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#1 Jan 12 2008 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
Hey, so last night was my first time ever trying a heroic instance. It was heroic mech. First pull we had to run out, second attempt at first pull we ran out, third attempt... ran out. So we switched to normal mech. Any way the problem was that I was spamming my healing spell on the tank, but he was taking so much damage that it was really hard to keep him up. Is this my fault? Here is my armory and here is the tanks

I don't know if I am undergeared with the stats that I have. I am at 1505 +healing unbuffed with about 20ish crit. I have never done a heroic before and this sucked. Any input?
#2 Jan 12 2008 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
Tanks fault.

His spec is silly and he is crittable. Thats a big no no in heroics. He doesn't even have decent gear decisions. Arena gear is NOT tanking gear.

I really hope the gear in is armory isn't his tanking gear. He as an attack power trinket (trash) and a dps belt (trash).

From the looks of it, you a victim of the lowerd requirements of heroics. He very much undergears it.
#3 Jan 12 2008 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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Well, his spec isn't "complete" trash, but not taking Sacred Duty = fail right there. I also sincerely hope that's not his tank set he's wearing in the armory profile cause there is way more wrong with it then I care to point out. He's 51 Defense away from uncrittable, which as stated, is a BIG no no.

No fault of yours it looks like, but a really crappy tank.
#4 Jan 12 2008 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
That is what he used for tanking. Phew. I though it was my fault. He was dropping about 4k a hit some times and when those mobs do the aoe thing, I couldn't keep the melee up unless I wanted to stop spam healing the tank in which case he would die.
#5 Jan 12 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
Maulgak wrote:
Well, his spec isn't "complete" trash, but not taking Sacred Duty = fail right there. I also sincerely hope that's not his tank set he's wearing in the armory profile cause there is way more wrong with it then I care to point out. He's 51 Defense away from uncrittable, which as stated, is a BIG no no.

No fault of yours it looks like, but a really crappy tank.


Never said the spec was complete trash.. but silly. I mean he didn't even put all 5 points in deflection.

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I mean come on, hes missing 6% stam and 1% parry because he wants reckoning? I bet it still procs a lot for him since his dodge is so so low. Its still a waste at 70.

Edited, Jan 12th 2008 12:10pm by ramera
#6 Jan 12 2008 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good


There is no way you can heal thru that. The fact that he was taking crits was only compounded by the fact that his avoidance was soooo low. Hes wearing a healing shield...
#7 Jan 12 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
He doesn't even have 490 defense. Ohhhhh I see why now. Click his rep tab! Its not his fault! Its blizzard! He's one of those retards that go 'well blizzard said I can do heroics the moment I hit honored, so I must be ready for heroics!' I called that when the change was released. I said that with idiots being able to go to heroics with just honored rep, you'd have people going WELL before they were supposed to go.

A tip to you. If you get invited to a pug, armory everyone before you go. Check to make sure that people aren't stupid specs wearing terrible gear (AND GEMS! CHECK GEMS! If they use vendor gems, don't party with them! Especially since AH green gems are typically cheaper AND better). If you don't feel confident in them, bounce. I once was invited to a pug (back in my SSC days) and the tank was half fury half arms (0 in prot) whose tanking gear was terrible, and had to tank without a shield because the only shield he had was level 40. I nearly disbanded on the spot, but I (big surprise) decided to stay in the group and point out each of his wrong-doings. Well we couldn't get past the second pull of Heroic OHB. "Oh I didn't realize that it was going to be this hard!"

Now that I've assaulted the tank, and pugs in general, now its time for me to turn my blade to you! Where's the head enchant? You should have taken care of that rep before you set foot in a raid; are you planning on having a T4 helm unenchanted? ZOMG you're one of those "lets do heroics at honored" people too! You need a replacement for your light channeler ASAP. Blues nearly 10 levels out of date? Vengeance of the Illidari would have been a better choice if you insist on using low 60 items. Where's the vitality to boots? Where's the chest enchant? Yes those items are plenty good enough to enchant. Oh and at your level, 6mp5 to bracer is probably going to do you more good than 30 healing. Don't try to push +healing. Get a better balance of crit and mp5 and the healing will come as you gear up. Stay away from healing gear with spirit on it (ie. your neck). Spirit is completely useless to a paladin. Heck spirit in small quantities is useless to any healing class (priest only gets good when you stack hundreds). Get PvPing and get the healing neck that has heal and mp5. Its actually better than the badge one when its gemmed with a royal nightseye. And what's with the imp seal of crusader? Trying to help out lolsmite priests while you heal?
#8 Jan 12 2008 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
Mmmkay... someone needs to lay off the coffee a little bit. I actually respecced last night for testing this spec. I found myself in kara to be judging seal of light a lot, but we do not have many melee ever in kara so it wasn't really working too well except for tanks and wanding. So for kara, which is all I do basically, the casters do not get hit at all. My guild has it on farm status so I was like, "why not give my raid +3% crit?" So I respecced last night, and I am going to try it tonight in kara to see if people like it. Yes, I know 3% is almost negligible, but who knows.

As for why I don't have enchants, or the healing thing on my helm, I don't really have all that much time to play, I am a college student. Nor do I have the money to go get enchants. I will get the enchants you say. And I want to, and it is on my list, but it's hard to farm as a holy pally.

The neck that I have happened to be better than my previous one. Quite frankly we are doing well in kara and we clear it with no wipes, so I feel that I am on the right track. As for later instances, I'll see what happens when I have time. I never said I was geared well, but I thought I was ok for healing heroics.
#9 Jan 12 2008 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
Folanthas wrote:
Mmmkay... someone needs to lay off the coffee a little bit. I actually respecced last night for testing this spec. I found myself in kara to be judging seal of light a lot, but we do not have many melee ever in kara so it wasn't really working too well except for tanks and wanding. So for kara, which is all I do basically, the casters do not get hit at all. My guild has it on farm status so I was like, "why not give my raid +3% crit?" So I respecced last night, and I am going to try it tonight in kara to see if people like it. Yes, I know 3% is almost negligible, but who knows.


I don't drink coffee, I just combined all my stuff into one paragraph, for if I hadn't my post would have taken up an entire screen. Yes adding that to crusader is a nifty gimmick that Blizzard added in, and it could potentially be beneficial to a raid, except for two drawbacks:

First off, mana use. As cool as it is to judge things, unless you're sitting there meleeing the boss (refreshing the judgement) then continually sealing and judging puts a real strain on your mana. You might be able to afford it in kara, but you won't be able to use it much after. I honestly don't even think you can afford to spare the mana for a kara fight like illhoof (especially with your mp5).

The second drawback is the fact that to judge you have to be close to the boss. Many boss fights not only is that ill-advised, it will downright get you killed. Prince is a prime example of fights that you want to be at max range, but there are many more beyond that. Simply put, its not worth it for a holy paladin, without the assistance of a ret pally, to use judgments in a raid 99% of the time. And with the 25-man raid setup, you really won't see ret paladins.

However if you feel that you know more about your stuff than I do, then I won't waste my time beyond this trying to help.
#10 Jan 12 2008 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
No, I really do appreciate what you are writing, and those two draw backs I really didn't forsee. I know I can't do it on maiden, I can't do it on illhoof, it's risky to do it on shade, prince is a total no go. Basically just Autumen and Netherspite I can see it working on. I'll go respec now back to my old spec which was working quite nicely. I'll go farm some thrallmar rep as well =D
#11 Jan 13 2008 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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You should have no problem doing heroic mech, I can do it with only +1200 healing with no problem, so it was the tanks fault.
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