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#1 Jan 12 2008 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
First off.A link to my Armory


So I have been doing some arena with my brother. Very Little, but I want to get some raiding done. I have been wondering, without needing a full gear overhaul, What is the perfect raiding build?

And with that perfect raiding build, what type of gear is needed to max out my performance?





#2 Jan 12 2008 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
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hehe my hordes are on firetree.
#3 Jan 12 2008 at 10:41 PM Rating: Decent
First off, there really is no "perfect" spec. It varies by person.

But beyond that, if you are focusing on arena, get rid of the "Improved Voidwalker" crap. Put the points into Imp HS and top off that demonic aegis. You should be using you HS's more effeciently for more health than the VW shield protects you for.

Beyond that, you may want to experiment with full affliction if you are raiding, because it is more effective in raiding for lacking gear.


Edited, Jan 13th 2008 1:42am by Garluneg
#5 Jan 13 2008 at 3:38 AM Rating: Decent
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IzzTwizz wrote:
First off.A link to my Armory


So I have been doing some arena with my brother. Very Little, but I want to get some raiding done. I have been wondering, without needing a full gear overhaul, What is the perfect raiding build?

And with that perfect raiding build, what type of gear is needed to max out my performance?


Nothing is generally perfect - try and see what suits you.

For me 30/21/10 is perfect right now because I can solo all I want and still contribute in groups/raid.

Imo and no offense, but seeing not only your gear but your rep I would say you should run many more 5 mans and then heroics not only to gear up but to practice your group role and your playstyle.
Then you will get the feeling for what spec suits you.


#6 Jan 13 2008 at 6:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Your best raid build changes as you get better gear, and as you get better at understanding how the specific raid works.

A good starting build is a variant of affliction.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMrVRfkVtcoobZxx0xM
This one's my idea of a 41/3/17. Everything I could do to increase my worth to other people. Shadow priests love it, and it stacks excellently with other warlocks. It's a lot of spells, but still a simple rotation for bosses; even more so for trash.
It also has the solo PvE viability in the ability to drain tank. For PvP, however, it's entirely useless.

But at around T5 you might find Demo as better. And then at the top of the top, Destro is the best DPS build of all.
#7 Jan 13 2008 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Ehcks wrote:
And then at the top of the top, Destro is the best DPS build of all.


Wait till Oaken catch you on that one :p

Geez I am happy none argues with my build anymore.
Prolly because none uses it :)



#9 Jan 13 2008 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
i'd suggest picking up another profession xD
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#11 Jan 13 2008 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Just because I'm bored..

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0000000000000000000002150030133200100000000505000512200510531050
This is supposedly the highest DPS build for a T6-and-equivalent warlock.
Sacrifice Demon is used on the succubus.

There's a couple points that you can switch between healthstone and imp, depending on what the other warlocks use. If you have three locks, and they all have different ranks in IHS, being able to carry all three forms of Master Healthstone with you makes it much easier on the raid.

Edited because I posted the wrong link

Edited, Jan 13th 2008 5:16pm by Ehcks
#12 Jan 13 2008 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Ehcks wrote:
Just because I'm bored..

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0000000000000000000002150030133200100000000505000512200510531050
This is supposedly the highest DPS build for a T6-and-equivalent warlock.
Sacrifice Demon is used on the succubus.


I dont think I would put so much in +fire and then sac succy, but then I am not in T6 content.



#13 Jan 13 2008 at 6:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Emberstorm is there for Immolate, and because there's not much else useful to put points in and still make it to Shadow and Flame.

In terms of raids: Cataclysm is weak. Aftermath is near useless. Improved pet attacks are completely useless. Searing pain is bad. Nether Protection is iffy, for the few battles where you'll be taking multiple shadow/fire hits (Void Reaver?). Soul leech is the only always-useful one there.

I'm actually wondering now why soul leech isn't in there.

Whenever I get around to respeccing destro I'll probably take it anyway.
#14 Jan 13 2008 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
Thanks for all the input. I have just gotten keyed, and was worried about raid wise dps.

I will be trying the This Build

#15 Jan 13 2008 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Sethy wrote:
Ehcks wrote:
Just because I'm bored..

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0000000000000000000002150030133200100000000505000512200510531050
This is supposedly the highest DPS build for a T6-and-equivalent warlock.
Sacrifice Demon is used on the succubus.


I dont think I would put so much in +fire and then sac succy, but then I am not in T6 content.





First of all, I <3 30/21/10.

Second, I usually run with This Build, but I'm pretty much anti-dot, ask Jen!

However, that being said, if I was the OP I would stick with this build, as I believe (Jen will correct me if I'm wrong) that casting Immolate in your case will increase your dps.
#16 Jan 13 2008 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Serious note: it varies by gear. I mean, 600 spell damage, 11% crit, 40 spell hit? You can't really recommend a T5 0/21/40 spec to someone with pre-kara level gear.



But dude get your tailoring maxed out, or at least farm heroics and get some PVE gear for kara. You'll want to go with an affliction build until you have at least ~T5 level type gear, which is a long ways off. And running around 0/21/40 on a PVP server is just asking to get raped (Jen knows exact numbers but roughly 1000 spell damage/25% talented crit and some haste through gear?). You won't see those kind of numbers until ~SSC/TK.


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Thanks for all the input. I have just gotten keyed, and was worried about raid wise dps.

I will be trying the This Build


I'd recommend against that for many reasons. You need to work on your spell hit (cap is 202) and spell damage. EZ-mode way right now is gladiator war staff (25 hit), revered scryers trinket (32), spellstrike hood + pants + helm inscription (64). Its not capped, but those are some pretty easy pieces. You clearly have to do alot of farming for gold and you probably want more PVP upgrades, 0/21/40 is bad for both. And to top it off, its not even the best dps at your current gear level.

Go something like 43/7/11 for general purpose PVP, farming and pretty darn solid raid dps.

Your gems are pretty all over the place. Try to make a PVP set (resil, dmg, stam) and a PVE set (hit, dmg).

Edited, Jan 14th 2008 1:38am by mikelolol
#17 Jan 14 2008 at 4:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm actually wondering now why soul leech isn't in there.


Yeah that was my point too.
Because with Imp Immo, Emberstorm and Conflagrate it seems a lot of points spent on just one DoT, like I said I am not in endgame content but 11 pts to improve Immolate only?

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First of all, I <3 30/21/10


It is such very viable build for anything, and even without very good gear it shines in longer fights.
Besides I dont "get raped" as Mike said, by any add I might get if I want to farm/solo.

I tried 0/21/40 with much better stats than OP, and though it was just for fun I didnt like it on longer run. I felt fragile and incapable and I didnt do much better dps overall really.


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You clearly have to do alot of farming


Not only for gold I would say but for rep and drops too. God it took me exalted LC to get the sword from Murmur, how many SL runs is that? And its not even the good sword compared with what you can get now with little PvPing.

Anyway, if you have a guild that can afford to drag you through Kara with your current stats, it doesnt matter at all how you spec.
If you want to contribute and do something for the raid, then you have some way to go before you enter any.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I am a little bit tired of people that dinged 70 yesterday and are asking about spot in next raid.
We entered Kara exactly 4 times, just one person being there before. We only killed Curator and almost Prince, but we are still totally learning the fights.
We spent lot of gold on consumables and my resist gear.

Every person in my guild that joined those runs has at least 30% more stats for their class than you have compared. We are practicing on heroics runs all the time. Most of them are exalted with at least 1 faction that actually matter, others are still working hard on rep. They all have 2 useful professions maxed and we are still working on getting some patterns that could benefit us all.

I know that the *hardcore raiders* would find it funny to make big deal about some Kara, but when you start from a scratch it can be a big thing for unexperienced guild. If any of my guildies would expect raiding spot with your current gear/rep/profs I would feel offended.
The build matters the least imo.





Edited, Jan 14th 2008 8:22am by Sethy
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