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#1 Jan 07 2008 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Are priests the top-of-the-line healers? At 70 how are they comparable to shaman, druids, and even paladins?
#2 Jan 07 2008 at 4:13 PM Rating: Default
paladins are the best single target healers.
shamans/druids are for group healing, or off healing the tanks.
priests can main heal but they lack the crit and mana pool of paladins so most times they are brought as buffers/and group healers.
#3 Jan 07 2008 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm gonna go a different way then the first poster. First in 5 mans each healer is more than capable of healing normal and heroics at 70. There seems to be more priests and pally healers than druids and shamans. With shamans bringing up the rear, mostly because their excellent raid healing isn't seen till later.

Once a priest gets a good amount of mp5 they can single target heal just as good as a pally. Both pally and priest excel at certain things and situations.

Paladins are better when the healer is gonna take damage, better "oh ****" healers when something really goes bad because of their bubble. They are the opposite of priests in the way the conserve mana. Flash heals (faster heals) is the best for mana conservation, but they still have some big heals that take a lot more mana.

Priests have better big heals compared to a paladin. Flash heals can drain a priests mana pool very fast so they try to stick to the big heals more. Priests also have a veriety of heals to use like renew, prayer of healing, and prayer of mending. The utility makes a priest a better healer for some situations. Some healers spec into circle of healing which makes them good group healers.

Haven't healed as a druid or shaman, but both can single target heal just fine and are excellent raid healers but for different reasons. Shamans can use chain heal to heal up everyone in the group in a matter of seconds if they are close together. Druids have amazing instant heals and can put heal over time spells on most the raid very fast.

Bascially there is more than enough room for all these healers to have a place.
#4 Jan 07 2008 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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Are priests the top-of-the-line healers?


I say yes.

We can heal over time, bounce a heal from player to player, single target heal, and group heal. We dispell magic and cure disease. We shackle undead and buff up the raid.

The only one who sometimes outheals me in our raids is another holy priest. I think all healers are great, but I'll stick with a priest.

Edited, Jan 7th 2008 10:30pm by dadanox
#5 Jan 07 2008 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent
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The only one who sometimes outheals me in our raids is another holy priest. I think all healers are great, but I'll stick with a priest.


Either you haven't been in 25 man raid content, you don't have resto shamans, or they blow.
#6 Jan 08 2008 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Druids are master of the HoT. Get a resto druid in a group, and he can keep 3 stacks of lifebloom plus rejuv up on 2-3 targets, getting a lot of healing every tick. Much more than a priest can get with renew, or renew+GotN for drannys.
Druids are also great at healing on the move. Not only can they stay on the move really well, they also have more instant cast healing spells than any other healer.

Paladins are master of the single-target heal. While other classes can come close, paladins reign supreme on that one target situation. Paladins are also great heal-tanks, i.e. if the fight will involve a healer taking damage, the paladin can throw on some threat generation and be the healer that gets aggro, thus a plate gets hit instead of a clothy. Lots of paladins is also a good thing, since you get lots of buffs. A survival hunter, for example, may want kings, salvation, might, and wisdom - all require an extra paladin.

Shamans have the AoE, and also have quite a bit of utility in their totems. I'm not a big fan of shamans, but they have their place.

Priests, on the other hand, have most of what the other classes have. Shamans may have the AoE, but priests (especially with CoH) come close. Paladins may have the single-target, but priests come close. Druids may have the HoT...well preists are nowhere near there with just renew, but between PW:S, renew, and other utility heal-spells, priests have their place. Plus, a discipline priest can buff up all the healers and casters by a bit. I don't think though that priests are the best at anything...but they're second on everything.

Sort of like how I view my warrior...some fights I think a druid would be a slightly better choice, but a pally much worse; other fights I think a pally would be a slightly better choice, but a druid much worse; all in all I'm about 10% below the "better" class, but probably twice as capable as the other.
#7 Jan 08 2008 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
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First of all understand that I'm a holy raiding priest and I know I sound like a terrible pessimist here but these are my opinions anyway...

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Once a priest gets a good amount of mp5 they can single target heal just as good as a pally. Both pally and priest excel at certain things and situations.


I disagree. When paladins achieve high critical ratings there is no way a priest can stay in the same ballpark as a paladin for single target healing over time. Illumination simply blasts Mp5 out of the water. The only way a priest can stay close is to take up alchemy for the Alchemist Stone but even then, Paladins have this option as well. They tend not to go this route since they don't need to.

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Priests have better big heals compared to a paladin.


Not really. But also, like I mentioned before, Paladins critical MUCH more often than priests. Most priests are probably sitting on about a 12-15% critical rating while a paladin is probably double that.

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Priests, on the other hand, have most of what the other classes have. Shamans may have the AoE, but priests (especially with CoH) come close. Paladins may have the single-target, but priests come close. Druids may have the HoT...well preists are nowhere near there with just renew, but between PW:S, renew, and other utility heal-spells, priests have their place. Plus, a discipline priest can buff up all the healers and casters by a bit. I don't think though that priests are the best at anything...but they're second on everything.


I think this is the best summary of what we can do. At the moment we just aren't top of the line healers. Priests can become top of the line healers, many have, but it takes more work than it does some of the other classes. The flavor of the month can change though so I wouldn't say abandon all hope. Just realize that the title of priest can often be misguiding as "the" healing class.

Our somewhat lack of holy abilities however have been a blessing in disguise for many. While our holy talents haven't really been improved much, the shadow tree has been buffed to must-have status. Many priests who spend 69 levels grinding up as shadow find it too hard to switch out of the build at 70 only to realize that spriests are in high demand.




Edited, Jan 8th 2008 4:20am by MookusOU
#8 Jan 08 2008 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Druids, Paladins and Shamans all have their strengths and weaknesses. They are incredibly powerful at one aspect of healing (HoT, single target, AOE) and either competent, weak, or incapable at the others. Shamans and Paladins have trouble in fights that require healing on the run, for example, and Druids can be overwhelmed by damage spikes.

Priests, on the other hand, can adapt to any healing situation. This makes them the ideal 5-man healers as well as huge assets in multi-phase raid boss fights where different phases call for very different healing styles.
#9 Jan 08 2008 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Either you haven't been in 25 man raid content, you don't have resto shamans, or they blow.

Or people know how to heal themselves up or avoid damage all together. Shield, Cloak, Healthstones... it's been a while since a shammy's topped the charts. It's either our best healer pulling way ahead on single-target healing, or our best healer pulling way ahead from CoH-spam. He is one of the best and best-geared healers I've seen, though, but our other healers just can't touch him unless he manages to get killed early.
#10 Jan 09 2008 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I disagree. When paladins achieve high critical ratings there is no way a priest can stay in the same ballpark as a paladin for single target healing over time. Illumination simply blasts Mp5 out of the water. The only way a priest can stay close is to take up alchemy for the Alchemist Stone but even then, Paladins have this option as well. They tend not to go this route since they don't need to.


A 15 second spell with a 3 min cooldown is better than mp5? I think not, paladins use mp5 as much as priests do. Although priests can count on their spirit a lot more than a paladin can. When you reach 350-400 mp5 while casting buffed you'll see that a priest can have mana forever, not to mention the fall back of the spirit mana regen and the earring of soulful meditation.

Lets take karathress as an example. I always healed the priest tank, myself, and the rogue. This was when my mp5 was a lot less too. I would demolish the healing because as a priest i kept up 3 people for 75%. The paladin would heal the karathress tank by himself until the shaman was down, at this point the paladin would need his own healer. His healer was not only to keep him alive but to also keep his mana up. Paladins just aren't meant to spam holy light over and over.

Could there have been a priest over there healing the karathress tank solo? hell no the priest would have died from the spitfire totems. Each class has it's place. Yes paladin is a more sought after class, but it has nothing to do with their healing. It is all about them being able to stay alive longer.


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Or people know how to heal themselves up or avoid damage all together. Shield, Cloak, Healthstones... it's been a while since a shammy's topped the charts. It's either our best healer pulling way ahead on single-target healing, or our best healer pulling way ahead from CoH-spam. He is one of the best and best-geared healers I've seen, though, but our other healers just can't touch him unless he manages to get killed early.


In BT/Hyjal is when the resto shammys really start to pull away. We were all on par with our 2 shammys until then, now they are usually 14%, while priest, pallys and druids are around 10%.
#11 Jan 09 2008 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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double post

Edited, Jan 9th 2008 4:13am by jcbronco
#12 Jan 09 2008 at 4:20 AM Rating: Decent
I have seen druids make the best healers. They dont need to take time to cast spells, risking the target die in the process. Could be just the way they are speced, but I have not seen a priest heal more efficiently than a druid.
There are not lots of druids on my server at high levels, so it's likely the ones I seen had no choice but to be the best out of need.
#13 Jan 09 2008 at 5:09 AM Rating: Decent
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A 15 second spell with a 3 min cooldown is better than mp5? I think not, paladins use mp5 as much as priests do. Although priests can count on their spirit a lot more than a paladin can. When you reach 350-400 mp5 while casting buffed you'll see that a priest can have mana forever, not to mention the fall back of the spirit mana regen and the earring of soulful meditation.


I never said Divine Illumination is better than Mp5.
I said Illumination is better than Mp5.

Illumination is a passive ability that returns 60% of the casted spell's mana whenever a paladin crits. And I stand by my statement that with the high critical ratings pallys can achieve (30+%) it bests MP5.




Edited, Jan 9th 2008 8:16am by MookusOU
#14 Jan 09 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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That's great you stand by your statement, but until you actually have a **** load of mp5 you really wouldn't know.
#15 Jan 09 2008 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
I think really depends on your play style but just in my opinion I think goes (1)druid due range which they can heal & hot, (2)(tie)preist & pallys, shaman are last on my list do to there low mana pools. I think all are very capable healers if play correctly.
#16 Jan 15 2008 at 2:09 AM Rating: Good
jcbronco wrote:

Either you haven't been in 25 man raid content, you don't have resto shamans, or they blow.


I hate to tell you but i have yet to be out healed by anything other than another holy priest. though she was specced circle healing, i am always fighting her for #1 imn our 25 mans. Dont get me wrong the shamans are right behind but if a holy priest plays his or her class effectively, we can out heal, out perform any other healing class there is.


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I think really depends on your play style but just in my opinion I think goes (1)druid due range which they can heal & hot, (2)(tie)preist & pallys, shaman are last on my list do to there low mana pools. I think all are very capable healers if play correctly.


your out of your mind. if you set a druid beside a holy priest same skill level and mana pools, and everything, the holy priest is going to out heal him over and over again. The druid is very mana efficient but if you are a smart priest and you have 2k healing like myself in my pve gear, you DOWN RANK YOUR SPELLS!!!!!

A druid doesn't do this and has more over healing than any other healing class.

If you want to talk trash about healing and priest not being number one.....take this trash to the druid forms


Edited, Jan 15th 2008 5:13am by Agoge
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