MT spec + RAID utilityFollow

I'm looking for comments about this spec. I would link armory, but it's down. Iselgar is the char name. it's unique, so yes I'm the one on Uther server.

I currently run a spec very close to this one. I am MT in Kara and ZA. I will probably get promoted to doing more MT in SSC and TK.

I think it gives me incredible utility since I can put on my T4/5 Healing gear and heal 90% of what I was in holy spec. I have SoC which allows me to put on my DPS set (Warrior DPS set basically) do "some" DPS instead of sitting there while another tank does something.

I was at 510 Def rating so I shouldn't need Anticipation. I basically dropped it in favor of the Concentration aura for PVP healing. I may do 10 games a week for some points. So dropping 20 def rating would be fine.

I also didn't pick up Ardent Defender and I probably should have. I could drop some points from 1-H spec into it. Would 3 points for 18% reduction be good enough? On bosses I should never go below 35% in theory. On trash it's another story.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhtI0cdMgotVfxzh

Thanks in advance.

One general rule that without a doubt becomes all the more true as you progress further and further into end game is "A jack of all trades a master of none".

Iamalan covered healing. You might find 90% is applicable on Kara aka 'raiding lite' but on the longer t5 fights you will see it fall apart and parse much much farther behind.

DPS, well Ret are still somewhat at a disadvantage even with all the talents in the tree. Having SoComm is pointless and will not be a big enough boost on its own in order to justify it in terms of DPS, in fact it is a wasted point.

Prot tree you have 3 points in Conc aura which you dont need for tanking, usually dont need for pve healing. So its for a few encounters and PvP.

Basically you are taking away from your ability to tank just to get marginal in heal/dps. Not a good plan at all, no matter which way you slice it.

Ya know. very good points. there. Yes the super hybrid build does not exist. I just thought I'd put forth my best effort.

I think I"ll revise it a touch. I liked SoComm so I might keep it. I know the "dps" is lacking, but I did 350ish the other night in EYE trash.

i think I'll get the ardent defender. Is the 1h weapon spec really worth it?

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhtIx0dMMqtVbxzhz

Maybe this is slightly better? It's close to the "cookie-cutter" tanking ones I know.

350 DPS is, again, pitiful. Your DPS raid members should be doing 800 if you're in The Eye, if not more. You're really going to have no impact on the raid.



It's 5% additional damage when a 1h is equipped. This is basically 5% additional threat. Additional threat is a good thing, because it lets your DPS raid members do their job better.



It's better, but that's not saying much. There's a reason the "cookie-cutter" tanking builds exist. They're the best there is for tanking. Pursuit of Justice, while nice for getting around, is really not that useful for tanking, and can certainly be dropped as well.

If you're looking for a true Main Tank build, then get stuff that helps for tanking, and nothing more. That's really required in such a min/max position as the main tank. If you're looking to be just an offtank or backup tank, then yeah, you can get away without peak talents. It depends on the role you're looking for.

Ok, I think Cap Jack is right. That's the ONLY reason i took PoJ was for 3% spell avoid. Speed is nice for Alar.

Here's the new spec:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhtIb0dMgqtVbx0h

True, but it causes incoming damage to be more spikey. A resisted spell isn't always that important as a main tank because incoming healing, in raids, is not reactionary. Healers MUST heal at such a rate that all damaging spells are expected to hit you, because if they don't, it will be the one time where the spell does hit you, and it does kill you. This is why Pursuit of Justice is trumped by Spell Warding. Spell Warding's reduced damage is constant and predictable, and healing can be adjusted as such.



True, but instead of +12 stam on boots, you could get Boar's Speed, which gives +9 stam and +8% run speed. That 3 talent points in Persuit of Justice gets you 3 stamina, and 7% run speed. Now is it worth it? Probably not. There are no fights that require that much mobility from the main tank, and even if a mob does get away, pallies have both a ranged taunt ability, and a high threat ranged attack. While that may not be identical to Intervene, it also doesn't have the drawback of sending you all the way across the raid to the guy who pulled aggro only to get there and find out he feigned/soulshattered or that someone else pulled aggro in the meantime. :)



I really don't think spending 3 talent points for a single fight is wise. First, I would ask which portion of the Al'ar fight would need you to run faster. Since we're looking for a MT spot we'll assume you're on Al'ar both in phase 1 and phase 2.

Phase 1. The only time your run speed will matter is if you're assigned to either of the ramp platforms that Al'ar will return to after a Flame Quill. If the raid is truly falling apart because you get one more flame buffet on them than a warrior or druid does, then you have other issues. However, should worse come to worse, you can easily be assigned to a different platform where your run speed will have no impact whatsoever.

Phase 2. The only times you will move during this phase are either to pick up Al'ar, or to move out of a flame patch that spawned under you. If you need to pick up Al'ar, well, damn man, you have a ranged high threat move, chuck your shield! When a flame patch spawns under you, provided you remember that your character runs faster by strafing to the side rather than backing out, you should have no problems running out before you take substantial damage, if you even take any at all.

I've tanked into Hyjal/BT on my warrior, and so far am in to ZA on my paladin, so trust me, I know about raid tanking. Going from 108% run speed (Boar's Speed enchant on your boots) to 115% run speed (Pursuit of Justice) isn't going to change much of anything, and having a 3% incoming damage resist rate isn't going to change how people heal you. In 5-mans, maybe, but not raids.

That's decent, and if you are really intent on dropping anticipation, you could sink those points into guardian's favor. If you're still doing Vashj then you know how important BoF is.

Still doing VashJ? I haven't personally done her once. My guild had done her since Mid October I think. I just joined a month ago.

I'm not MT except in ZA and Kara.

I have equal HP as our Warrior MT and close to the Bear MT.

20k when buffed, flasked, commanding shout, Imp.

I guess I'm mostly an OT and backup tank until they "promote" me or when I prove my worthiness.

I was really looking for some great feedback from the elders here on taning thoughts and specs.

I appreciate it guys.