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#1 Jan 08 2008 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
O had a couple of questions; one on seals, and one on blessings. This may have been covered before, but I cannot find it...

1. When using seals, I have been told that I should use seal of light and seal of justice more, in PvE instances. However, looking at SoJ and SoL, the mana cost is more if I attach it to a mob than if I just continue to FoL or HoL, and it only lasts 20 seconds, as I usually turn my attention back to the healthbars of the tank and dps. Should I really be using those seals if I am not hitting the mob, and using my mana more efficently with heals?

2. Blessings: I usually attach a BoK or Bo light on the tank, Blessing of Salv on the dps (to keep the tank able to hold aggro (off me!)), and BoW or BoSalv on myself. I also BoS the pets, unless they are helping to OT. However, I am often asked for Kings by everyone except usually mages. What should I be doing?

By the way, this is my first char, so I am trying to take critiques so I can fix whatever bad habits I have, before I hit Kara and heroics. Thank you.
#2 Jan 08 2008 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not the best person to answer, but here's what I do:

1) BoL on tank
2) BoW on me
3) BoSalvation on EVERYONE else, including pets.

If anyone asks for something else, let them have it. If they start pulling aggro, stop giving it to them. If they can hold their threat fine, then keep giving it to them.

Of course, all this changes if there are other Pallys in the group :)

For Seals...I rarely use them as a healer. If I have time to run in and put the seal on a mob, then chances are that it's not needed. Your heals are much more effective than Seal of Light, and DPS & tank should be able to take care of runners (so you won't need Justice).

The only time I run in on a mob in the middle of heals is to cast HoJ to stun them. Then, I run back out and keep healing.

EDIT - There are always exceptions (i.e. endurance fights and things like that), but this is what I do 98% of the time.

Edited, Jan 8th 2008 4:12pm by YJMark
#3 Jan 08 2008 at 1:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rihann wrote:
1. When using seals, I have been told that I should use seal of light and seal of justice more, in PvE instances. However, looking at SoJ and SoL, the mana cost is more if I attach it to a mob than if I just continue to FoL or HoL, and it only lasts 20 seconds, as I usually turn my attention back to the healthbars of the tank and dps. Should I really be using those seals if I am not hitting the mob, and using my mana more efficently with heals?


If you're not striking the mobs much and are keeping the tank up just fine without Judgement of Light, don't use it. As you said, it'll be a waste of your mana. Justice on the other hand is great for mobs that run away. Try Judging it when a mob is at about 30% health or so to prevent them from fleeing, unless you're not the only Paladin, then you can let the other deal with it ;)

Rihann wrote:
2. Blessings: I usually attach a BoK or Bo light on the tank, Blessing of Salv on the dps (to keep the tank able to hold aggro (off me!)), and BoW or BoSalv on myself. I also BoS the pets, unless they are helping to OT. However, I am often asked for Kings by everyone except usually mages. What should I be doing?


Salv really shouldn't be necessary at all on pets, unless the Huntard forgot to trun its Growl off, and with a Lock they should generally be using a Phased Imp anyway. As far as yourself and the tank: always use Wisdom because your heals generate far less threat then a normal healer and if you should get soem aggro you can bubble it off or just take some hits till the mob can get under control. The tank: use Light, or if that's too much an addition to your healing, Kings which can give a slight increase to the threat the tank puts out.

DPS, no matter how much they cry, should get Salvation if you are the only Paladin in the group. This goes for everyone but Hunters who I will give Might instead since they can just build some hate, Feign Death, and go back to DPSing. Plus it's harder for a Hunter, Particularly if there's a Paladin tanking, to pull a target to the trap if their attacks are doing 30% less threat. Now, if they keep pulling aggro, they will get Might replaced by Salv end of story.
#4 Jan 08 2008 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ex healing pally (not prot) and holy priest (and also a mage):

Justice is nice for stopping runners but is also slighty useful for ths tun if your tanks not taking much damage (gives you something to do ^^ )

Seal of light is probably not worth it for the reasons you said, if you had a ret pally then might be nice as you don't have to keep it up.

DPS get salv to start with, see how things go and change as needed. Often i swap to BoM or BoW for bosses as it can help easen things up. Also a lot of hunters i see are BM spec so BoS'n them is a good idea if they're not OT'n)

Tank - During trash pulls if not taking much damage BoK is nice for the slight agro increase and damage taken decrease, and also the extra XP for unlucky crit runs.

Have fun :)
#5 Jan 09 2008 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
well, everything is situational.

For most stuff that is still new/challanging, i use mostly greater blessings, i'm too lazy to rebuff a raid every 5-10 minutes. My advise is coming from a RAIDING healing pally that is now prot pally. so if your request is geared more towards 5 man content, this might not be what ya looking for.

warriors: GBOL
dps arms warrior (if there one in raid): bos
Druids: GBOS or GBOW (i ask them and the majority rules)(btw, they mostly healers)
OFFTANKING feral druid: kings if nonpallies assigned as thier healer
BOL if pally assigned to heal them.
Rogues: GBOS (almost always, reguardless of situtation)
Hunters: GBOM (rare occations depending on their spec, BOW)
priest: GBOS on trash, GBOW on bosses (depends on specific boss)
Pallies: GBOW (always, unless multiple pallies)
mages: GBOS (almost always)
warlocks: gbos or kings (usually not very many locks in a raid, so depends on thier play style)
Shaman: GBOS/GBOW (not many in MY guild raiding, so would depend on if they are healers or dps enchancers)


If we are raiding something on farm status, gbos gets used less in favor of gbow or kings and kings on tanks.


some bosses salv is not ness, some have agro wipes, some the tank just tanks the hell out of.

if we have wiped multiple attempts on a single boss, we might mix buffs around to improve dps (for those dps race bosses).
#6 Jan 09 2008 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
Thank you, that input was just what I was looking for :-). Hardnotes, I was looking for both 5-man and raid run info, that helped for both.
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