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#1 Jan 09 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
to their Spec at 70?

I am deep frost and a Tailor so I have been making the Shadoweave set.

The thought hit me last night that it might be fun to try Fire or Arcane/Fire.
After further consideration, I realized how deeply I'm in to this spec for $$ and how much it would cost to switch.

Doesn't it seem like once we hit 70 our choices are, Stay with your spec or prepare for the Wallet raping to switch?


Seems like a little versatility would be nice.
Any thoughts?
#2 Jan 09 2008 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, kinda, but not really.

I have the spellfire set, and was 10/48/3 for quite a while. On a lark, I decided to respec to 40/21/0 to do some PVP and see how the other half lives. While I'm not doing AS much damage as I was before, I'm still able to keep my damage in the top 2-3 on a raid.

So, while you may not be able to respec to fire, you can at least be comforted in knowing that you can respec to a 40/0/21 build.

And really, with dailies being so lucrative and, as it has been noted in an interview with Jeff Kaplan, being increased from 10 to 25 in 2.4, money shouldn't be a problem to make both sets if you're willing to invest the time. The only dogging will be in having to respec your Tailoring when you respec your mage to use the different sets.
#3 Jan 09 2008 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
You can kind of feel that way, if your guild is requiring you to spec a certain way and you do not like it, then maybe it isn't the right guild for you. My guild doesn't 100% require us to be the most damaging, but it is highly suggested.
#4 Jan 09 2008 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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My guild doesn't 100% require us to be the most damaging, but it is highly suggested.


In my old horde guild, I never was asked to spec any certain way. But during Gruul's lair when the GM was on vent saying "DPS is lagging waaaay behind", I felt bad if I was in a spec that didn't contribute the max DPS to the raid that I could contribute.
#5 Jan 09 2008 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Ideally you'd get your spellfire for PVE, and PVP gear for PVP. One day I'll level tailoring and thats the route I'll take. A quick 50g respec from frost to fire for raids, but I won't bother with the FSW set even though I'm frost.
#6 Jan 09 2008 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Or level another mage. I enjoy them so much I am considering it, and I love both the frost and fire specs. Something I am considering and just a thought. I know leveling another seems like a chore, but with the revamp of 2.3 I probably will do that. Or do the respec, as someone said, dailies are moving up and with tailoring you can make a great deal of money as it is to offset some costs. Then again, I am addicted to alts. :(

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But I do feel you, I have a problem with respecs as it is and now have leveled my tailoring to 326 and soon the question will come into play for me. So either I roll another mage, which may be the case, or just deal with the respec. I loved fire anyway so thats not an issue, but with all the spell damage I am picking up in OUtlands as well as the crit change, etc. It has really boosted my damage output considerably to the point I am enjoying everything I can do with frost. Cant imagine the damage I would be doing in this gear with fire though.

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Main - 70 pally
60 respecced fire to frost mage at 50 to get me some pet :D

Edited, Jan 9th 2008 6:08pm by spicyoctopusroll
#7 Jan 09 2008 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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Personally, I kinda like the idea of being "locked into a spec" without having to make a huge investment to change it over. "Spec" means "specialization", and that has "special" in there. That's one of the reasons why I dislike cookie-cutter specs and constant respeccing per week for both PvE and PvP. Your character is supposed to be weak in certain aspects and strong in certain aspects. That's one of the reasons that I love utility talents as well- it makes people sacrifice the highest DPS possible (which is usually a cookie-cutter spec) for abilities that people find more handy.

I don't really like the concept of speccing for the optimal PvP spec and then respeccing for the optimal PvE spec every week. I prefer to spec something which is optimal in neither aspect but does fairly well in both, if I plan to do both PvP and PvE. That brings me to actually say that 50G is no longer too expensive for constant respeccing. Respeccing, to me, should be done only when you feel it's time to change your favorite kind of gameplay (or, of course, to fix outleveled or outdated talents) from outdoor PvE to 5-mans to 25-mans to BG Clusterfooks to 2v2 Arena with a certain class partner to something inbetween.

I'm not going to berate anyone for respeccing on a constant basis to play optimal specs for both PvE and PvP, but it's my personal feeling that this is not what the developers intended with the talent system.

All that being said, yeah, I do feel kinda locked into my spec because I don't do enough dailies to have gold easily come in. I don't have my epic mount for Netherwing dailies yet, and only recently got my Ogri'la ones.
#8 Jan 09 2008 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't really like the concept of speccing for the optimal PvP spec and then respeccing for the optimal PvE spec every week.


But when you want to play optimally in both, you don't have much choice. Maybe I'm a perfectionist, but if I get back into raiding my goals will be 2000 rated arena teams and clearing SSC/TK. I can't do either with some hybrid spec that doesn't really excel in anything. Gold is easy enough to make that I don't mind respecing 6 times a week to meet my goals.
#9 Jan 09 2008 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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I agree Raglu in many ways, my respeccing is more of a learning all about the class to find what works best for me and what I enjoy, after all, that's what matters the most, enjoying the game. I like to try and learn and feel what the class can be to its max. Whether its utilizing the PTR's for free testing of specs or spending the gold to respec in the game. I also resist the temptation to immediately switch until I have at least a few levels with that spec under my belt, as was the extreme urge when I switched from EDIT : FIRE TO FROST at 50 (now 60). Glad I did. Had a chance to try the arcane specs that have a little frost or fire (to me they aren't fire or frost specs but arcane, such as 40/21/0 or 40/0/21 - sorry tangent). I tried the three minute mage spec and some variations on the PTR as well as realized any variation of arcane for me is not going to cut it. With better gear, at 70, perhaps I will try it again, same with fire. But I am still relegated to sticking with frost and creating a fire alt if I desire to do so. In the meantime I can still tailor and wear some other gear, battlecast and others I believe if I did switch. If I chose to stay fire at 70 with shadoweave specialization and tried out the other gear and found it was the most enjoyable, then I may switch the specialization. Highly improbable, but stranger things have happened. AS to me its just a game, so no biggy. :)

Your comments on specialization are spot on and I feel that is how Blizz intended it.

Edited, Jan 9th 2008 6:37pm by spicyoctopusroll
#10 Jan 09 2008 at 3:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Gold is easy enough to make that I don't mind respecing 6 times a week to meet my goals.


Quite true.
#11 Jan 09 2008 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't really like the concept of speccing for the optimal PvP spec and then respeccing for the optimal PvE spec every week.

Well, that's the way this game works. My raiding spec is 14/0/47, and my PvP spec is 20/0/41. My rogue partner shifts from 16/45 mace/swords to (I think) 16/45 maces. Those little spec changes make all the difference, though.
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