Multiple Judgement!Follow

Ok, so I don't play my Pally all the time so I may have just missed this or it maybe that I just got seal of vengeance and thats what made me notice this.

You can judge SOV and another Seal at the same time! also with the seal being renewed when you strike you can judge multiple mobs!

I'm messing around in BRD with my 65 Prot Pally and it takes time to kill mobs and then they all run off at the same time, its a pain. So I judge 1 of em with SOJ and kill it first then SOJ the next and so on, I notice the Seal gets renewed so I try to judge a second mob and flick between the 2, I then add SOV as well, is this a well known Pally thing to do (Did I miss the memo) or is it a well kept secret only the well informed know about?

How many mobs could you potentially Judge and keep em all up?

Ummmm you're just figuring this out now? Really? At lvl 65?

That is just short of being 'mindbogglingly retarded'. Then again there are some guys at lvl 70 who still have not a fracking clue on how to play the class, so I 'spose it ain't that bad. :P

Ignoring all the other stuff: think of it like the guy who spins plates on the tops of poles. He can have as many spinning at one time as he wants as long as he can keep going back to each plate before it slows down and falls off, and only one plate per pole. Only in the Paladin's case you also have a DoT Seal. Judging this does not remove a previously Judged Seal, like SoR doesn't, but it is not another Judgement.

And, don't let anything anyone says get under your skin. I have a 70 Lock and Hunter as well as my main Paladin, but there's still plenty about those 2 classes I am clueless on. Paladin I know pretty well, but that's cause I spend the majority of my time playing my Paly, somewhat neglecting the others.

No, I kiss yours.

Not to be too terribly hateful but really it is one of those things that is so simple and fundamental to the class that having to mention it is like saying "hey did you know we can heal?".

:p

Edited, Jan 1st 2008 1:50pm by bodhisattva

It is nice. However it is often only used for tanking and even then it is sporadic.

Since you have to wait for it to stack to be effective most Prot Pallies use Righteousness right off the hop for immediate aggro gains. For multiple mob tanking ret aura + consecration tends to do the job so cycling through mobs and applying SoV is very ineffective as well.

We usually roll with 2 warriors, a Druid and a Prot Pally for tanks and I seldom see him using SoV. Not saying he doesn't and not saying that it is useless but it does have number of disadvantages in terms of immediate aggro gain which makes it less than viable for raiding and there are more effective ways to gain group aggro. /shrug

Rets maybe?

Prot pallies have to many things active to not be auto-attacking much.

Prot played will have a number of buttons to mash, as well as the usual tanking fun of trinket usage, positioning and avoiding all the boss head aches.

Healadins are two button healers, good ones have more than 2 buttons going on. Anyone that has healed end game though will testify that it is the most intense spot in a raid, constant split second decisions that will make/break a raid.

Ret is autoswing, plus judgements, plus CS. Wings when they pop. So 3.6 swing, 6 second CS, 8 sec judge. Lots of staring. Course there is jumping around, but still not as button intensive as a fury war or needing the precise string of skills as a rogue to increase dps. But hey if you enjoy it all the power to you, when you get to end game raiding nothing is really 'easy'.

Don't forget you have to actually have SoV up to keep the stacks refreshed, so getting it up just to Judge is not a good idea since it is proc based, not every swing.



If I remember correctly, I've had (SMV Blood Elves - 4 groups of 3 non-elites, a group of 2 with a big rock dude, and the Elite that drops a quest and has 4 non-elite guards) 20 at most not including things like SM farming runs and what not. I was with a Boomkin and a Mage, and they didn't take aggro off me at all, nor did the Druid need to heal me. All the Mage could say after that was, "Wow". I felt good :)

SoV isn't a judgment though, it's a seal. You can keep up JoJ and SoV because it's not 2 judgments. JoV is instant damage, much like JoR - and JoR (any pally who already has (S/J)otC will tell you) does not override a debuff judgment.

That said, SoV is (to my knowledge) the only seal which provides a debuff to the target. Granted SoJ stuns, but that only lasts 2 seconds so I'm not going to include that.

The stacking effect of SoV is not a judgement. The judgement is much like the instant judgement of SoR or SoC. Those instant judgements don't overwrite a judgement effect that is on the target.

Tanking anywhere where there are runners, it's not uncommon to judge Justice on the main target, and switch to SoR for the threat boost since its judgement does not overwrite JoJ. Of course, if threat isn't an issue (and someone is snaring so you don't have runners) you've likely got judgement of wisdom (or light) up anyway.

As far as how many mobs you could potentially Judge and keep them all up.... What's your weapon speed? If you were fighting mobs that don't stun/knock back/whatever, and you aren't parrying constantly (resetting attack timer each time) and all of the other factors that adjust your attack speed were taken into account... How many mobs could you (potentially) cycle through in the ammount of time that you have before your effects wear off? Now this doesn't hold true for the effects of SoV since it is a chance on hit, but every hit *will* refresh your judgements. If you're running on the train of thought that says "but the SoV stacking effect *is* a judgement, isn't it?" that will seem kind of strange. Again, the SoV effect is just a chance on hit effect and not a judgement.

SoV will generate more threat on long fights like bosses or tough bosses. SoR will be better for quick trash.