot of people placing points in improved leader of the pack and predatory instincts, both of which seem very weak ?

Is there a better choice in the feral line? or maybe putting them into restoration, mainly the natural tier and omen of clarity, or are those talents worthless?




Edited, Jan 15th 2008 1:07pm by Lowgo
#17 Jan 15 2008 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Katchii wrote:
1)Single target tanking- also have best damage mitigation potential.

Druids are excellent tanks. Druids have the highest armor and generate good threat, but you're vastly underselling warrior. Druids can't push crushing blows off the table iirc, don't have Shield Wall, can't Disarm, don't have Spell Reflect, and take more spell damage in general than a Prot warrior. Single target threat-wise, I'm not sure they can generate more threat per second than a good warrior either.
Katchii wrote:
3)Running away in PvE- I kid you not, we are known for this. put a last minute HoT on yourself, pop into bear form, bash the target, change to travel form and GTFO.....saved many druid asses many many times.

Rogue is better at "running away" in PVE, imo. Not that either class should have a problem. Mages similarly shouldn't have too much trouble getting away (if Frost specced, which is common).
Katchii wrote:
4)Single Target DPS- arguably better than Rogues, I say this because rogue poisons can be dispelled but bleeds effects can't, and if you're feral specced you can do some ridiculous damage with bleed effects.

I'm assuming you're talking PVE. Rogues also use bleed effects, and actually benefit from having a druid lay down Mangle for them. A good Rogue on a boss should have Rupture (bleed) up most if not all of the time, assuming the mob is not immune to it. Also, Rogue can push threat and then Vanish midway through a boss fight ... allowing them to go all out DPS thereafter without worrying about pulling hate. Poisons are nice and all, but it's not where most of a Rogue's damage comes from.

Druid is "good" at everything you've named. Tanking, DPS, healing, as long as you're specced properly, you can do it and do it well. Don't oversell the case though. If what you said was true, Warrior tanks and Rogues would both be out of jobs.
#18 Jan 15 2008 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry to take away for your post but I am hoping my question will follow yours. I am interested in druids but have a few questions.
1.) Are they good tanks?
2.) What can a warrior do that a druid cant?
3.) I have seen druids main tanks for gruuls and other raids, why would someone say that they make better off tanks then main tanks?
4.) I made a pally hoping to make him a tank but, I don’t believe they make a good tank. Is that true?

One think I like about druids after reading the druids 101 is that you can do dps and tank on the same tree. I can’t image another class that can do two different rolls on the same tree with separate gear!

So if I want to tank end game and lvl as fast as I can. Would rolling a druid be a good idea? Or stick with my Pally or roll a warrior?

Thank you for your time.
#19 Jan 15 2008 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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To answer your post about leveling:

Druid are a pain to level till 20. They then get boring to level until the mid 30's. After that, it is the same moves over and over again. Most people consider feral the way to level. While leveling, though, start getting some healing gear. You CAN heal all old world instances as a non specced druid as long as you have some gear with int and maybe some + healing. My biggest pet peeve is shammies / druids / pallies / priests who say that can't heal instances like zf because they aren't specced to heal them.

Now, on a different tangent. I believe druids are the best 5th member to have in a party. A feral druid can: off tank if needed (think bosses with adds), do good dps, cc (although limited, sleep and cyclone can save your ****** battle rez, off heal, aoe both healing and damage (barkskin and our aoe will make most mages love you, you will get the agro, not them, and you will not die). Add to that the buffs we give (MotW, Thorns and especially LotP if you have a lot of physical damage and the ever popular innervate) and we are almost the best swiss pocket tool in an instance.

When you have the chance to go kitty in an instance, though, please try to use all your tools, so that others can see how great we are in flexibility / usefulness. The more we use all our skills, the more we will be wanted in groups as dps.
#20 Jan 15 2008 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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1.) Are they [Druids] good tanks?

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2.) What can a warrior do that a druid cant?

Abilities: Disarm, Last Stand, Shield Wall, and Spell Reflect are the big ones for tanking. Defensive Stance reduces *all* incoming damage by 10% (including spell dmg) and with talents, reduces spell dmg by another 6%. Warriors can also stance dance to avoid fear effects... but this became less important when all priests got Fear Ward.
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3.) I have seen druids main tanks for gruuls and other raids, why would someone say that they make better off tanks then main tanks?

Druids are better at off-tanking than Warrior (and way better than Paladin) because they can still generate high amounts of threat (and a decent amount of damage) without being hit. A Paladin would have a lot of trouble doing this because so much of their threat is reflective damage. Warrior is a good offtank, but doesn't generate as much damage as a Druid does. Paladin is great for tanking random adds in a boss fight, but not so great for being a secondary tank actually on the boss (again, not getting hit for a pally = little threat).

That being said, they "can" main tank most anything ... it's just that for many groups, it's easier to advance with a Warrior main tank due to the abilities I mentioned above.
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4.) I made a pally hoping to make him a tank but, I don’t believe they make a good tank. Is that true?

Until you get into really hardcore raiding, Paladins are a badass tank. Also, Paladins have main tanked nearly everything up to Illidan ... it's just much harder than as a warrior tank. If you're not going to be a hardcore raider, you will have a lot of fun tanking as a pally. If your dream is to down Illidan as a main tank ... maybe better reroll. If your dream is to down Illidan as a Paladin main tank, have at it! Just don't expect it to be easy
#21 Jan 15 2008 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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1.) Are they good tanks?


Yes, they are very good tanks. They can tank just about any heroic or any raid boss.

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2.) What can a warrior do that a druid cant?


Disarm, spell reflect, their shouts. Warriors are generally considered better tanks against spell casters, and those mobs that can be disarmed. They also have the ability to push crushing blows / crits off the mellee charts. To do that, druids would need TONS of dodge.

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3.) I have seen druids main tanks for gruuls and other raids, why would someone say that they make better off tanks then main tanks?


Say you have two tanks. Warrior vs. Druid. Both are excellent tanks, have great gear, etc. Which do you want tanking? Better way to ask this, is which would help better on the dps side?

A prot warrior is almost useless on dps. They just don't have the talents to actually put ANY dps out. A feral druid, though, has to pick up some really good dps talents to be able to also tank. They can, without switching builds, easily just swap some gear, and get above average on the dps charts. This is why we usually off tank. It isn't that we can't tank the stuff, it is just that we are more useful as dps then the other tanks.

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4.) I made a pally hoping to make him a tank but, I don’t believe they make a good tank. Is that true?


I love healing pallie tanks. I also love to dps with them tanking. Pallies shine when they have multiple targets to tank. Once you get geared, you can start using less cc and do a better job tanking. Pallies downfall is usually in the single target, long fights. This is where you can get outpaced if you don't watch your spell rotation / have the gear / have the knowledge to play it. In fact, I would say my priests favorite tank for heroics is a pally tank.

As for which one to take up to tank, all three are great. The only draw back of the other two is that generally people don't level up the tanking trees while leveling. Pallies usually level ret and warriors generally level one of the other two trees, just because it is very slow to level in the tanking trees. That is were the druids are lucky.

darn, you type faster then I do :)

Edited, Jan 15th 2008 1:48pm by mundaneboy

and woot, 50 posts, one star :P

Edited, Jan 15th 2008 1:48pm by mundaneboy
#22 Jan 15 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Great thanx for the fast answers. So to see if I understand it all.

Pro's:
Massive dps while tanking.
Ability to gain rage/threat without getting hit.
Doesn’t bear form have a fear reduction? if so another pro.
can dps and off tank a raid.

Con's
all the stuff a warrior can do.
anything else?

How do druids hold aggro on more than one mob?
What can a druid do that a warrior cant?

I think I am going to roll a druid at least to see how I like playing him. The one thing is my guild doesn’t like pally tanks, They don’t last as long as druids and warriors! We have a druid with don’t quote me 35k armor and like 28k heath buffed I thought that was pretty sick! Guess kinda the reason why I am going to roll one.

One more thing.

Now a druid can main tank/off tank anything, But if there was a warrior and a druid equally geared the warrior would be best main tank and the druid off tank because of the threat generation? Not because a warrior is better?




#23 Jan 15 2008 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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What can a druid do that a warrior cant?


Not all fights require two tanks. A druid can go cat form and wear dps gear for those fights and do impressive damage. A prot warrior can wear dps gear but would lack dps talents, thus doing very low damage compared to the druid. A druid can also innervate their healer and battle rez, given a moment when a boss isn't focusing on them.

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Now a druid can main tank/off tank anything, But if there was a warrior and a druid equally geared the warrior would be best main tank and the druid off tank because of the threat generation? Not because a warrior is better?



As for threat generation with two tanks, it's much better for the druid to be off-tank. Take Gruul for example. Gruul is a fight requiring two tanks on the same target. The one time our raid leader was stupid and made the prot warrior off-tank, all of our dps members had to throttle their damage in order to stay under the warrior's threat, which was very low because of rage generation. Gruul being a dps race means that we wiped... a lot.

Switching tanks so the druid was off-tanking would have been best. As a healer for both tanks, I can safely say it's not because the warrior was a better main tank. In fact, the warrior was harder to heal than the druid. It was just a matter of threat generation.

Does that make sense?



Edited, Jan 15th 2008 4:00pm by Lukoi
#24 Jan 15 2008 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
ncdiablo wrote:
Just to state something they are "Best" at is single target tanking. Me as a feral bear tank when we get to a boss I am like super glue. Try and take the hate off me.... go ahead try... it won't work. He's stuck to me like superglue. Now multiple mobs are a bit trickier but when it's a solo mob..... It won't leave me.

So we are the Best at single mob tanking. Plain and simple.


Treefitty


Lies. As a druid, I am better at multimob tanking than my warrior, by far. But single target? Not even close. Hate isn't the issue. It's mitigation, and warrior trumps druid there.
#25 Jan 15 2008 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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They also have the ability to push crushing blows / crits off the mellee charts. To do that, druids would need TONS of dodge.


Lol - you are not wrong there. Crushings are the last thing to be pushed off the combat table. So to be crush "immune" a druid would need 100% dodge.

In fact, once a druid hits 85% dodge, every incoming blow will be a crushing blow as all the normal hits are off the table.

Mind you, a crushing blow hits us for about the same amount as a warrior getting hit with a regular blow anyway due to our greater mitigation.

Druid have better damage MITIGATION. Warriors have better damage AVOIDANCE. People seem to get these mixed up all the time.
#26 Jan 15 2008 at 5:04 PM Rating: Good
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Dodge(druid/warrior) = AVOIDANCE.....?


Shield Block(warrior) = MITIGATION.....?

Edited, Jan 15th 2008 8:06pm by thehatefultyrant
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