Don't worry it's not a rate my build or am I ready for kara.
Just was curious, having never done any raids, and hoping to at least get into a pug group for kara in the next month or so my first question is this: I've read a lot of posts about so and so downing prince, shade and curator so if you only down like the first boss in kara and then have to end the raid there, if you come back say after the instance resets, do you have to kill the same bosses over again? I guess if the answer is yes, the best option would be to plan to run all of kara in one week before it resets because that way you wouldn't have to re-kill same bosses right?
Second question, do BM hunters get picked up for kara pugs on anyone's servers? I don't really want to respec to SV just for a few kara pugs simply because all my gear is BM/MM spec'd and I am just to lazy to spend a few more weeks running the various instances to get more +agility gear, plus my guild already has a good SV hunter so it wouldn't really do me any good to respec. Thanks for the help, and yes I know I sound like a huntard.
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To answer your questions simply, Yes and yes.
In more depth: When an instance (Any type, be it 5 man or 25 man) resets, all the bosses come back. So yes, you need to kill them all in one week, or else you gotta start all over.
As for BM hunters finding groups, if there's a demand for DPS, and you can fill it, you'll find a group. To be honest though, when raid leaders pug Kara, the last thing they look for is a hunter. They usually try and fill the spots with classes such as a Vending Machine, a priest or two (for Morose), the obligatory three healers and two tanks, and a warlock for Illhoof.
That leaves one or two slots open for DPS, and let's face it. While Hunters *can* do high DPS, there's a good chunk of Hunters out there fail at their class. The only thing we really bring to a raid aside from our DPS is our MDing skills. And frankly, that's only a luxury.
So what I'm trying to say, while there is the rare chance that a Kara PUG will be looking for a hunter, don't get your hopes up. If you can find a group willing to give you a chance, show them what being a hunter is all about. Keep your stuff CCed, slam the DPS meters, and pretty much don't be a Huntard.
Good luck!
Edited, Jan 2nd 2008 12:42am by Zeromatter
In more depth: When an instance (Any type, be it 5 man or 25 man) resets, all the bosses come back. So yes, you need to kill them all in one week, or else you gotta start all over.
As for BM hunters finding groups, if there's a demand for DPS, and you can fill it, you'll find a group. To be honest though, when raid leaders pug Kara, the last thing they look for is a hunter. They usually try and fill the spots with classes such as a Vending Machine, a priest or two (for Morose), the obligatory three healers and two tanks, and a warlock for Illhoof.
That leaves one or two slots open for DPS, and let's face it. While Hunters *can* do high DPS, there's a good chunk of Hunters out there fail at their class. The only thing we really bring to a raid aside from our DPS is our MDing skills. And frankly, that's only a luxury.
So what I'm trying to say, while there is the rare chance that a Kara PUG will be looking for a hunter, don't get your hopes up. If you can find a group willing to give you a chance, show them what being a hunter is all about. Keep your stuff CCed, slam the DPS meters, and pretty much don't be a Huntard.
Good luck!
Edited, Jan 2nd 2008 12:42am by Zeromatter
Kara resets Tuesday morning, meaning if you do a run Tuesday night, you've got 6 more evenings to work through it. It saves after each boss/major event, and all of the trash mobs throughout the entire dungeon are each linked to a specific boss (ie. the undead horses/humanoids in the stables are linked to Attumen/Midnight, so once you down Attumen, they won't respawn until the entire dungeon resets). As far as I can tell, Chess is the only event that doesn't have any trash linked to it...on our guild's first attempt at Prince, we only got two tries at him (after doing Chess) before everything after Curator started to respawn ; ;
The idea of a Kara PUG sends shivers down my spine, but if that's your best option to explore the content right now, I'd say just stick with what you've got. BM Hunters (when geared and played properly) bring quite a good amount of dps to the table. Chances are, unless you're one of 2-3 pickup members in an otherwise all-raiding-guild run, you're going to be spending a good chunk of gold on repairs...no point adding new gems and enchants to the bill.
The idea of a Kara PUG sends shivers down my spine, but if that's your best option to explore the content right now, I'd say just stick with what you've got. BM Hunters (when geared and played properly) bring quite a good amount of dps to the table. Chances are, unless you're one of 2-3 pickup members in an otherwise all-raiding-guild run, you're going to be spending a good chunk of gold on repairs...no point adding new gems and enchants to the bill.
My friend pugged gruul...
skribs wrote:
My friend pugged gruul...
I joined a Gruul PUG even before I did Kara. We got there after they had already downed the first boss, and it was a case of 25 people managing 2-3 targets tops and then finding out that when we got to Gruul, you really just can't bring in level 70 dps classes in 90% greens ranging in level from 62-67. Kara is a bit different...you have fewer people to coordinate, but the level of coordination required is much higher. Every boss in Kara requires a different approach, and even some of the elite pulls can be absolutely devastating if botched. Gruul is a "watch where you're standing and pewpew as hard as you can without pulling aggro" kind of fight. Kara is a fair bit more dynamic, I think.
Well thanks for the answers, sadly I was hoping for a little more enthusiasm with regards to kara pugs, but honestly I wasn't to hopeful on that end. What I'll probably just end up doing is doing some serious gearing up and of course using Athien's list and then just looking for a new guild that is raiding and doesn't mind that I do have a life outside of WoW
maskofdeath wrote:
Well thanks for the answers, sadly I was hoping for a little more enthusiasm with regards to kara pugs, but honestly I wasn't to hopeful on that end. What I'll probably just end up doing is doing some serious gearing up and of course using Athien's list and then just looking for a new guild that is raiding and doesn't mind that I do have a life outside of WoW
There is nothing wrong with Kara PUGs...
There will be PUGs which will clear the instance in less than 4 hours and there will be PUGs which will not be able to down the first boss.
It really depends on setup, gear and experience of all players.
Just search for a Kara PUG and be prepared for the worst (bring a lot of ammo, buff food, elixirs and gold for repairs). With some luck you'll have a blast and down many bosses which might give you some new shiny purples.
With a bit bad luck you might lose 100g on repairs and elixirs without downing many bosses, but at least you have seen the instance and you had some fun...
id say kara pugs has changed alot lately. my server it went from sometimes 2-3 guilds joinging in on a quick raid to now having daily kara and gruul pugs.
to be honest a pug could even be the easiest way for you to gear up abit, seeing as nowdays many already geared well beyond kara players doing a quick run once a week for badges. so with a bit of luck you could find yourself together with a pug of mostly t5+. altho this would ofc also mean that the run might not be as exciting/fun as you had hoped.everyone knows its the wipeing thats the most fun!!^^)
but even so it would give you some nice experience, raids do differ abit from normal party playstyles, so if you cant/wont join a guild id say go for the pugs and try it out, you will either be completly hooked or perhaps never step in an raid again after.
with all that said,imo if you have any plans of joining a raidguild, do that and experience the instance the "right" way. its slower,more expensive,frustrating but so much more rewarding in the end
to be honest a pug could even be the easiest way for you to gear up abit, seeing as nowdays many already geared well beyond kara players doing a quick run once a week for badges. so with a bit of luck you could find yourself together with a pug of mostly t5+. altho this would ofc also mean that the run might not be as exciting/fun as you had hoped.everyone knows its the wipeing thats the most fun!!^^)
but even so it would give you some nice experience, raids do differ abit from normal party playstyles, so if you cant/wont join a guild id say go for the pugs and try it out, you will either be completly hooked or perhaps never step in an raid again after.
with all that said,imo if you have any plans of joining a raidguild, do that and experience the instance the "right" way. its slower,more expensive,frustrating but so much more rewarding in the end
maskofdeath wrote:
guild that is raiding and doesn't mind that I do have a life outside of WoW
Good luck in finding such.
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Good luck in finding such.
I take it that most raiding guilds are made up of people without social constraints such as jobs, children, families, food? If that truly is the case then maybe i'll just stick with my guild's weekend instance runs and maybe the occasional kara pug.
Most (if not all) hardcore raiding guilds are yes, but you can find a social guild that raids as a hobby.
My guild for instance, will never get a huge WoWJutsu ranking, but we've done most of Kara together. We raid twice to three times a week. No pressure if you can't make raids. Sure, when you are in a raid with us, you're expected to be decently geared and bring pots/consumables, but there's a line between casually raiding and wasting everyone's time. We know what side we're on.
I know my guild probably won't be taking 25 man content for a very long time, and will probably never see the inside of TK until the next expansion, but I'm ok with that. If however you want the FULL raid experience (T6 and all that) you need to make a lot of sacrifices.
I'm certainly happier running Kara with people I like and can trust not to be morons.
Edited, Jan 2nd 2008 8:07am by Rasen
My guild for instance, will never get a huge WoWJutsu ranking, but we've done most of Kara together. We raid twice to three times a week. No pressure if you can't make raids. Sure, when you are in a raid with us, you're expected to be decently geared and bring pots/consumables, but there's a line between casually raiding and wasting everyone's time. We know what side we're on.
I know my guild probably won't be taking 25 man content for a very long time, and will probably never see the inside of TK until the next expansion, but I'm ok with that. If however you want the FULL raid experience (T6 and all that) you need to make a lot of sacrifices.
I'm certainly happier running Kara with people I like and can trust not to be morons.
Edited, Jan 2nd 2008 8:07am by Rasen
plenty of guilds are the more casual type nowdays, where you have little to no requried attendence and such, these guilds also tend to have a fairly large portion of older people(jobs,families etc)
so it really shouldnt be a problem finding such a guild on any server.
what you should remeber tho is that even a casual raidingguild do have rules, they might not care if you cantfor 2-3 weeks or maybe only 1day that week, aslong as you let them know its usualy ok.and when it is time to raid they will expect 100% focus,minimal afks and all that, finding a guild that wil let you go on a raid and then suddenly after 1-2h you have to go and just log off, now that will be hard to find
so it really shouldnt be a problem finding such a guild on any server.
what you should remeber tho is that even a casual raidingguild do have rules, they might not care if you cantfor 2-3 weeks or maybe only 1day that week, aslong as you let them know its usualy ok.and when it is time to raid they will expect 100% focus,minimal afks and all that, finding a guild that wil let you go on a raid and then suddenly after 1-2h you have to go and just log off, now that will be hard to find
Try to find a guild thats looking for mature players or mature for their age. A guild with older players are usally more reliable, stable and respect demands on real life such as family and work. I'm in a guild working on vash that has no DKP system, anyone can roll(spec first ofcourse) and I can take any amount of time off I want. Very easy going and mature people that I have fun with.
Unlike this guild... http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~dmackay/troxed.swf
Unlike this guild... http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~dmackay/troxed.swf
There is a guild for every kind of player, because in essence, no player is genuinely unique in their play times and styles. You'll always find a handful of other people that are similar to yourself. Sometimes, the trick can be finding them.
Posting on the Blizz WoW forums or here in the main WoW forums can find you a server and a guild to buddy up with.
A lot of engame players are going guildless and running either PUG's or finding raids that run at a schedule they can keep. These maverick style players get known and as long as their rep is good, get invites to all kinds of runs.
So, my advice would be to start looking for folks that run on your schedule and develop your skills and gear to the point that you are welcome in any raid at any time.
It's arena for me just to get some decent gear fast and then I'll try raiding.
Posting on the Blizz WoW forums or here in the main WoW forums can find you a server and a guild to buddy up with.
A lot of engame players are going guildless and running either PUG's or finding raids that run at a schedule they can keep. These maverick style players get known and as long as their rep is good, get invites to all kinds of runs.
So, my advice would be to start looking for folks that run on your schedule and develop your skills and gear to the point that you are welcome in any raid at any time.
It's arena for me just to get some decent gear fast and then I'll try raiding.
For 10 mans I would suggest sticking with BM. There simply is not enough benefit from EW in 10 mans due to the general lack of lots of melee dps, you'll contribute more by upping your dps and keeping FI up.
I've never tried to pug kara, but I do hear of pug groups that do it well. mostly bored members of guilds in t5 and t6.
I've never tried to pug kara, but I do hear of pug groups that do it well. mostly bored members of guilds in t5 and t6.
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