I have noticed that a lot of pvp ret pallies have not placed points into both Vindication and Divine Purpose. Are these not good pvp talents? I am especially curious about Divine Purpose as we are resil challenged in regards to gear.
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Divine Purpose is a great talent for pvp and Vindication is worthwhile too. i needed the points in Precision for raiding, so those are the ones i skipped. as far as im concerned, 5/0/56 is max pvp hurtage.
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Awesome Thanks for your reply and continue to be a ret inspiration regardless of those nay sayers. I can not wait for 70 (2 more) and arena's, Thanks again.
is that divine str or int?
ive been wondering if i should respec my Ret (PvP)
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now that i've replaced alot of my completely wrong gear (had only solo tank gear and just gimped through it) with PvP stuff, im finding that my heals are slowing becomeing dated. with the drop in my SD and the growth of my HP pool, heals just dont seem worth the 2.5 sec or the mana to even worry about.
Now that i have a significant amount of Str, would droping SF for Divine Str be worth it?
also im finding that vinication is pretty disapointing and want to drop it to finish off improved might.
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oh, and one last silly question. . . +stam or +agi on boots?
ive been wondering if i should respec my Ret (PvP)
Current Build
now that i've replaced alot of my completely wrong gear (had only solo tank gear and just gimped through it) with PvP stuff, im finding that my heals are slowing becomeing dated. with the drop in my SD and the growth of my HP pool, heals just dont seem worth the 2.5 sec or the mana to even worry about.
Now that i have a significant amount of Str, would droping SF for Divine Str be worth it?
also im finding that vinication is pretty disapointing and want to drop it to finish off improved might.
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oh, and one last silly question. . . +stam or +agi on boots?
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When talking the 5/0/56 build in regards to ret the five is in divine strength since str is our best ally. And as far as I am concerned str/stam first so I would go with the stam.
i say whichever you need more, but it's probably easier to get stam.
and SF is almost a solo or pure holy build talent anymore, but still useful in pvp, because ret doesn't have holy shield/redoubt to thwart physical classes(i.e. rogues). of course, repentance works just as well if you need to heal uninterrupted in a small scale pvp.
and SF is almost a solo or pure holy build talent anymore, but still useful in pvp, because ret doesn't have holy shield/redoubt to thwart physical classes(i.e. rogues). of course, repentance works just as well if you need to heal uninterrupted in a small scale pvp.
i asked about divine str or int is this.
when i OOM. my DPS is absolutely terrible. and i already find that in drawn out battles, i end up looking for a quick way to get killed so i can just res with full stats.
in arena i can see STR over Int. but i BG and some fight are significantly longer.
how much crit would i get from 12 AGI to boots? im not one to prioritize HP over damage when i have so many ways to stay alive. but if 12 agi is worthless for a pally then i have little choice. that was kind of the direction i was headed with the enchant question.
when i OOM. my DPS is absolutely terrible. and i already find that in drawn out battles, i end up looking for a quick way to get killed so i can just res with full stats.
in arena i can see STR over Int. but i BG and some fight are significantly longer.
how much crit would i get from 12 AGI to boots? im not one to prioritize HP over damage when i have so many ways to stay alive. but if 12 agi is worthless for a pally then i have little choice. that was kind of the direction i was headed with the enchant question.
yeah, 70% from SF is not as much as one would think. in a group situation im always CC'd when trying to heal myself. and use my bubble to burst down Locks. i will always LOS to heal if i can. or just go down in a blaze of glory if i cant.
one on one i always use repentance and HoJ to self heal. and if i try to heal with out, im still CC'd most of the time.
so my personally exp says that SF is all but worthless for a Ret Pally.
one on one i always use repentance and HoJ to self heal. and if i try to heal with out, im still CC'd most of the time.
so my personally exp says that SF is all but worthless for a Ret Pally.
The RuenBahamut of Doom wrote:
i asked about divine str or int is this.
when i OOM. my DPS is absolutely terrible. and i already find that in drawn out battles, i end up looking for a quick way to get killed so i can just res with full stats.
in arena i can see STR over Int. but i BG and some fight are significantly longer.
how much crit would i get from 12 AGI to boots? im not one to prioritize HP over damage when i have so many ways to stay alive. but if 12 agi is worthless for a pally then i have little choice. that was kind of the direction i was headed with the enchant question.
when i OOM. my DPS is absolutely terrible. and i already find that in drawn out battles, i end up looking for a quick way to get killed so i can just res with full stats.
in arena i can see STR over Int. but i BG and some fight are significantly longer.
how much crit would i get from 12 AGI to boots? im not one to prioritize HP over damage when i have so many ways to stay alive. but if 12 agi is worthless for a pally then i have little choice. that was kind of the direction i was headed with the enchant question.
i could be wrong, but i beleive i read that its about 30 agility per 1% crit. so 12 agil would be just under .5% crit. not bad, but not better than stam for PVP. PVE i'd definitely get that.
between divine strength and divne intellect, the issue isn't so much which stat you need more of, but rather which talent will be more worthwhile. my ret has (guessing off the top of my head) 400-500 strength and only about 150 intellect. so for 5 talent points would i rather get 50 more strength (100 more AP) or 15 intellect? you'll barely notice 15 int (not even one more CS), but 100 AP will make about difference of about 12 dps taking autoattack, SoC and CS (over a 5 min battle in bg's thats a lot of extra damage. thats a guestimation, and if you want i can check my mental math when i get to my computer.
The RuenBahamut of Doom wrote:
so my personally exp says that SF is all but worthless for a Ret Pally.
AMEN!! haha.
Thanks ToJ, thats the perspective i needed. I'll be getting stam for my boots. the low boost of 12agi + the cost of the enchant is just not worth it for a pally.
and for Divine int. I'll Prolly end up siphoning 2 points out of that for divine purpose.
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Edit: Crap, now i have to re-enchant my gloves. i was a noob and put 26AP instead of 15 Str . .
Edited, Jan 14th 2008 3:06pm by RuenBahamut
and for Divine int. I'll Prolly end up siphoning 2 points out of that for divine purpose.
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Edit: Crap, now i have to re-enchant my gloves. i was a noob and put 26AP instead of 15 Str . .
Edited, Jan 14th 2008 3:06pm by RuenBahamut
DS or DI is a tough call and pretty dependant on personal stats. That being said if any of you are one of those 4k mana pool Ret pallies, ouch. Enough to make you wanna purge the buffs off him and mana burn him then let your healer solo a ret pally.
25 agi = 1% crit at lvl 70. If you are PvE go AGI, if you are Arena go Stam.
Spiritual focus is nice to have when leveling but for PvE or PvP it is wasted points come end game.
Vindication is a mixed bag and the points are usually better spent else where /shrug
If I could only count how many ret pallies have cried when I have cleansed a Repentance off a DPS, or had Bosac up to break it when they cast it on me, or even trinketed out of it and stunned them in their moment of need. Poor lil guys. Almost as bad as when we purge their buffs off them and they suck even more.
25 agi = 1% crit at lvl 70. If you are PvE go AGI, if you are Arena go Stam.
Spiritual focus is nice to have when leveling but for PvE or PvP it is wasted points come end game.
Vindication is a mixed bag and the points are usually better spent else where /shrug
If I could only count how many ret pallies have cried when I have cleansed a Repentance off a DPS, or had Bosac up to break it when they cast it on me, or even trinketed out of it and stunned them in their moment of need. Poor lil guys. Almost as bad as when we purge their buffs off them and they suck even more.
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yeah, well. thats why i only do BGs so i dont have to deal with players that are better then me. ^.-
mana should not be an issue for Ret pallies anymore(if it is stop using Consecrates). we have all the talents to make buffs, seals, judgements cost close to nothing.
in BG, grab a mage table and sit when avail.
in arena, 5v5 is the only mana intensive battle, BoW.
in pve, keep some pots like every other caster.
DS is now > DI by a long shot(DI will get you 400 extra mana tops, see above)
stats? for pvp be on the lookout for +resil if you have over 10k hp. otherwise keep stacking that +str.
in BG, grab a mage table and sit when avail.
in arena, 5v5 is the only mana intensive battle, BoW.
in pve, keep some pots like every other caster.
DS is now > DI by a long shot(DI will get you 400 extra mana tops, see above)
stats? for pvp be on the lookout for +resil if you have over 10k hp. otherwise keep stacking that +str.
bodhisattva wrote:
25 agi = 1% crit at lvl 70.
yeah, i was close. same basic thing i said though.
bodhisattva wrote:
If I could only count how many ret pallies have cried when I have cleansed a Repentance off a DPS, or had Bosac up to break it when they cast it on me, or even trinketed out of it and stunned them in their moment of need. Poor lil guys.
haha, yeah, if they're using it thinking they'll have someone our of the fight in PVP for 6 seconds, I pity them. I honestly don't use it much in PVP except to stop a heal or other longish spell, and if it happens to take them out for 6 seconds then great, 6 seconds theres no heals coming. Very rarely happens do I don't rely on it for that. Same thing in PVE, it's a second way i can stop a mob from casting that heal or fireball or whatever the case may be. May not be as good an "interrupt" as other classes' (wish it stopped all spells in that school for a couple secs... oh well) but when timed right it's still 2 "interrupts" to spells to help my group. If they cry about it, they need to take another look at the usefulness of their spells.
and yeah, i second what tommyguns said about mana. If you go oom fast as ret, you probably need to use rank 1 cons instead of max. There's no good reason to never have mana except maybe it got burned off.
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haha, yeah, if they're using it thinking they'll have someone our of the fight in PVP for 6 seconds, I pity them.
a favorite of mine in AV is at IBGY. see a Horde rider coming, Repent and JoJ. gl getting to SP with that on you.
then there is WSG. from the start: run to the ramp hut, stun 1, repent 2, JoJ a 3rd, BoF yourself and run the rest of the crew into their own GY hut /bubbledance til the cap. die and repeat.
AB: be the 1st to BS, ride through the node, stun 1 and repent 2, fight the 3rd. BS now capped by your teammate.
i only have rank 1 consicrate on my bar(Rank 6 is on a side bar, im not a clicker so it actually takes effert to use it, put it there for that reason). i dont have a problem per say running out of mana. its just i notice when i do, which is rarely. i guess its only really a problem in AV, either when im defending a bottle neck, causing a long drawn out fight. or when i somehow get the attention of a healer and i get to play wrecking ball. the mana from the heals isnt really enough if the fight is long and drawn.
but you guys are right, i would get far more out of DS over DI. so ill give it a try. i prolly wont even notice the change in my mana.
can you elaborate on that? it sounds really fun, but im not quite grasping the whole process. it also doesnt help that i dont exactly know the terms for the who and where for WSG. also, im Horde, that also adds to my confusion as its a different perspective.
but you guys are right, i would get far more out of DS over DI. so ill give it a try. i prolly wont even notice the change in my mana.
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then there is WSG. from the start: run to the ramp hut, stun 1, repent 2, JoJ a 3rd, BoF yourself and run the rest of the crew into their own GY hut /bubbledance til the cap. die and repeat.
can you elaborate on that? it sounds really fun, but im not quite grasping the whole process. it also doesnt help that i dont exactly know the terms for the who and where for WSG. also, im Horde, that also adds to my confusion as its a different perspective.
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