If I'm missing an obvious point, then I'm sorry (I don't know too much about rogues), but I'm just curious as to what rogues bring to the table that other classes don't. From what I've gathered thus far, in PvE grouping rogues bring non-renewable CC that can only be applied to humanoids before combat, scouting abilities that a druid already has, as well as poisons which apply debuffs that other classes can pretty much apply. And while yes they DPS, so can ANY other class. In PvP, I read another post stating how basically warriors are better than rogues in every way, and while they may or may not be correct, it seemed to confirm my suspicions that rogues really bring very little to the table that another class can already offer.
So I ask: what is the benefit of having a rogue over another class?
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Rogues have basically the highest DPS in the game, so even though all classes can DPS, rogues do it the best.
The reason why warriors say they're better than rogues is because, well, they are. What with Overpower, health, and armor, warriors are the best anti-class against rogues.
You really want a reason to play a rogue? They're fun. Nothing is more satisfying than stealthing up behind an enemy and unleashing hell on their HP. And nothing makes you feel more like a jerk than one-shotting some poor mage who's happily drinking up in the middle of nowhere.
The reason why warriors say they're better than rogues is because, well, they are. What with Overpower, health, and armor, warriors are the best anti-class against rogues.
You really want a reason to play a rogue? They're fun. Nothing is more satisfying than stealthing up behind an enemy and unleashing hell on their HP. And nothing makes you feel more like a jerk than one-shotting some poor mage who's happily drinking up in the middle of nowhere.
In PvP not much.
In PvE a rogue brings to the table the best single target dps(ie raid bosses) due in part to having no mana constraint and rarely being threat capped. Simple as that. For 5mans rogues have sap, 2 stuns, gouge and blind to help cc and evasion to tank if something goes horribly wrong. Really isn't complicated.
In PvE a rogue brings to the table the best single target dps(ie raid bosses) due in part to having no mana constraint and rarely being threat capped. Simple as that. For 5mans rogues have sap, 2 stuns, gouge and blind to help cc and evasion to tank if something goes horribly wrong. Really isn't complicated.
They bring the mother f*&$#ing smack-down!
Rogues are to dps classes what warrios are to tanking classes.
They arent mana dependant or constrained by gimping their dps just a bit to be more mana efficient.
The thing with dps warrios is that they dont have much to remove aggro. This makes them have to manage their aggro by fixing their dps. [correct me if iam wrong there]. and really no matter how much armor and health, if your not the tank and steal aggro, bad **** happens. If you have so much armor and health for it not to be a problem at all [not counting raid mechanics which may ***** the raid over if the tank were not the main target], i'd like to know just how much you sacrificed to get it.
No one better pull that, o if the tank were good enough you wouldnt aggro. If ANYONE went off not using threat reducing tools and or aggro management strategies they will pull. Period.
Rogues dont have this trouble, they simple wipe aggro off with a vanish and already have 33% reduced aggro unspecced.
Sure other spells can do what a our poisons can do, but you can also think of the fact our poisons can do what other spells can. Working in tangem they're even better than just alone, or theres no need to use those spells since the poison does the job thus saving that mana for better things. The rogue just applies it and does what he normally does without it hindering him at all, he hits the mob.
and ya mental frog is right.
O ya and distract opens up all sorts of options for scouting when simple walking wont work. Plus if the druid gets noticed, he's pretty much f**ked. The rogue can pop vanish and have a hope.
They arent mana dependant or constrained by gimping their dps just a bit to be more mana efficient.
The thing with dps warrios is that they dont have much to remove aggro. This makes them have to manage their aggro by fixing their dps. [correct me if iam wrong there]. and really no matter how much armor and health, if your not the tank and steal aggro, bad **** happens. If you have so much armor and health for it not to be a problem at all [not counting raid mechanics which may ***** the raid over if the tank were not the main target], i'd like to know just how much you sacrificed to get it.
No one better pull that, o if the tank were good enough you wouldnt aggro. If ANYONE went off not using threat reducing tools and or aggro management strategies they will pull. Period.
Rogues dont have this trouble, they simple wipe aggro off with a vanish and already have 33% reduced aggro unspecced.
Sure other spells can do what a our poisons can do, but you can also think of the fact our poisons can do what other spells can. Working in tangem they're even better than just alone, or theres no need to use those spells since the poison does the job thus saving that mana for better things. The rogue just applies it and does what he normally does without it hindering him at all, he hits the mob.
and ya mental frog is right.
O ya and distract opens up all sorts of options for scouting when simple walking wont work. Plus if the druid gets noticed, he's pretty much f**ked. The rogue can pop vanish and have a hope.
We bring teh HIV.
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We don't bring HIV, we ARE HIV.
In fact, Rogues are like any STD. Nobody really wants them but they keep popping up everywhere anyways.
In fact, Rogues are like any STD. Nobody really wants them but they keep popping up everywhere anyways.
It's true. Warriors are better than Rogues in PvP...
...against Rogues. But it's kind of like saying Mages are better than Warriors because Mages almost always beat Warriors, or Hunters are better than Mages since Hunters almost always beat Mages.
...against Rogues. But it's kind of like saying Mages are better than Warriors because Mages almost always beat Warriors, or Hunters are better than Mages since Hunters almost always beat Mages.
We are like Black Mage, we casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down.
Except with pointy things instead of spells.
Except with pointy things instead of spells.
Lockpicking
What did I win?
What did I win?
No, thats for engineers.
Explosions>efficiency\
Explosions>efficiency\
We also provide spell cancellation. Kick is very handy.
And yes, Lock picking.
And yes, Lock picking.
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Blizzard messed it up though, mages should have the best dps of any class. Rogues should be second or third.
Um...for what reason?
I could see you arguing that for burst DPS, but for sustained DPS Mages would become to exhausted to do ****.
I could see you arguing that for burst DPS, but for sustained DPS Mages would become to exhausted to do ****.
#17REDACTED,
Posted: Jan 13 2008 at 12:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) rogues do barely more dps then other classes and provide nothing else to the total raid dps....
Not if you're talking about endgame.
In full T6 with warglaives a rogue pumps out about 2400 dps.
Everyone else is stuck at about 2000 except for warlocks and hunters.
In full T6 with warglaives a rogue pumps out about 2400 dps.
Everyone else is stuck at about 2000 except for warlocks and hunters.
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In full T6 with warglaives
sorry, yah my post was directed at 94% of the rogue community...not those farming black temple for their guild mates every week
#20REDACTED,
Posted: Jan 13 2008 at 5:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) As a rogue, I can honestly say that I bring very little, in PvE or PvP.
Quote:
Not if you're talking about endgame.
In full T6 with warglaives a rogue pumps out about 2400 dps.
Everyone else is stuck at about 2000 except for warlocks and hunters.
In full T6 with warglaives a rogue pumps out about 2400 dps.
Everyone else is stuck at about 2000 except for warlocks and hunters.
...Right. So a rogue should get full tier 6 and dual warglaives before he becomes useful. While you do that, I'll be having a life.
Rogues scale best with gear, and we probably benefit the best from raid buffs over any other class.
Sorry but with full T6 with Warglaives, I can probably pull closer to 2800 than 2400, 2400 is a bit low for full T6 and Warglaives.
The "problem" in BC is that Tailoring brings a whole lot to the table for the caster classes before they even step into Karazhan, in terms of gear and "enchants". Our best comes from....Engineering (Goggles only), Leatherworking (Some parts, theres some Feral stuff mixed in too), and BSmithing (Not really).
That being said, you should still be competitive in the damage meters regardless where you are in raid progression.
Sorry but with full T6 with Warglaives, I can probably pull closer to 2800 than 2400, 2400 is a bit low for full T6 and Warglaives.
The "problem" in BC is that Tailoring brings a whole lot to the table for the caster classes before they even step into Karazhan, in terms of gear and "enchants". Our best comes from....Engineering (Goggles only), Leatherworking (Some parts, theres some Feral stuff mixed in too), and BSmithing (Not really).
That being said, you should still be competitive in the damage meters regardless where you are in raid progression.
ElementHuman wrote:
Rogues scale best with gear, and we probably benefit the best from raid buffs over any other class.
Sorry but with full T6 with Warglaives, I can probably pull closer to 2800 than 2400, 2400 is a bit low for full T6 and Warglaives.
The "problem" in BC is that Tailoring brings a whole lot to the table for the caster classes before they even step into Karazhan, in terms of gear and "enchants". Our best comes from....Engineering (Goggles only), Leatherworking (Some parts, theres some Feral stuff mixed in too), and BSmithing (Not really).
That being said, you should still be competitive in the damage meters regardless where you are in raid progression.
Sorry but with full T6 with Warglaives, I can probably pull closer to 2800 than 2400, 2400 is a bit low for full T6 and Warglaives.
The "problem" in BC is that Tailoring brings a whole lot to the table for the caster classes before they even step into Karazhan, in terms of gear and "enchants". Our best comes from....Engineering (Goggles only), Leatherworking (Some parts, theres some Feral stuff mixed in too), and BSmithing (Not really).
That being said, you should still be competitive in the damage meters regardless where you are in raid progression.
I doubt it, but I'd be interested to see a WWS.
Or Armory.
Shade of Akama
This guy pulls close to 2600 without Warglaives or full T6. I still don't trust WWS to be honest.
This guy pulls close to 2600 without Warglaives or full T6. I still don't trust WWS to be honest.
Akama is an awful fight to parse DPS on. It's 30 seconds long, and Akama applies a debuff to Shade that makes him take up to 50% more damage.
I could pull 3000 DPS if I got a nice string of crits. That doesn't mean my DPS is 3000 on an actual fight.
I could pull 3000 DPS if I got a nice string of crits. That doesn't mean my DPS is 3000 on an actual fight.
GodOfMoo wrote:
We are like Black Mage, we casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down.
Except with pointy things instead of spells.
Except with pointy things instead of spells.
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