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Hi. I'm playing wow in South Korea.
I'm not good at English so PLZ don't blame my poor sentences. -_-;
(If you can't understand my words, reply plz.)
I'm now 558 Defense Skill(8.32% mob miss), 28.34% Parry, 22.55% Dodge, 35.44% Block. If I get Blssing of King, Mark of Wild, Agility food,scrolls,elixirs,
I Have Tatal 103.2% Defense probability.
I've haerd that, 102.4% Defence probability(Containing Mobs Miss+Miss rating by Defense Skill, Parry, Dodge, Block) makes Tanker Immune to Crushing.
But Somebody says, "There is NO 100% probability in WOW system. Only 99.9% exists. So 102.4% Defence probability does not means Crush Immune."
Which is right? (My 1st question)
And If my opinion is right, I Think Crush Immune setting makes Tanker free from useing 'Shield Block'. So It can save lots of rage, raises TPS.
In real, I have to equip Hit rating, Expertise and Block value Gears while Tanking (even in very strong mobs, like Teron Gorefiend) because our dealers are so strong -_-;; (DPS 2000 or Higher).
Do you think 'Crush immune' grears can help Both of "Good Degense" ang "High TPS" ?? (My 2nd question)
And My last Question is, Does 102.4% Defence probability also makes Tanker not to be striken by "Shear(Illian's Skill)" ?? Somebody Says, though you're 102.4%, If you don't use 'Shiled Block' in Shear, you'll get Shear.
Which is Right?
PLZ Help Me T^T !!!
Edited, Jan 1st 2008 10:39am by weststar
Edited, Jan 1st 2008 10:40am by weststar
Edited, Jan 1st 2008 10:42am by weststar
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No idea about shear, but...
Even though your english is poor, I think "defense probability" is about the best wording I've ever seen for avoidance+block. I'm going to start using that. As far as being crush immune, every once in a while (whether through glitch or some other reason) you may get crit/crushed, but in essence 102.4% defense probability with or without shield block would result in being crush immune, excepting said glitches/rare occurences.
While you mentioned that not using shield block allows you extra rage, you failed to mention that you get that extra talent point from improved shield block (and as your defense probability goes up further, you can start taking points out of shield spec, unless you want the rage when hit). This would allow you the extra talent points when you can't decide between a few talents.
I think it does, but the math would be really hard to do, especially for someone like me who is not too familiar with warrior benchmarks. However, by increasing the talents you can spend in other areas (such as defense or offense) you get more benefits there. You also have incredibly high avoidance (over 60% raid buffed) which reduces damage by a lot more than having 30-40% avoidance and using shield block. As far as TPS goes, you probably have less crit, AP, etc, but you also have extra rage to work with.
On the other hand, if geared for hit rating, block value, etc, you generate a lot more threat per use of an ability. Honestly I think you'd get more TPS this way, since you'd have more rage (block generating 1 rage plus damage) and you can still go crush immune with shield block.
Overall, you'd probably end up taking about the same amount of damage on most fights, unless you are on a fight where time is important. The difference is in how much your healers need to do and how much your DPS needs to hold back.
Even though your english is poor, I think "defense probability" is about the best wording I've ever seen for avoidance+block. I'm going to start using that. As far as being crush immune, every once in a while (whether through glitch or some other reason) you may get crit/crushed, but in essence 102.4% defense probability with or without shield block would result in being crush immune, excepting said glitches/rare occurences.
While you mentioned that not using shield block allows you extra rage, you failed to mention that you get that extra talent point from improved shield block (and as your defense probability goes up further, you can start taking points out of shield spec, unless you want the rage when hit). This would allow you the extra talent points when you can't decide between a few talents.
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Do you think 'Crush immune' grears can help Both of "Good Degense" ang "High TPS" ?? (My 2nd question)
I think it does, but the math would be really hard to do, especially for someone like me who is not too familiar with warrior benchmarks. However, by increasing the talents you can spend in other areas (such as defense or offense) you get more benefits there. You also have incredibly high avoidance (over 60% raid buffed) which reduces damage by a lot more than having 30-40% avoidance and using shield block. As far as TPS goes, you probably have less crit, AP, etc, but you also have extra rage to work with.
On the other hand, if geared for hit rating, block value, etc, you generate a lot more threat per use of an ability. Honestly I think you'd get more TPS this way, since you'd have more rage (block generating 1 rage plus damage) and you can still go crush immune with shield block.
Overall, you'd probably end up taking about the same amount of damage on most fights, unless you are on a fight where time is important. The difference is in how much your healers need to do and how much your DPS needs to hold back.
weststar wrote:
But Somebody says, "There is NO 100% probability in WOW system. Only 99.9% exists. So 102.4% Defence probability does not means Crush Immune."
Which is right? (My 1st question)
Which is right? (My 1st question)
There is alot of debating going on around this, just as there is on a player never being able to become uncrittable. There are screenshots of tanks with well over 500 defense taking crits from bosses who shouldn't have been able to crit them. The phenomenon of someone being crushing immune is much much more rarer, so I don't believe it has been tested to the same extent.
weststar wrote:
And If my opinion is right, I Think Crush Immune setting makes Tanker free from useing 'Shield Block'. So It can save lots of rage, raises TPS.
Indeed it does. You can exclude Shield Block from your tanking rotation, and try to weave even more HS's in there.
weststar wrote:
Do you think 'Crush immune' grears can help Both of "Good Degense" ang "High TPS" ?? (My 2nd question)
This is a bit fuzzy to me... Crush immunity does higher your survivability (if that's what you mean by "good defense") and getting spare rage from SB to use with any other ability does higher your TPS, if you use it extra rage appropriately.
weststar wrote:
And My last Question is, Does 102.4% Defence probability also makes Tanker not to be striken by "Shear(Illian's Skill)" ?? Somebody Says, though you're 102.4%, If you don't use 'Shiled Block' in Shear, you'll get Shear.
Which is Right?
Which is Right?
Well, we'll look up the tool tip description on WoWwiki:
WoWwiki wrote:
Shear: Reduces the health of his current main aggro target by 60%. Shear has a 1.5 second cast time and so the main tank must be ready to use Shield Block (which mitigates the attack).
Judging by this, you have to use Shield Block to mitigate it. It's not listed as a crushing blow, or procs off an eventual crushing blow from Illidan. Therefore it's safe to assume that you have to do what the tool tip tells you to be able to mitigate the attack.
Now, of course, I've never been close to Illidan in raid encounters. This is just assumptions based on logic, not experience.
However, there could be a bug in this, that blizzard didn't intend, and it does infact mitigate shear if you're crush-immune. This is just pure speculation though, and if you think about it; not very likely.
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I've haerd that, 102.4% Defence probability(Containing Mobs Miss+Miss rating by Defense Skill, Parry, Dodge, Block) makes Tanker Immune to Crushing.
But Somebody says, "There is NO 100% probability in WOW system. Only 99.9% exists. So 102.4% Defence probability does not means Crush Immune."
Which is right? (My 1st question)
There is a 100% probability; people who think otherwise are just wrong. People have been crushed with Shield Block up but typicially due to either their own mistakes or the game doing odd things (like when backing up and the monster can sometimes count as being behind you, even if it shouldn't be).
You can be passively crushing immune through gear without needing to use Shield Block. The MT and OT in my guild both are, and have completely stopped using Shield Block in most cases (the exceptions I'll get to in a minute), although they also have a more threat-focused set that they use depending upon what boss we're fighting. Gorefiend is definitely a fight to use the threat set on.
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And My last Question is, Does 102.4% Defence probability also makes Tanker not to be striken by "Shear(Illian's Skill)" ?? Somebody Says, though you're 102.4%, If you don't use 'Shiled Block' in Shear, you'll get Shear.
Which is Right?
Shear cannot miss, so you'd need 102.4% avoidance _without_ the free ~8% you get from Miss. As a practical matter, get used to using Shield Block on Shear; while you could theoretically get to that level of avoidance, it'd be completely useless on anything but Illidan.
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Judging by this, you have to use Shield Block to mitigate it. It's not listed as a crushing blow, or procs off an eventual crushing blow from Illidan. Therefore it's safe to assume that you have to do what the tool tip tells you to be able to mitigate the attack.
It's not that the information is from the Tooltip... it's that Shear hits for like 50 damage if it lands, so if you block it the debuff isn't applied (much like Hamstring can be blocked).
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