Shamans terrible at PVP?Follow

I have heard you guys say your real bad at Pvp and want to know why. I have seen these shamans in Bgs just rip up. Enh shammies are crazy jumping round windfurying and i just cant get there health down. And i have jumped a few shammies and after a while i have to turn and run (i know embarrassing.)And Ele shammies are pretty damn good too, i think forst shock is a good cc spell and it hurts like hell aswell :).
So could yout tell me why there bad in Pvp? lol

They're talking about Arena, not BGs.

When I get jumped on in world pvp..... I usually dont bother to fight back. Just prepare to die quickly and then login another toon so that the fella camping your corpse waste his time waiting.

There is no way to get out.... and people who ambush u are well prepared to kill u.

In BGs... when I was enh...... I get kited. I do useful DPS against mobs in AV though. As Ele, I'm more successful if I managed to stay in the backline. But smart opponents usually aim for us 1st. We do too much DPS to be ignored, and we get killed easily (Yes, I often get warriors charging me and rogues change target midway once they see a chain lightning).

It was so much different when I was playing my warlock... hehehe. Few dare to ambush me. Those who did find out the hard way that warlocks not to be messed with. LOL. In BG... HoT, deathcoil, etc. Muahaha. Nevermind. I love playing my warlock when it comes to PVP.

But I like being my shaman better... dont know why. Maybe I prefer playing a versatile support class that make others do their job even better.

I am an elemental shaman. Now while i do very well at BGs (usually top) see here--
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee92/catherinebeattyping/WoWScrnShot_122207_092728.jpg

i still get frustrated even in BGs. Whenever and ms warrior comes close to me i take my hands off the key board because i know im dead, same for rogues and pallys in most cases. Arena is a place about good CC and face melting DPS, if you dont have both you're screwed. Thats why you see a lot more shamans in 5v5. Group pvp is where we excell because we can go unoticed in all the anarchy of a BG.

Edited, Jan 4th 2008 7:41am by Draeneipally

Think of it this way

If you get the jump on someone, you can usually take them down extremely quickly.

But if you don't, you are not going anywhere.

Enhancement Shamans and Elemental ones do crazy dps and with the right gear are very hard to take down. Simply put I wished I rolled a Shaman instead of a Paladin... Do it!!!!!

Armory 'push'

but, even though it hurts to say, gaudion IS right.
Enhancement...sucks for arena.
Sure, it can have its uses, but almost every single time a warrior is simply a better choice.
The most important reason for this, is that we are too kitable and don't have any cc(or means to break CC)

1. first of all, as soon as someone kites us, were doomed.
Frostshock only has 20 yards, so a mage or hunter(Or warlock, or priest, or elemental shaman)can just keep out of our frostshock range and slowly kill us.
Your just hopeless unless you get help.

2)lack of CC, and vulnerabilty(sp?) to it.
Simple enough, shamans, probably as the only class, dont have ANY form of cc.
Not one, over all our three trees.
On top of that, we also don't have something that breaks CC.

Imo, blizzard should add another 41 enhancement talent.
Make it so, that shamanistic rage and the other(beastly rage?)stand next to eachother.
Both need dualwield(or was stormstrike the required one, don't remember out the top of my head).
As soon as you put your point in the one, the other grays out and you can't select it anymore.

The skill would be something like this :
Beastly rage
??? mana
2min cooldown.
lasts 30 seconds? i think thats too long...how long is tbw?
You enter a beastly rage, making you unstoppable unless killed.

When your under effect of beastly rage, you cant be slowed or CC'ed.
Yes I stole it from hunters, bite me:P

We're talking about arena here.
In arena, you either need a way to migate damage, or be mobile.
As shamans, the first one isn't a good option(in most cases, doable if you are resto but I still wouldn't advise it).
So, we have to either hug pillars, or keep moving.
That's the totems main problem(aside from its incredibly low health.), it won't go with you if you move.
Your warrior friend isn't going to stand and hit things from next to your totem either, no, he'll be charging the socks of everyone on the opposing team.
So, good luck keeping a WF totem on him.

The buff 'pulses' from the totem every 2-3 seconds refreshing it and only lasts for 8 seconds when it doesn't get refreshed.



Of the 4 healers shamans lack 3 very important things that they all have. Mobility, Dispel resistance and pure CC.

I bolded Mobility because it is so important. Arguably, Paladins are also not very mobile because they, like us, are forced to stand still to cast spells, however they get blessing of freedom or judgement of justice to help them with that. I believe paladins are much better at movement than any shaman.

Dispel resistance is huge, especially being in any BG where your earthshield just disappears every few seconds. Even Gift of the Naaru (the only heal over time available to Shamans and it's only for Draenei) can be purged. All totems have 5 hp and are killed instantly by rank 1 spells. All 3 other healers get some resistance to that via talents and we don't. That sucks.

CC. Paladins get a 5s stun, Druids get roots and cyclone, Priests get fear and silence (if specced for it). We only have good slowdown effects in Frost shock and earthbind, but no way for us to get out of movement impairing effects save the trinket. And only Taurens get a stun (2s) on a longer cooldown then Paladins' Hammer of justice.


It's not that Shamans can't be or aren't good at PvP, just of the 4 available hybrid or healing classes, we have large setbacks that they do not.

Well the fighting style you just mentioned...itz alot like how a mage has to fight and they do pretty well, grant it they have mana shield and such as well as frost nova. I am currently rolling an ele shaman and I believe that there is alot of potential. It feels alot like a mage, damage being mainly in the instants. Shamans can easily tear through other casters, having shocks that interrupt spellcasting and the grounding totem. They are the ultimate anticaster, up there with warlocks imo. They do lack in cc which is a big issue; however, the damage is there. Now that combination you spoke of "frostshock and earthbind" is not considered a cc effect but it would go well in stalling long enough to get your cds on shocks and bolts, which is all the difference. *shrug* i guess it is a matter of opinion and perspective

ah so we are starting to insult each other now, hmm?
what kind of retarded shaman are you playing if you go down that easily?

read the ******* post above mine, momo.
thats the insulting part.
30 seconds, hm? thats a damn long time for your team to take out their healer.

That's what they claim, anyways. I still don't buy it.


Shaman can actually be fairly effective at 5v5 and BG's.

In 5v5 we're more or less glorified Heroism/Bloodlust bots, but we can still be highly effective if we're Elemental or Restoration and allowed to live/kept alive long enough.

BG's are just one big cluster!@#$, which is why it's the one and only place that Enhancement Shaman can make a showing in end-game PvP.

3v3 and 2v2 Enhancement is no longer an option. Elemental really isn't much of one either. The best of the best can still make it to 2000+ rating, but to be perfectly honest most of that has to do with the quality of your teammate(s), your teamwork, and coordination. There isn't a lot that Shaman as a class bring that another class can't easily do and then some, and sooner or later your lack of CC, mitigation, mobility, and inability to deal with incoming CC is going to stonewall your progress.