Hunters pullingFollow

At 70, hunters can pull with misdirected shots targeted on you. This allows you to build fast hate on the main dps target (aimed/arcane/whatever) or some hate on a few targets through multishot.

This allows you a couple seconds to build rage before having to spam for threat while your dps don't have to hold back quite as long.

I use then when I take my hunter into Kara to pull the voids in Curator's room. Misdirect the MT, shoot and then run like hell.

I play both hunter and warrior at 70, so I should be on track here.

As has already been said, MD pulls are the shiet at bossfights (trash is meh... you won't likely loose aggro anyway).


Pre-70 (and even to a lesser extent, at 70) hunters were the pullers because of Feign Death. If you made a bad pull, you could just reset and nothing would happen. The question I always ask about this, however, is: Why on earth would I make a bad pull?

also, hunters can pull with an instant arcane shot, while warriors have to wait for the range weapon to load up.

the only time it really makes a difference is when trying to pull a pat while he's right in between two groups.

If a hunter is pulling pre-70, have him pull with arcane shot rank 1. Then, pop bloodrage (you should be using it all the time, anyway) and demo shout. Demo shout has a wider radius and affects unlimited enemies. Then just whack/taunt the target the hunter pulled if he still is on the hunter.

If you are pulling, I recommend throwing weapons. 0.5 second cast time, vs. a 1.5 second cast on bows/guns/xbows. Not only can hunters time shots better (and sync with traps) they also can jump-shot, so in places where the warrior would be out of LOS the hunter may be able to. And unless the hunter pulls with non-MD multi-shot, you should be able to get aggro fairly easily.

And when you say "why would I make a bad pull?" That's assuming you won't make mistakes. I have a friend who's the best paladin in his guild who made an alt pally to level with my alt warrior, and he went OOM within 5 seconds of a fight starting, because he hit LOH instead of FoL. Some of the stupidest mistakes can be made by some of the most experienced players.

However, on my warrior I generally prefer to pull. Pulling is what I'm best at, and it IS easier on me. But there are some pulls where I'll say "hunters up!" On my hunter, there are some pulls that the tank wants me to do, even if he does the rest himself.

Edited, Jan 12th 2008 11:22am by skribs

I could see this maybe glitching before, but as for doing this on a regular basis..no. They can't be killed by taking their HP out. They die when they go OOM, which you accomplish because their mana shield causes you to damage their mana instead of their health. Our hunters used to always pull them with MD for us as well..they commonly dropped to 1%, but not below that. You CAN'T kill them in that fashion. I call *********

Lorimath - I love Thunderclap too. I guess I just usually like to build rage and get a sunder on the primary target first, then spam Thunderclap. The TC is usually my signal to the rest of the group to unload on the primary target. Then, I'll use Bloodrage when needed.

If I have to start a fight with Bloodrage, I can't use it again until the CD is done. That's all I meant.

And thanks to everyone else for the info.

Feign Death does more than reset a bad pull, which is good, but it also avoids wipes, which is huge.

Using Ramparts as an example, when we first enter and clear the two guys on our side of the bridge, I'll pull the next 3-4 sets of mobs full across the bridge where the party is waiting. If I accidentally pull the PAT, I FD and start over (or if FD is resisted, I'm the only death).

The trick for me is to get the rest of the party to stay on the other side of the bridge. There's always someone too anxious to wait and they come over with me, or send in their pet, or whatever before the mobs are across, this ineveitably pulls the PAT which causes either a wipe or a very close run thing.

There's a great article (and how-to manual) on the hunter pull.

Anyway, I think hunters should do most of the pulling. Unfortunately, there's more than a few huntards who give us a bad rep and make most PUGs distrustful of our skills.

As a hunter I have to say that in 5mans we rarely pull outside of the bosses. Because if the pull is so bad that we need to freign death then we also need to trap. Doing both at the same time is a recipie for disaster. And after while of doing instances you realize that the mobs are pretty well setup to be obvious pulls without hidden mobs and with obvious pats.

Now in raids the Hunter always pulls, unless its old hat for your raid (SSC those platforms before Lurker come to mind) but like TK a hunter is essential for mob placement. Hunters also important with any boss that has an agro dump, like Leo and that undead dragon(forget the name) in kara.

On the Bloodrage thing, I've been using it for most pulls to be able to hit Shield Slam or Devastate as soon as the mob reaches me. I only use TC if we aren't using CC or if I warn the party ahead of time to CC after they see my TC go off.

I try to be flexible and can usually tank pulls whether I initially pulled them or not. I don't want to be a tank who has to follow a set formula on every pull and would rather be able to work comfortably with any group make up and adapt to working with less skilled players when necessary.

If you use Thunderclap at the beginning of the fight, you should instantly have 4 mobs pounding on you, which should give you enough rage for Devastate / Sunder before you can even blink.

I'm still wrestling with the issue of trying to handle multi-mob pulls myself. if it's not one thing it's the other. Usually it's the Mage or Hunter trapping/sheeping the mob right on top of me so that when I thunderclap it breaks the CC. Who's the one responsible for this? Am I supposed to tab-around getting aggro on the targets here so I can pull back and have everything follow me? Or is the mage/hunter responsible for not CC'ing it right on top of me?

You can see the Hunter trap before the pull so avoiding it is relatively easy. The Hunter should be placing their trap off to one side leaving you room to tank the rest elsewhere.

It's a bit harder with the sheep which tend to wander even when they are sheeped away from the group. I will try to pull my mobs away from the sheeped mob(s) while throwing a few devastates on the mobs I am keeping hold of before concentrating on the main (skull) target. Demo shout is a safe though relatively minor AOE threat that you can throw out as well. Even if I'm tanking one mob, I try to pull it away from the sheep so I don't accidently hit the sheep when my mob goes down. I am learning to work around sheep and traps and can usually handle two mobs of my own without resorting to TC or Cleave.

While it can be said that it is the CCer's responsibility to keep their targets out of the way and under control, I try to adapt to the situation and make an effort not to break CC while tanking other mobs. If working around the CC mobs seems to be working okay and the group is moving along successfully then I feel that I'm doing my job. If it is really hindering my tanking, I will speak to the group to see what can be done to make it easier for the CCer to keep their mob(s) separate from the tanked mobs (I tell them I'm not an experienced tank and am still learning and usually people will try to be more helpful to me.) :)