This was creating quite a stir in the other topic, so here. I gave it its own topic. Does 1H Weapon Spec affect Shield Slam?
The instinctual answer is no, a shield isn't a 1H weapon. Then you might be tempted to browse to wowwiki and look up the talent and see that the Description is "Increases the damage you deal with One-Handed Melee weapons". But you might not be convinced yet, so you look at your armory on wowarmory.com and see that the description is "Increases the damage you deal with 1H melee weapons by X%".
BUT, if you're tempted to look at the in-game description on your talent panel, you'll see that it says "Increases physical damage you deal when a one-handed melee weapon is equipped by X%". So the answer isn't so obvious to me, and apparently not to anyone else in the other thread either since it was creating such a fuss :P
So does anyone have some facts to support or deny this?
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This is essentially a C&P from my other topic, but here you are.
Ciderhelm's Guide to tanking - Official WoW forums. There's one respected source for you. Anyone that has read Ciderhelm's guide has to respect the guy for the research and time he's put into tanking. I've tested a lot of what he says, and trust his experience. This guide can also be found on theoryspot, a reputable resource for tanking information.
I had thought this was pretty common knowledge, but I've been wrong about things before. Testing the talent is incredibly simple, it just requires you sinking gold for a respec. Go respec, get shield slam...and use shield slam without the talent. Then put points into it, and use shield slam. Note that you do more damage. Mystery solved.
From a logic standpoint, you actually can make sense of the specialization increasing SS damage. Warriors on the field of battle would commonly use their shield as a weapon. It was one of the things that made the use of a shield useful, aside from obviously being able to deflect attacks. A skilled fighter could use the shield to as a bludgeon to attack his opponents with in conjunction with attacks from his sword. So really it would make less sense in my eyes if it didn't increase SS damage.
Ciderhelm's Guide to tanking - Official WoW forums. There's one respected source for you. Anyone that has read Ciderhelm's guide has to respect the guy for the research and time he's put into tanking. I've tested a lot of what he says, and trust his experience. This guide can also be found on theoryspot, a reputable resource for tanking information.
I had thought this was pretty common knowledge, but I've been wrong about things before. Testing the talent is incredibly simple, it just requires you sinking gold for a respec. Go respec, get shield slam...and use shield slam without the talent. Then put points into it, and use shield slam. Note that you do more damage. Mystery solved.
From a logic standpoint, you actually can make sense of the specialization increasing SS damage. Warriors on the field of battle would commonly use their shield as a weapon. It was one of the things that made the use of a shield useful, aside from obviously being able to deflect attacks. A skilled fighter could use the shield to as a bludgeon to attack his opponents with in conjunction with attacks from his sword. So really it would make less sense in my eyes if it didn't increase SS damage.
You're good to clarify this by posting the in-game tool tip that made you doubt duvar. I had no idea that it said that.
You're also very good to post sources Fleetus.
At this point I can't tell you which is which for certain. I can only tell you how it should work, or rather; how blizzard probably intended it to work.
Oh, and it's no news that blizzard are complete and utter **** at writing coherent tool tips.
You're also very good to post sources Fleetus.
At this point I can't tell you which is which for certain. I can only tell you how it should work, or rather; how blizzard probably intended it to work.
Oh, and it's no news that blizzard are complete and utter **** at writing coherent tool tips.
According to Ciderhelm's FAQ from the link Fletus posted (source):
Edited, Jan 1st 2008 2:43pm by Placeholder
Ciderhelm wrote:
4. Shield Mastery affects Shield Slam. So does One-Handed Specialization. (0.7)
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(from 0.6.4 Protection)
One-Handed Specialization increases Shield Slam damage by 10%.
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(from 0.6.4 Protection)
One-Handed Specialization increases Shield Slam damage by 10%.
Edited, Jan 1st 2008 2:43pm by Placeholder
It DOES work Utarius, that's just the thing. The method I gave for testing, I have done personally. I have seen the difference between a non-talented SS, and a talented SS. There IS an increase in damage, and mathamatically, it would work out to 10%.
Oh I believe you mate, I just don't think that's what blizzard intended. In any case, that's the way it is, and I always spec 5/5 in 1h spec when I spec for tanking so I'm not gonna complain.
Again, never in this thread have I said you're wrong. If you think that you've misunderstood me.
Again, never in this thread have I said you're wrong. If you think that you've misunderstood me.
Utarius wrote:
Oh I believe you mate, I just don't think that's what blizzard intended.
I'm fairly sure it IS what they intended, as the Paladin's 1h weapon spec talent (while only 5% instead of 10%) does the exact same thing. Increases all damage you do while using a 1h. It even affects Consecrate.
I've always wondered the same thing.
Based on the results above, perhaps shields need to be moved from the AH category "armor" and placed into "weapons" instead ;)
Based on the results above, perhaps shields need to be moved from the AH category "armor" and placed into "weapons" instead ;)
the pally talent was actualy changed to include non-melee damage only a year or 2 ago purely to make it into the utility it mainly is, a aggro tool.
not that i doubt the testings proving that shield slam is efectet or anything, just the argument didnt hold up from that point.
Buzak
not that i doubt the testings proving that shield slam is efectet or anything, just the argument didnt hold up from that point.
Buzak
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