Good begining Heroics?Follow

Hellfire Ramparts and Slave Pens definetely. Mech is also pretty easy with the right group. As a step up from that, try Blood Furnace. (should at least bring one mage and a lock though).

SP the easiest imo. MT pretty laid back to. ramps as well and mech, but in mech the robots do hit pretty hard (im thinking bout 3k normal with 15k armor, dont rember for sure but was a decent amount)

The trash in Mana-tombs is easy, the bosses aren't. Well, the second is, but the first and third are by no means easy.

I'd say the ease of doing heroics depends mostly on the gear of the tank and healer but also on how much dps is being put out. If you are not raid geared, they will all be insanely difficult. If you have good gear, I would say Mech is definitely one of the easiest. With a lock, the middle section is trivial. Not mandatory though, I've done Heroic Mech with all melee dps and succeeded in an hour or so. Slave Pens is also relatively easy. Ramparts is most definitely not one of the easiest, but is not too bad. The last boss is a doozy though. Blood Furnace can be a nightmare. Shattered Halls is easily one of the most difficult, if not the most difficult. Shadow Labs and Black Morass are both particularly frightening, as is Old Hillsbrad Foothills.

I've heard Steam Vaults is pretty easy. Hope that's true, as my Druid will be tanking that plenty of times.

whenever I got the chance, I would grind UB, SP, mech and ramps for badges. Done correctly with good group composition and good dps, that nets you 14 badges iirc, in about 4 hours of instance time.
If you get a hunter, mage and warlock, congratulations, you can take your group on a tour of these instances and go to town. However, I've tanked SP and UB with only a rogue's sap and/or a druid's hibernate and had no real problems or multiple wiping, so those two are some of the easier heroics to do.

In mech, having a warlock and priest along are great for the demon bomber pulls and fearing adds on calculator, but having only two out of three fears for them is ok if your group can dps the boss down fast enough.

In manatombs, the first boss can be dealt with easily enough if you have at least 200 shadow resist buffed... Not too hard to achieve with AH greens. The last boss is a pain though. I had 0 unbuffed frost resist for him and he and his adds were causing too much damage for a healadin with 1700+ hb to heal through.

Is there a good sort of progression for Heroics?

Seems like so far we have:

Ramparts
Slave Pens
Underbog
Mechanar

I haven't had the opportunity to do any of them yet as I'm not really well geared for it. My guild is about to get to that point, though. It sounds like running Kara a time or two is a good way to go before starting those. Debatable, from what I've heard, though. So what about after Mechanar? Is it all sort of "six of one, half dozen of the other"?

I've done both Mech and Ramps, and I can say for sure as a warrior that Mech is easier. As a paladin maybe Ramps is easy, but if you're just starting out, you CANNOT tank multiple mobs at once. Mech is easier in this regard, because most of the pulls are 3 mobs with only a few 4 mob pulls. Whereas Ramps has a lot of 4 mob pulls, and some 5 mob pulls. Every time I've done H. Ramps my group wipes at least 5-6 times. In Mech we didn't wipe once. If you do Mech, make SURE you have a warlock, as a single warlock can practically solo the entire group of 4-5 mobs where the demons throw bombs around.

I ran Ramparts last night and the only CC we had was a Mind Control from our shadow priest. Which btw broke way too much so we stopped using it. My kara OT (Druid) was in the group and would go BEAR with the larger number pulls. We died a few times but were able to finish it without a problem.

SP > SV/UB/Ramps > Mech

Thought I think each can be just as easy as the other based on what type of group setup you have.

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 3:20pm by Scolariman

You had a kara geared druid offtanking, obviously there was no problems. I pug my heroics, I have 0 epics, and some of the other people in my groups have 0 epics.


I disagree. When I'm taking 2 mobs per once that's alraedy about 6-7000 damage every attack round that the healer is healing. I can keep aggro on one of them, but thunderclap just won't cut it in that situation. And neither will tabbing around and sundering, devastating, shield slamming either because with that much healing aggro it takes concentrated focus on a single mob to be able to keep it off the healer. One of the mobs will go to the healer and kill it. 2 mobs I can do, but even then I get literally bombed with heals and sometimes the healer runs out of mana or jus can't heal me fast enough.

If you or the people in your groups are epicced then things change:

- YOu can DPS the mobs down faster meaning less stress on the healers
- You take less damage when the mobs hit you, meaning you die slower
- The healers have to heal less, meaning less healing aggro
- Your Shield Slams, Devastates and Revenges do more damage meaning more threat.

But for someone who is "just starting out", my guess is that that isn't the case.

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 5:48pm by duvar