I have been pondering which class to start up again, and Pally's sound entertaining...but everyone says that in groups you typically sit back on auto pilot, which does not sound fun...and from everyone I have spoken with, PvP is awful for palladins. I am not sure what to believe, someone help me out here.
Thanks,
Jemac
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I recently switched from a rogue to a holy paladin. Obviously this is a huge change, and i guess it could purely be based on the extreme differences between the 2 classes, but i love my holy pally. I dont find it boring at all, i feel i have more control in the groups then on my Rogue, and everyone knows that in BGs healing pwns all :).
None of my friends that i have been playing with forever, thought i would enjoy my pally as much as i do. So i guess what you would have to do is just try it out for yourself. Everyones opinion is different.
On a side note however, my holy pally didnt become the loads of fun it is now until midway thru the 40s, but i think thats the case for most classes.
Edited, Jan 6th 2008 7:35am by crazeecracker
None of my friends that i have been playing with forever, thought i would enjoy my pally as much as i do. So i guess what you would have to do is just try it out for yourself. Everyones opinion is different.
On a side note however, my holy pally didnt become the loads of fun it is now until midway thru the 40s, but i think thats the case for most classes.
Edited, Jan 6th 2008 7:35am by crazeecracker
actually i find being in a group your quite active.
I dont understand what the hell those poeple are talking about, which part of the battle is in auto pilot?
I dont understand what the hell those poeple are talking about, which part of the battle is in auto pilot?
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Paladins aren't that boring, I was testing one on the PTR, end game healing is awesome for PvP (if you get right talents) I came second to a resto druid though... this "auto pilot" is mainly true, you just sit there and attack away
People who have not experienced a group setting from the eyes of their healer will never understand how crucial being a holy paladin is. Being a Paladin healer is far from being auto-pilot. There's Flash of Lights to be thrown all the time, or the emergency Divine Favor Holy Light when things start going sour praying that the tank can hold on just 2 more seconds so he can be back to full health. There's group buffs to be handled, and the Blessing of Protection to be given to that overzealous rogue that can't vanish. All that while dancing within range of all your other members and avoiding nasty AoE like those mushrooms in Underbog that Hungerfen likes to use.
Need mana in a long drawn out boss fight? Judgement of Wisdom and smack the mob a few times. Want to avoid healing that aforementioned rogue to conserve some mana for the tank? Judgement of Light...and let his own attacks heal him back up. Doing Kara and you're short a CC? That's what Turn Undead is for.
Many people who have never taken up the role as a healer will tell you the job is boring. Be it Paladin, Priest, or Druid the healer spot is usually the most thankless job in the game, but is the most vital. A group can progress with a sub-par DPS but let the healer slack once and the repair bills add up. Believe me on this, I got caught looking up a loot table and caused a wipe in normal Blood Furnace with another 70 and 2 60ish people just today. So if you want a job thats far from boring and keeps ya at attention all the way through then be a Paladin..and truly see The Light.
Need mana in a long drawn out boss fight? Judgement of Wisdom and smack the mob a few times. Want to avoid healing that aforementioned rogue to conserve some mana for the tank? Judgement of Light...and let his own attacks heal him back up. Doing Kara and you're short a CC? That's what Turn Undead is for.
Many people who have never taken up the role as a healer will tell you the job is boring. Be it Paladin, Priest, or Druid the healer spot is usually the most thankless job in the game, but is the most vital. A group can progress with a sub-par DPS but let the healer slack once and the repair bills add up. Believe me on this, I got caught looking up a loot table and caused a wipe in normal Blood Furnace with another 70 and 2 60ish people just today. So if you want a job thats far from boring and keeps ya at attention all the way through then be a Paladin..and truly see The Light.
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It depends on what you imagine a paladin to be. I'm willing to bet you're thinking of paladin as a 2h wielding magic-using death machine, and if thats what you're coming in think it as, then you're going to find yourself let down. As far as healers, sure there are a few fights that are kinda boring to heal, but Blizzard designed lots of fights to be healer fights, and therefore you have to do a lot more than just stand there clicking heal. Take Tidewalker for instance. As a paladin its quite probable you get to be 'bait' and get the attention of about 20 murlocks who can easily kill you. You have to actually TRY to get healing aggro, then jump out of the way at the very last second just as mages frost nova, or you're toast. It's certainly not boring.
Saying a class is boring or not is extremely subjective. What is boring to one person could be interesting or fun to another. Obviously if the class was boring, nobody would play the class and we would see a lot less pallys running around.
In terms of button clicks, yeah a holy paladin and even a ret paladin doesn't need to click as many buttons as other classes to do what they need to do. A prot paladin has to juggle many active abilities at once to ensure maximum threat gain and maximum avoidance.
That's only true if you are ret or prot. A holy paladin is a god in PvP, able to dish out the heals while several people are pounding away at them.
In terms of button clicks, yeah a holy paladin and even a ret paladin doesn't need to click as many buttons as other classes to do what they need to do. A prot paladin has to juggle many active abilities at once to ensure maximum threat gain and maximum avoidance.
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PvP is awful for palladins
That's only true if you are ret or prot. A holy paladin is a god in PvP, able to dish out the heals while several people are pounding away at them.
Is paladin boring?
Prot: Depends on what you're tanking, if I'm tanking something really weak I tend to get bored, but when I am tanking something big like Prince or Curator, that's tons of funs for me, knowing I stand between the giant monster and the rest of my raid getting eaten.
Ret: Can't say.
Holy: Please check my sig below.
Prot: Depends on what you're tanking, if I'm tanking something really weak I tend to get bored, but when I am tanking something big like Prince or Curator, that's tons of funs for me, knowing I stand between the giant monster and the rest of my raid getting eaten.
Ret: Can't say.
Holy: Please check my sig below.
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In terms of button clicks, yeah a holy paladin and even a ret paladin doesn't need to click as many buttons as other classes to do what they need to do. A prot paladin has to juggle many active abilities at once to ensure maximum threat gain and maximum avoidance.
Yeah typically Prot's have more buttons to hit than GCDs will allow. Questing it the only time prot is boring.
I could really see how some people consider Ret boring. I have gone ret from time to time and I would have to agree.
However, Holy is almost never boring. Questing is fun once you get the spell damage to kill stuff. Grouping is usually fun, unless your tank outgears the instance or there isnt enough AoE damage to everyone.
ramera, Pie Eating Champion wrote:
However, Holy is almost never boring. Questing is fun once you get the spell damage to kill stuff. Grouping is usually fun, unless your tank outgears the instance or there isnt enough AoE damage to everyone.
Personally, I've always found Holy insufferably boring in PvE regardless of the circumstances. It can be a lot of fun in PvP though.
One of the nice things about pallies is you can go afk (or not pay attention at all) and still do a great job.
When I was first learning to AoE grind, I was in STV while I had some french fries cooking. I had 4 guys on me, and I heard the timer go off. So I leave my computer, go grab my fries (and something to drink and something to dip them in) then come back to my computer and start attacking the next guy. I should mention I got another group of 3 while I was doing all this, so I pretty much had 6-7 guys on me while AFK, and I was killing them.
Or when I ran SM Cath (I was around 40) and I healed, basically spamming 2 (my bind for FoL) while watching TV, and then when I heard the death sounds I'd look to see where I was going to walk next before I started spamming FoL again. It's pretty simple.
When I was first learning to AoE grind, I was in STV while I had some french fries cooking. I had 4 guys on me, and I heard the timer go off. So I leave my computer, go grab my fries (and something to drink and something to dip them in) then come back to my computer and start attacking the next guy. I should mention I got another group of 3 while I was doing all this, so I pretty much had 6-7 guys on me while AFK, and I was killing them.
Or when I ran SM Cath (I was around 40) and I healed, basically spamming 2 (my bind for FoL) while watching TV, and then when I heard the death sounds I'd look to see where I was going to walk next before I started spamming FoL again. It's pretty simple.
What is boring to one person is exciting to another. The only thing that paladins can agree on is that ret is terrible at the moment.
One other thing about healing in a 5-man group - you generally have more targets to worry about than any other class.
At a min, you are worrying about 5 targets. Add pets, and you have more.
DPS - usually focus on 2 targets - one for damage, and one for CC (if you can).
Tank - depends on how many you pull. Usually less than 5 since CC takes a few out.
For raids.....try 25 targets....
Healing is far from boring. Not many healing keys, but it seems like you have to manage more targets than anyone else in the group (normally).
Of course, there are always exceptions. This is just what I seem to notice in general.
At a min, you are worrying about 5 targets. Add pets, and you have more.
DPS - usually focus on 2 targets - one for damage, and one for CC (if you can).
Tank - depends on how many you pull. Usually less than 5 since CC takes a few out.
For raids.....try 25 targets....
Healing is far from boring. Not many healing keys, but it seems like you have to manage more targets than anyone else in the group (normally).
Of course, there are always exceptions. This is just what I seem to notice in general.
My Prot pally has been more interactive than many of my other characters, especially in instances:
Mark mobs in kill order, Ready SoR, Pull mob with Avenger's Shield, while mobs are inbound cast Holy Shield, judge/cast SoR on first mob, cast Consecrate to lock AoE aggro, refresh Holy Shield that just ran out, judge SoR on next mob when first dies.
Oops, dps'er got aggro, target mob and cast Righteous Defense macro on mob, bringing it back over to you. See if dps'er still has blessing of salvation up.
And that just describes a typical pull, not to say when things go wrong and you're really jumping to keep everything together.
Yep, sooooo boring. ;)
Mark mobs in kill order, Ready SoR, Pull mob with Avenger's Shield, while mobs are inbound cast Holy Shield, judge/cast SoR on first mob, cast Consecrate to lock AoE aggro, refresh Holy Shield that just ran out, judge SoR on next mob when first dies.
Oops, dps'er got aggro, target mob and cast Righteous Defense macro on mob, bringing it back over to you. See if dps'er still has blessing of salvation up.
And that just describes a typical pull, not to say when things go wrong and you're really jumping to keep everything together.
Yep, sooooo boring. ;)
I agree that different people are bored and excited by different things. Which is why multiple classes have been provided.
I just hit 70 with my paly after 2 years and I still love him. Yes I said 2 years...I got a serious case of alt'itis. I have one of every class between levels 43-70. The only class I find boring is a Holy spec priest. But others may love them for some unfathomable reason.
To the OP: Paladins make excellent tanks and healers. If you find either of those specialties boring then you probably need to pick another class. 95% of the time you will be filling one of those roles. But when you are questing (and occassionally in instances) you aren't going to be strictly healing or tanking. You will be focused on dps and support.
I can see how some people could call Pally dps boring. We have few instant damage spells like warriors/rogues/etc. But in my opinion those people are viewing the dps'ing paladin in the wrong light. It's designed to be a support class. We shore up the holes in parties and save the asses of everyone around us. If we had a ton of instant attacks we would be button clicking away and would probably miss getting off that critical heal/cleanse/stun/etc. When I go into combat I hit my judgement/seal of choice and then use the following 25 secs or so to watch for "trouble brewing". Because I don't have to focus all of my attention on the fight itself I can readily respond to any changes and step in before anything gets out of hand. "Damage control" paladins FTW
I just hit 70 with my paly after 2 years and I still love him. Yes I said 2 years...I got a serious case of alt'itis. I have one of every class between levels 43-70. The only class I find boring is a Holy spec priest. But others may love them for some unfathomable reason.
To the OP: Paladins make excellent tanks and healers. If you find either of those specialties boring then you probably need to pick another class. 95% of the time you will be filling one of those roles. But when you are questing (and occassionally in instances) you aren't going to be strictly healing or tanking. You will be focused on dps and support.
I can see how some people could call Pally dps boring. We have few instant damage spells like warriors/rogues/etc. But in my opinion those people are viewing the dps'ing paladin in the wrong light. It's designed to be a support class. We shore up the holes in parties and save the asses of everyone around us. If we had a ton of instant attacks we would be button clicking away and would probably miss getting off that critical heal/cleanse/stun/etc. When I go into combat I hit my judgement/seal of choice and then use the following 25 secs or so to watch for "trouble brewing". Because I don't have to focus all of my attention on the fight itself I can readily respond to any changes and step in before anything gets out of hand. "Damage control" paladins FTW
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At level 56 I love my prot paladin, and I'm only doing solo questing right now. I'm finding that the amounts and levels of mobs I can handle at once to be so much better than any other class I've played (with the exception of my hunter who was comparable).
Also, I take a perverse pleasure in watching enemy's kill themselves by hitting me.
Also, I take a perverse pleasure in watching enemy's kill themselves by hitting me.
lol - almost makes me want to switch to Prot....
You should, it's fun.
Jemac wrote:
I have been pondering which class to start up again, and Pally's sound entertaining...but everyone says that in groups you typically sit back on auto pilot, which does not sound fun...and from everyone I have spoken with, PvP is awful for palladins. I am not sure what to believe, someone help me out here.
Thanks,
Jemac
Thanks,
Jemac
Depends on your definition and what you like. Holy pally in PvE raiding is healbot. lots and lots of FoL with some cleanses i suppose (never raided at 70 on my pally). Though it is nowhere NEAR as bad as holy pally at 60. That was back when decursive worked. Youd map one button to decursive and hit that over and over and over the entire raid. pally healing wasnt all that great so we were cleanse bots. If you dont like healing, holy pally raiding is boring. IMO the paladins strongest role is healing. out of all the things they do, they do that the best. Some people like healing, personally i find it horribly boring in PvE.
Paladin PvP is nowhere near boring to me. PvP healing is awesome and frustrates the HELL out of your enemies. I love frustrating people more than anything. Its my last joy in WoW
As far as leveling goes, i think warrior or priest is more boring to level than a paladin.
I am having trouble with my Pally to be honest. Was the first character I rolled when TBC came out, and he's still only 31.
The only reason I stick with it is because I think I'll really have fun when I can tank properly with him, but in terms of levelling. I have to say, for me anyway, yes it's pretty dull.
Although maybe I'll have more joy after 35 when I can try AoE prot grinding.
Probably doesnt help that my first character to 70 was a Hunter. Pretty much any other class seems like a slow leveller in comparison.
The only reason I stick with it is because I think I'll really have fun when I can tank properly with him, but in terms of levelling. I have to say, for me anyway, yes it's pretty dull.
Although maybe I'll have more joy after 35 when I can try AoE prot grinding.
Probably doesnt help that my first character to 70 was a Hunter. Pretty much any other class seems like a slow leveller in comparison.
I've got 3 Paladins, all of them alts. Retribution has been easiest to find spots to solo-grind levels, no more or less boring than any other class grinding in the same manner. However, the short duration (30 seconds) of the seals, and keeping tabs on your judgements and when to use 'em is so annoyingly busy.
Healadin is neat, if you like PvP and are good at switching targets. I wouldn't recommend leveling as Holy, but you can pull it off once you get to Outlands much easier (itemization).
Protection is my all-around favorite though it is very gear-dependant. Much like a warrior in that regard, you need the right tools. I go Reactive damage and lots of block, pull about 7 or 8 things (non-elite) and literally wait for them to die. Aura of Ret, BoSanctuary, Shields, Rings, and Trinkets that damage your attackers, Holy Shield, Consecrate, etc. It's very very boring, but one of the fastest leveling toons I've ever made (assuming you can afford the gear) and still a strong tank for groups!
.. but yea, compared to Druids, Hunters, Mages, Rogues, Shamans, Warriors, and Warlocks I think Paladins are quite boring. They are slightly more fun than a Priest. Slightly.
Healadin is neat, if you like PvP and are good at switching targets. I wouldn't recommend leveling as Holy, but you can pull it off once you get to Outlands much easier (itemization).
Protection is my all-around favorite though it is very gear-dependant. Much like a warrior in that regard, you need the right tools. I go Reactive damage and lots of block, pull about 7 or 8 things (non-elite) and literally wait for them to die. Aura of Ret, BoSanctuary, Shields, Rings, and Trinkets that damage your attackers, Holy Shield, Consecrate, etc. It's very very boring, but one of the fastest leveling toons I've ever made (assuming you can afford the gear) and still a strong tank for groups!
.. but yea, compared to Druids, Hunters, Mages, Rogues, Shamans, Warriors, and Warlocks I think Paladins are quite boring. They are slightly more fun than a Priest. Slightly.
CapJack of the Seven Seas wrote:
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PvP is awful for palladins
That's only true if you are ret or prot. A holy paladin is a god in PvP, able to dish out the heals while several people are pounding away at them.
Prot is good in arena from what I have seen on my rogue, they're a bish to take down, worse than prot warriors, they do more damage too.
Prot: If you can't out damage them, outlast them :P
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What's so boring about priests?
I mean sure we mana burn you guys and dispel your bubbles before fearing you, and then make you jealous by killing a mob in 10 seconds flat with a holy fire + smite + blast + death combo, but that's no excuse to go stealing my job! Get back to tanking so I can actually feel wanted.
Wait...did I just get off-topic again?
Oops! *casts prayer of mending and flees*
I mean sure we mana burn you guys and dispel your bubbles before fearing you, and then make you jealous by killing a mob in 10 seconds flat with a holy fire + smite + blast + death combo, but that's no excuse to go stealing my job! Get back to tanking so I can actually feel wanted.
Wait...did I just get off-topic again?
Oops! *casts prayer of mending and flees*
CyrexBismarck wrote:
CapJack of the Seven Seas wrote:
Quote:
PvP is awful for palladins
That's only true if you are ret or prot. A holy paladin is a god in PvP, able to dish out the heals while several people are pounding away at them.
Prot is good in arena from what I have seen on my rogue, they're a bish to take down, worse than prot warriors, they do more damage too.
Prot: If you can't out damage them, outlast them :P
No, prot is awful in arenas.
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Priest: Female shadow spec. Because she's a dark evil *****.
Rogue: Female. Because girls are evil conniving back-stabbers.
Warrior: Female. Because girls are suppose to take beatings.
THAT IS THE BEST QUOTE I HAVE EVER SEEN ON ANY FORUM EVER!!
MENTALFROG, YOU ROCK MY FRIEND!!
Edited, Jan 8th 2008 11:48pm by bearoch
Edited, Jan 8th 2008 11:49pm by bearoch
Rogue: Female. Because girls are evil conniving back-stabbers.
Warrior: Female. Because girls are suppose to take beatings.
THAT IS THE BEST QUOTE I HAVE EVER SEEN ON ANY FORUM EVER!!
MENTALFROG, YOU ROCK MY FRIEND!!
Edited, Jan 8th 2008 11:48pm by bearoch
Edited, Jan 8th 2008 11:49pm by bearoch
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