RetributionFollow

im on the verge of rethinking blacksmithing myself. i have Deep Thunder and wont be getting Stormherald anytime soon. if the S2 mace wasn't 3.6 i'd grab that up next. engineering or enchanting would be the way to go for that little extra.

also, i've been running into some sad brethren lately(who i whispered to recheck themselves):
this guy just has a half assed ret build
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh141/tommy0guns/?action=view&current=WoWScrnShot_011208_200031.jpg
this guy has a real choppy hybrid build, good for nothing really
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh141/tommy0guns/?action=view&current=WoWScrnShot_011208_194627.jpg

and in my true fashion, one for the boys:
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh141/tommy0guns/?action=view&current=WoWScrnShot_011208_195821.jpg

Go Pats!

proof that research owns most guys in this forum

Before you start saying that retri pallies suck in arena - try do some research! TBH retripallies are the worst pallies to encounter in an arena. They deliever HUGE burst and JoJ wrecks druid teams (which makes up most of the teams). BoP on own healer, freedom on self or other melee, 2 stuns, and the huge surprise when the other team realises that the palla wasn't the healer, but their doom, makes the retribution pally deadly in arena.

Of course retri pallies have to know how to play, just like every other class, and since only a few have been retri all they way since the realease of wow (like this guy has), there aren't many who know how to play - only like 1% of the total retribution pallies actually do, but to deem a specc unviable because the players suck is retarded.

I know someone will start saying: "but holy paladins are just so much more viable - they can heal and stuff." Answer: holy paladins are the easiliest killed healer in game - even easier than shamans. Even mages got no problem killing holy pallies, since they are so easy to either CC or just counterspell.

On a side note - this guy usually tops our DPS meters, basicly no matter what we are doing, including BG's.

I thought you had more than 2 braincells RP - look at his weapon, then his personal rating, then the teams rating - now, what does that tell you? Probably that he has played all this team matches, and thus have got this team to it's current rating.

As for the others only having played 10 matches, that's because we boost each other in the guild - so his teammates jumps teams to help the rest of us, while he holds their original team. If you look Elanoen and Bruno up, you'll notice that they are from the same guild as pallowin (and me - zinadore, just respecced resto druid) - so I can assure you, theres no foul play in this - it's pure skills that brought them this far.

I really hope that the next who tries to prove that he in some way cheated himself to the rating (both the teams and his personal) will think twice before posting crap.

EDIT: The palla you linked really sucks at PvP (and might lack understanding of his class too - what's that with 4k mana? he has 2k less than pallowin who's only short of him by 100AP and 1% crit) if he sits on those kind of ratings with that gear - 'nuff said. And again, what is wrong with this guy? 4k mana? LOLOLOLOLOL - he seriously needs to look at his skills again, they require mana to use, is he aware of that? No wonder why he sucks at PvP.
Edited, Jan 13th 2008 7:58am by krqllebqlle

Edited, Jan 13th 2008 8:03am by krqllebqlle

I don't understand how one character sheet is supposedly proof that retribution tree is a viable decent dps spec in anything other than pvp?

And how much research is that, if your linking some guildy?

I thought you had more than 2 braincells RP - look at his weapon, then his personal rating, then the teams rating - now, what does that tell you? Probably that he has played all this team matches, and thus have got this team to it's current rating.[/quote]

Well, let's see. He's got a decently rated 3v3, but no active teammates other than himself. He's got 3 pieces of S3 and a S3 weapon, but you can very nearly achieve that off saved points from S2 if you chose.

I read that as "Bought team and/or used the trick to boost personal rating". Not "my god, he's amazing! He wins 3v3 by playing by _himself_!"



In what way did I mention PvP in that post? He's in what looks like PvP gear, but that wasn't the content of it. He's certainly the best-geared raiding Retadin out there, and I know he has a different set for that.

And guess what? His raiding DPS really isn't all that hot. Shocking, I know, but Retadins are fairly mediocre at the raiding level. Not awful, but definitely not great.



Grant is also short a ton of Resilience, mostly because... like quite a few primarily PvE-players, he doesn't give much of a damn about Arenas.

Periodically (as in every other day) we discuss the ret issue on this forum.

Ret is mediocre raid dps. Mediocre at t4, t5 and t6. The utility they bring to the raid doesn't really scream "OMG we need a ret pally". Every now and then a guy in an undergeared T4 run will be like "I topped damage charts on Aran, u r wrong". It's quaint, but you have guys like Rp & Dilbrt here who have downed Illidan, laying it down for you with a literal mountain of experience.

BG's are BG's. Who cares, hell I topped Damage in a AV the other week, as Holy. Not lying, or exaggerating. If you are even foolish enough to use BG as a test of DPS it screams "Hello, please remind me to keep breathing. Yes, I am that stupid".

In Arena it varies. 2v2 rets are a joke, in fact they aren't even a joke since that would imply something is funny about it when really they are just fricking sad. 3v3 and 5v5 they offer a little viability in BoP/Cleanse/BoF roll but repentance is cleansible and the second they lose their mana pool they are a lame duck.


Yes there are exceptions to the rules, but they are exceptions. Usually well played Holy Pallies who banked DKP/Arena points to build a Ret set. People who have a strong support background as a healer and a serious need to melt face after healing countless fights. A lot of s1/kara or worse geared pallies or even pallies in s2/s1 like to think they fall into this category. They don't they are just weak dps with cleanse.

Sadley enough retribution paladins do start slacking off after 60. I've noticed the strong decline in damage compared to other classes. Even with me spending 2 weeks earning enough honor to get the Grand Marshall's Claymore I'm still at best equal to a decently geared War or Rogue. If they have excellent gear then forget it. I'll post a link to my armory.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Zuluhed&n=Loreyna

Thanks for the advice tommy. I realized that after I used the 24,440 honor to get this. ;-( But yeah, take his advice. Once you ding 65 in the outlands you can already find weapons that are almost better then this that you can quest for free. Nothing better than this until The Oathkeeper at 68. I may be mistaken.

It may just also be difficult because this is my first job that I have taken up and it does seem to be a job that requires a lot of talent and skill to max your damage potential. I'm still a newb when it comes to the game but hopefully I'll get it after a while.

Do listen to Tommy though, I have gotten about 100 compliments about my sword but that's because no one has this anymore as they don't waste the honor for it. I wish I would have saved the honor, It would put me at about 48,000 right now giving me a great start for getting my PvP gear at 70.

The thing is, circumstantial evidence isn't enough to prove/disprove the viability of arena. It's great that those players can pull out ret to it's fullest and pull great ratings in arena. I have all the respect in the world for them, because they have mastered retribution to it's upmost.

This is a good site to check out arena builds and see what teams do the best.

According to that, 89.5% of the top arena (Rating > 2200) paladins are holy, and 5.8% are ret. The rest are prot. The distribution slides a little towards the ret when you go just Rating > 2000, but not by much.

Now there is a bit of an error margin. The site grabs their current spec which may or may not be an arena spec. They have reduced this error somewhat by checking if the player has PvPd since their last respec, and getting their old spec if they haven't, but obviously this isnt a foolproof method.

My point is that if Ret was handy for arena, you would see a higher distribution of them in the top teams. Obviously some can make full use of it, but not all have the means or skill to do it.

Oh, no. I wrote the post the first time, then went back to sprinkle my own special mixture of ad hominem and hilarity. It's how I do some of my posts - it makes them far more entertaining reads than simply pointing out how you don't know what you're talking about. I usually try to sprinkle them in as I write, but sometimes it's easier to take a step back and look at the enormity of the idiocy and then do them all at once.



My god, you scored well in school? Lordy, I'm impressed. That must have been a real achievement, sho' nuff. I know the first thing I usually bring into an argument is "hey, you can't call me stupid! I scored 1560 on my SATs! And, and, and this one time, my professor, he thought I was smart and he told me so and stuff!"

What are you, 17? Who the hell cares what your GPA/test scores were once you're more than three minutes out of school?



I'd call you stupid, but it's starting to be passé. That post you're talking about, where I didn't quote anything except from your first two posts? Four (out of a whopping five!) quotes were from your last post, moron.



Like I said, he's a Retadin. If you want to talk about PvP in a topic started by someone asking about PvE you might want to avoid talking about these nifty devices called 'damage meters'. You know, the things people use in PvE? It's as idiotic as talking about Protadin's in PvP by mentioning their immunity to Crushing Blows.




Hi! I'm an idiot, so I don't know that this is one of the major functions added into the 2.3.2 patch! I especially don't know that even though it was mentioned at least twice in this very thread!

Wait a ticket... that'd be you, innit?



I won't even dignify that hideously pathetic attempt to play on my level with a response.

Wait, I guess I just did. Oh well... as they say, that's how the cookie crumbles and the idiot stumbles.

I mean... really? A Hitchhiker's quote and a reading course is the best you could do? That's really what you come back at me with?

Wow. You're like the 95 lbs kid tired of being demolished by the school bully every day who thinks that if he gives him a limp-wristed punch he'll go away. It's not that it doesn't do something - it's just that you're on such an inferior plateau pulling that crap really doesn't accomplish anything other than making you look like more of an idiot.

I'm going to laugh really hard if your next response is "nuh-uh, I played sports!"

I support the Captain because his sig is from 8-Bit Theatre. I also support RPZip because it takes time, effort, dedication and a heart of icy obsidian to devote that much of your free time solely to making another guy look like a f*cktard.

Though seriously, both of you should listen to Captain and quieten it down before both of you start taking a -10 on all future Logic skill checks.