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#1 Jan 10 2008 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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The ability to use prowl is the real reason I can't stop playing druid! It's just so bloody useful!

Aside from being able to walk past a pile of trash mobs to quickly get to and kill the boss, stealth is a great OMG-I-have-to-leave-the-computer-now! button.

I was gathering stingers in the Slithering scar in Ungoro Crater when the Fedex guy showed up. I smacked the prowl button as I jumped up and ran to the door (I was scared he'd leave and I really need this parcel out today).

There were a couple hang ups with the pick up and it took me about 10 minutes to get back to the computer. And there was my kitty, unharmed and intact, sitting serenely in the middle of a crowd of wandering mobs, patiently waiting for me to get back. Sure, if one had walked over him, he'd have been discovered and killed but (oddly enough) it's never happened.

So, in addition to stealthing like a rogue (and stealth-walking even faster than a rogue), we also have the non rogue ability to tank multiple mobs. Plus we can heal!

Frankly, I can't understand why more people don't play druids!
#2 Jan 10 2008 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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I totally agree. Druid is limited in some ways and I sometimes want to play another class, but everytime this is what brings me back.



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#3 Jan 10 2008 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Frankly, I can't understand why more people don't play druids!


there was a time when you'd see a metric ton of druids around. and a lot of em were noobs (the bad variety).

do you want that all over again? :)
#4 Jan 10 2008 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
Wait until you get to 68 and can fly. Even better than sitting stealthed (barring certain areas where there are big mean dragons flying around ._.; )
#5 Jan 10 2008 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Norellicus wrote:
Wait until you get to 68 and can fly. Even better than sitting stealthed (barring certain areas where there are big mean dragons flying around ._.; )


My main is 70 ;D Understandable comment though, as I didn't mention I was leveling one of my druid alts in the above post.

.. That's how bad I am.. I have a druid main as well as druid alts .. XD

Flying is wicked.. I certainly still use prowl constantly, but an instant csat flight form is insanely handy. My favorite trick is to throw myself off the edge of the world in outlands (and shift once I'm out of combat) as a sure way to save myself from getting beat to a bloody stump by a bunch of mobs.

My biggest goal on my main right now is to get enough money to start going for my epic flyer.
#6 Jan 10 2008 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Beetlecat wrote:
So, in addition to stealthing like a rogue (and stealth-walking even faster than a rogue)

Slightly off-topic maybe, but given the thread title is "Stealth = FTW" I don't feel like a TOTAL hijacker. To be on the ever-evolving topic I'll add my favorite instant cast flight trick which is rezzing in the midst of bad guys and popping to flight form before they engage you in combat...up up and awaaaaaay. Sucks when they engage immediately and you die again though. : (


I rolled a human rogue because I like cat form so much and couldn't at the time imagine leveling a toon without stealth. By level 9 I turned her into my bank alt because I got fed up with how bad her stealthiness is. I know that as a night elf my stealth is +1 by default, and once I got Feral Instinct that boostws it more (does 3/3 there = +3 stealth?) but I don't ever remember getting spotted as much as this chick.

Has anybody else experienced loads of frustration with the stealthiness of non-night-elf rogues? Is the +1 stealth of night elves make it the nobrainer class for a rogue? Or do I need to quit qq'ing and stick with it. The tier one talent Master of Deception in the subtlety tree boosts stealth, but I can't see taking that over all those DPS-boosting talents in any tree.

Thoughts?
#7 Jan 10 2008 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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JeeBar wrote:
Has anybody else experienced loads of frustration with the stealthiness of non-night-elf rogues?


Yes! I played an undead rogue for a while (hubby is always trying to lure me over Horde-side) and I kept getting so annoyed - I couldn't stealth by ANYTHING. I walk right in front of mobs higher level than me all the time with my druid. But even stuff my own level would just reach out and punch my rogue. I know as a rogue I should try to be all sneaky and stuff but geez. If I wanted to take the trouble to walk 12 feet behind everything I wouldn't really need stealth at all.

Anyway I couldn't figure out why this was for the longest time and chalked it up to the night elf bonus since my druid is night elf, but I forgot about Feral Instinct. It's realllllly nice to have all your melee talents in the same tree. I wouldn't feel I could spare points in the Sub tree as a rogue, especially not 5.
#8 Jan 10 2008 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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My favorite trick is to throw myself off the edge of the world in outlands (and shift once I'm out of combat) as a sure way to save myself from getting beat to a bloody stump by a bunch of mobs.

Yeah, that is a blast...except when you forget you're not playing your druid at the time. Yes, I have confidently flung myself off of high places and realized about halfway down that I was screwed.

Regarding the non-NE rogue thing, I haven't had any problems getting both dwarf and undead past mobs around my own level. What I have noticed, though, is that my NE druid almost always gets the jump on rogues of all races in pvp. Tauren druids too, for that matter. Maybe I've just been incredibly lucky, but I can count on one hand the number of times I've been the jumpee rather than the jumper. Anyone else have similar experiences?
#9 Jan 10 2008 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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JeeBar wrote:

Has anybody else experienced loads of frustration with the stealthiness of non-night-elf rogues?


I never got my undead rogue past 20, but I do remember how I seemed to get spotted a *lot*. I had always assumed that druid stealth was worse (rogue being the parent class) but trying to actually *play* a rogue shut me up good.

I'm really bold on my (horde) druid. Mobs just don't seem to ever see me unless they walk over me. And if they do, who cares? Just turn into bear and tank! And if that goes bad, bash/warstomp, rejuve, travel form and AWAY!

I'm already beginning to wonder how I survived before form-to-form, one button, shape-shifting XD
#10 Jan 10 2008 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
You get spotted a lot, but until you get Cheap Shot you don't have much reason to be stealthing anyway...Ambush requires daggers which is just painful for leveling, Garotte won't tick all the way through, etc; you should still get in the habit of approaching in stealth to pickpocket, but it's not a huge deal early on.

I will say that I died a LOT in the first 20 levels or so due to adds...Sap helps but I was using vanish/sprint/ressing way more than I was used to.

Once you get Distract (22) and Cheap Shot (24 I think) though, the world is your plaything.
#11 Jan 10 2008 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
I can't wait for distract on my rogue alt (2 levels to go). Roving mobs are always turning around and seeing me - I may as well just range pull them with my throwing weapon. With distract I can at least set up my saps & openers (I currently have a nice dagger) - should speed things up nicely.

I never remember my Tauren Druid having as much trouble stealthing past mobs though (maybe it is just selective memory)
#12 Jan 11 2008 at 3:47 AM Rating: Good
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I did notice this aswell, only lvled a rogue to like 11 or so, but mobs would totally spot me from distances where they do not on my druid, hell sometimes not even right infron but almost slightly on the SIDE of them.

Couldn't it be tho that the Sneak skill at that low lvl is sort of worthless? I mean druids ARE lvl 20 when they get prowl so technically couldn't it be like a weaponskill capped at lvl 5 compared to same weaponskill capped at lvl 20?

I don't know just guessing but I totally agree with the rogue sneaking sucking experience early on.

#13 Jan 11 2008 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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You know its not the rogues or druids that have better/worse stealth.

Its your lack of skill with it. As a rogue and on my horde druid on another server, i never got noticed unless the creature turned around directly or was facing me. Or had a big difference in level to spot me form distance. Iam careful when in stealth and can figure out just how to get past patrols and mobs for both my stealthies.

Plus you underestimate the usefulness of a rogues distract [stop those damn pats and turn those mobs around] and vanish. Sap has its uses but is limited.

Though mind you, no "oh sh*t!" ability can compare to changing into something else to whoop the *** of whatever noticed you.

You can make this comparison to almost every class. Why would people choose mages and warlocks when moonkin caster has the armor of a bear and switch to other forms?

compared to warrios you have the added ability to heal and have a stealth form.

same for healers, your not as squishy as most healers.

Mind you, not many can argue the solo viability and sheer awesomeness of a druid. But other classes do have their specialised uses and unique abilities that people prefer to have them along for, just as they would with for druids.

I often hear of instances being done only with druids [different specs] in the group. THe other class i hear about doing this are the shamans. Heard of pally attempts at this but they didnt go as well.

Edited, Jan 11th 2008 2:49pm by Tenjen
#15 Jan 11 2008 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Well in endgame raiding, ive found people who learn their moonkins well do as good other casters who know their stuff. Even the average ones do good enough to not deserve a "nowhere near" label.

Its just that people are still learning how to equip and play a moonkin so you ussually see people who are still getting better or just not good at it.

But ive met a few who have well equiped moonkins and know their stuff in spell rotations and such. They rule.

Moonkins are also good to have in raids due to that aura.
#16 Jan 11 2008 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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For druids: each point in Feral Instinct (3 total) improves your effective stealth level by 1. So, a lvl 20 NE druid with 3/3 FI will stealth as if he were lvl 24 (3 from FI and 1 from NE racial).

For rogues: each point in Master of Deception (5 total) is 3/5ths of a stealth level, so 5/5 in MoD also improves your stealth level by 3. If you are a NE, you get your racial too.

The difference is, FI is a must for any feral druid so you will not find any without it (unless they don't know what they are doing), whereas most rogues will not be putting points in the subtlety tree at all and hence won't have MoD.

Prowl (druid) and Stealth (rogue) as skills are otherwise completely equivalent.

Edited, Jan 11th 2008 1:04pm by villiansv
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