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#1 Jan 11 2008 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
LOL @ the guys in my guild who were screaming over vent not to dot curator until he was at evocation. No wonder they kept wiping.... :)
#2 Jan 11 2008 at 11:56 PM Rating: Decent
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And the point is...?
#4 Jan 12 2008 at 6:43 AM Rating: Default
No point really, just made my day hearing all our "uber raiders" yelling over vent about it and not wanting to listen when I tried to offer advice. You would think people would do some research on a fight if they have never been before.
#5 Jan 14 2008 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, curator is serious business. There's no reason you can't dot him up. It's not like you'll pull hate with dots anyways (and if you do, you need a new tank/guild)
#6 Jan 31 2008 at 2:18 AM Rating: Default
Erm I think they were actually right m8. The thing is you have to put a an amplified CoD one minute before his evocation so it will detonate throught it and you will gain 300 percent ( i think thats the number while he is in evocations but not sure I done him long time ago ) dmg increase. Other than that I found best way to deal with the fight to focus on adds. They can spawn quite quickly if you dont have good dps to burn em donw and you whipe. THEREFORE as a lock i was not wasitng time to put the dots on Cura which does only small amount of dmg to him and dps the ads. Shadow botl followed with searing pain or Shadow burn did it. During evocation you just nuke him with shadow bolts followed with Shadowburn at the end. Cura is gear check for most guilds and if you cant put up decent dmg on ads in certain time you fail. THEREFORE you nerf the dmg on ads if you put dots on Cura while you were supposed to dmg the ads to burn em down. Got it? I know that our guild famrs Kara now easily and therefore they use different tactics for Cura becasue they can simply outdmg the ads so they dmg Cura also while is out of evocation. But i am not sure if it is the same with your guild
#7 Jan 31 2008 at 2:22 AM Rating: Default
And do add last tghing i was Affliction build while doing Cura so dont think i was Destro. Ads are problem on Cura so get them down fast. You should be fine when you just nuke him on Evocation. BTW i think we used one Rogue to DPS Cura for whole fight i think.
#8 Jan 31 2008 at 2:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Considering Kara is PUG territory by this point in time, I'd say your DoTs should be the least of their concerns if they were wiping on Curator.
#9 Jan 31 2008 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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We never wiped on him yet. Last time there was even premature pull, someone didnt pay attention how close he got, and we still did fine.
I only had little problem with trigger happy pyro mage who for some reason unloaded everything on Curator instead of adds and almost wiped himself on bolts.

I have 270 AR and 15k hp gear and I keep steady second place on aggro list without any problem. Others deal with adds, I keep my aggro and hp up and everything goes fine.
Easiest fight in Kara imo.

#10 Jan 31 2008 at 3:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Heh, I remember us downing him after I DCd while tanking him. This was a long time ago, probably 6-7 months, but it was great. I lost my connection when he was at like, 30%. I came back to a downed Curator. They got lucky though, my character apparently finally disappeared only 10 seconds or so after he went down.
#11 Jan 31 2008 at 5:03 AM Rating: Good
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lol, you are lucky. We once had our tank DC at about 20% and when he enraged at 15% he basically just went and one-shotted everyone - Fury warriors (OT) go down just as fast as mages on bosses it seems :P

Anyway - as far as Flares go: Just decide who will be DPSing flares and who curator. If they insist on everyone dpsing flares just spam Searing Pain as most of the time by the time you have cast an SB the flare is dead. Also, I can imagine there is nothing more awesome than hitting a 40k + Amped CoD during Evocation (dunno if this is possible but have hit 28k without the 50% bonus - is the 50% bon us before or after +damage?).
#12 Jan 31 2008 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Erm I think they were actually right m8. The thing is you have to put a an amplified CoD one minute before his evocation so it will detonate throught it and you will gain 300 percent ( i think thats the number while he is in evocations but not sure I done him long time ago ) dmg increase. Other than that I found best way to deal with the fight to focus on adds. They can spawn quite quickly if you dont have good dps to burn em donw and you whipe. THEREFORE as a lock i was not wasitng time to put the dots on Cura which does only small amount of dmg to him and dps the ads. Shadow botl followed with searing pain or Shadow burn did it. During evocation you just nuke him with shadow bolts followed with Shadowburn at the end. Cura is gear check for most guilds and if you cant put up decent dmg on ads in certain time you fail. THEREFORE you nerf the dmg on ads if you put dots on Cura while you were supposed to dmg the ads to burn em down. Got it? I know that our guild famrs Kara now easily and therefore they use different tactics for Cura becasue they can simply outdmg the ads so they dmg Cura also while is out of evocation. But i am not sure if it is the same with your guild


First thing, the word whipe really annoys me, I mean most "internet shorthand" doesn't really get to me, but this one does. The thing is, I can't really tell what word your putting an extra letter into whip or wipe.

Seriously though, most guides I read about Curator, and the tactic my guild used when downing him, was to have the Warlock keep hin DoTed. We generally don't have great burst DPS, usually, if I was casting a SB, by the time it was getting off, the thing died, if the SB hit, it only did like 1/2 the damage it could have because the thing was so close to dead. If I Searing Pain, well, that's just not good damage for someone wearing FSW, and Shadow Burn, sorry, not part of my raiding build ATM, maybe once I get the +crit for Destro it will be, but from what I've heard, it really shouldn't be used in a raid.

So let's see, I can sit there and DoT adds, where DoTs don't run thier full course. I can sit there and Shadow Bolt adds, where I'm pretty much wasting mana, or I can DoT Curator, so when he does Evocate, my DoTs are still ticking and cause a crapload of damage, not to mention, at least someone's causing some damage to him in between.
#13 Jan 31 2008 at 8:00 AM Rating: Default
There should be a special rate down button, just for bumping topics dead more than 10 days.
#14 Jan 31 2008 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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trigger happy pyro mage


Unless its a single instant pyro every 3 mins (AP/PoM/Pyro) I hope you're mages don't actually use that spell in a raid. 5x scorch to stack the debuff, then fall into the rotation of 8x fireball, 1x scorch. You can probably get 2 extra fireballs in when you pop icy veins, sometimes more if shaman pops bloodlust. Pyroblast is a terrible dps spell.
#15 Jan 31 2008 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually, I dont know, Mike. I used pyro as expression.

Our MT was switching to his mage and I was having private girl talk with our healer, just suddenly I got "combat" flashing on my screen.
Pally tank took over really fast and I clicked change gear and ran to my place dotting Curator on the run, then I noticed that particular mage was taking over the Omen.
Think I yelled something like "back off him, take the adds" but he still ate first bolt and went pretty low. Then I got aggro back and everything was smooth after.

Guess it was just moment of panic. As far as I noticed mages dont think much but shoot at whatever when they are not sure what to do :p



#16 Jan 31 2008 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Bolts themselves can't kill anyone, though getting aggro from an add right after can. After the first couple times of downing him, it's better to just ignore the bolt tanking and let people do whatever - whoever has DoT's throws them on him between adds.
#17 Jan 31 2008 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Man, I didn't even notice the massive thread necro. Well played, sir.

Edited, Jan 31st 2008 5:35pm by FletusSanguine
#18 Feb 04 2008 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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I have a question on this topic. When curator evocate's, do your existing dots do more damage, or would you have to reapply them. Also if you apply dots at the end of the evocate, do they continue to do more damage? I would assume intuitively that this isn't the case, but I've never fought curator with my lock.
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#19 Feb 04 2008 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
Direct damage is determined when the spell is cast (i.e. no matter how far away you are, you can't Shadowbolt >>> Curse of Shadows and get the 10% benefit).


DoT damage is determined at each tick of the DoT. i.e. The tick just before evocate will be for normal damage, the first tick in will be for enhanced damage. Curse of Doom, incidentally, is a DoT.
#20 Feb 05 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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DoT damage is determined at each tick of the DoT.

To expand on what you're saying, the debuffs/buffs on a mob take effect per tick. The +dmg that's applied to spells is taken at the moment of casting, as are any buffs on yourself that increase damage done (Power Infusion), so changes in those will not make a DoT tick for more.
#21 Feb 10 2008 at 12:46 AM Rating: Decent
When i'm not taking the hateful bolts, i'm usually throwing corruption on curator, so i get to proc some instant shadow bolt to burst damage the adds.
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