Ok so I have watched tons of movies involving the spec. I am a numbers/facts kinda guy. What is the spec all about. I get the whole Siphon Life/ Soul Link name. And the fact that with the pup out you are a spell eating machine and he just won't die. But I want to know what spells to cast, what rotations that you use, and give me a great example in pvp how to use it. Also if you want to check out my talents that I am going for leveling here it is.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IqMMVRbzoZbxczIiz0eo
Now its not complete yet because I am wondering where the last 5 points need to go. Now mind you that is for leveling because I usually go through the Soul Shards pretty hefty when I group or summon that kinda thing. So I am going to replace the points in Imp. Drain Soul and put those in Imp. Life Tap.
You can check out my toon as he is leveling. The name is Grimmeye. Any feedback or links to a really solid spec is also appreciated. Thanks and have a great New Year.
SL/SLFollow
the spec is all about survival. you CoT on healers, CoEx on melee's that're chasing you / other arena members. corruption/CoA/siphon life on whatever you're trying to kill. oh and never dot up their healer for incase your mage poly's/rogue blinds etc...
oh and you use drain life generally to dps, though your priority over dpsing is to keep the healer CC'd / counterspelled / your team members un-CC'd etc...
oh and you use drain life generally to dps, though your priority over dpsing is to keep the healer CC'd / counterspelled / your team members un-CC'd etc...
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Hey there. I'm a 70 Lock and I've tried just about every spec, and I have to say that I think SL/SL's the way to go, easily. I saw your build and I'd honestly say that you may wanna try a 24/37/0 Build like this one I use.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRckoZbxczIiz0es
Basically the way I see SL/SL is as the best way to maxamize your DOT damage with best survivability. Now personally I like to use the Succy for the bonus damage and seduce, but that's just my playstyle. I will say, though (And I know I'll get flamed) I'm ~1.2k Spell Damage and ~18% spell crit in my current gear mix and running instances and such I do very well on damage charts with her out. CoA, Corrupt, SL, Immol, SB, SB, SB, Immol, Corrupt, you get the picture.
But, after everything, my favorite part about the build is that I can do anything I want. I'm not afraid of anyone in PVP, I do well in Kara, and I can run into a cave, DOT everything I see, and giggle while 67's fall around me and I still have more than 50% HP/MP to get an Adamantite node.
Overall it comes down to your playstyle. I'm an aggressive front-row fighter so this works for me. Siphon Life so many people that you're getting 1k hp back a tick with a pet out that's taking 20% of your taken damage and still having a maximum damage corruption, CoA, and a 3.4k critting SB ain't too shabby. I normally DOT everything I see and only stop to burn down healers with DOT's, Immol, and SB.
The SL/SL is a very overwhelming build and if you're thinking of going that route I highly suggest 24/37.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRckoZbxczIiz0es
Basically the way I see SL/SL is as the best way to maxamize your DOT damage with best survivability. Now personally I like to use the Succy for the bonus damage and seduce, but that's just my playstyle. I will say, though (And I know I'll get flamed) I'm ~1.2k Spell Damage and ~18% spell crit in my current gear mix and running instances and such I do very well on damage charts with her out. CoA, Corrupt, SL, Immol, SB, SB, SB, Immol, Corrupt, you get the picture.
But, after everything, my favorite part about the build is that I can do anything I want. I'm not afraid of anyone in PVP, I do well in Kara, and I can run into a cave, DOT everything I see, and giggle while 67's fall around me and I still have more than 50% HP/MP to get an Adamantite node.
Overall it comes down to your playstyle. I'm an aggressive front-row fighter so this works for me. Siphon Life so many people that you're getting 1k hp back a tick with a pet out that's taking 20% of your taken damage and still having a maximum damage corruption, CoA, and a 3.4k critting SB ain't too shabby. I normally DOT everything I see and only stop to burn down healers with DOT's, Immol, and SB.
The SL/SL is a very overwhelming build and if you're thinking of going that route I highly suggest 24/37.
Shadow Embrace no longer counts as an Affliction effect and doesn't work with the Soul Siphon talent. Or did they change it back?
And I have my doubts about Curse of Exhaustion. I really can't see its purpose in neither PvE nor PvP.
And I have my doubts about Curse of Exhaustion. I really can't see its purpose in neither PvE nor PvP.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
No, Shadow Embrace is still an affliction effect that adds 4% to Soul Siphon.
It was changed to not proc abilities, talents, and items that are procced from spells being cast. Various Darkmoon cards, especially.
It was changed to not proc abilities, talents, and items that are procced from spells being cast. Various Darkmoon cards, especially.
Really? The patch notes say:
There was some debate about it back then, but I don't recall what it settled with. Having Googled the issue a bit I found a thread on the O-boards where someone tested it out. Apparently you're right.
Need to respec now. Crap.
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Shadow Embrace: This talent's effect can no longer trigger other effects.
There was some debate about it back then, but I don't recall what it settled with. Having Googled the issue a bit I found a thread on the O-boards where someone tested it out. Apparently you're right.
Need to respec now. Crap.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
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And I have my doubts about Curse of Exhaustion. I really can't see its purpose in neither PvE nor PvP.
For 1 talent point I don't see why you wouldn't grab it. It's handy when you're running away from rogues, but I use it more in arena to save my priest partner's *** from a rogue or warrior. He can heal on the run, but since we both share the same CC that annoying DR comes up quickly. So when I see a melee person on my priest, I usually fear then CoEx.
I love this spec for PVP - http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRbkoZbxczIizzes
Edited, Jan 19th 2008 7:40pm by mikelolol
mikelolol wrote:
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And I have my doubts about Curse of Exhaustion. I really can't see its purpose in neither PvE nor PvP.
For 1 talent point I don't see why you wouldn't grab it. It's handy when you're running away from rogues, but I use it more in arena to save my priest partner's *** from a rogue or warrior. He can heal on the run, but since we both share the same CC that annoying DR comes up quickly. So when I see a melee person on my priest, I usually fear then CoEx.
I love this spec for PVP - http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRbkoZbxczIizzes
Edited, Jan 19th 2008 7:40pm by mikelolol
If the Rogue doesn't have Crippling Poison on, sure, but you show me one of those and then we'll start from there.
Almost every class in the game has a core ability to stop or slow down an opponent:
Warrior: Hamstring, Intercept, (Intimidating Shout?).
Druid: Entangling Roots (not to mention Travel form).
Shaman: Earthbind Totem, Frost Shock (and Ghost Wolf).
Paladin: Hammer of Justice, Seal of Justice (judged rank 2).
Mage: Frostbolt, Frost Nova, Cone of Cold.
Rogue: Blind, Gouge, Deadly Throw, Crippling Poison, Kidney Shot.
That leaves the Priest and Warlock. Seeing as how we're the Warlock, the only class we could actually escape from would be the Priest class. So that's why I wouldn't grab it even if it only costs 1 talent point (+1 for Amplify Curse).
You only get so many talent points in this game. Spending them on stuff that might be somewhat useful in a specific situation based on the opponent's talent build doesn't exactly make much sense to me. The two talent points spent on Amplify Curse and Curse of Exhaustion could go into Nightfall instead (looking at the talent build I quoted).
I'll take an instant Shadow Bolt over a 50% movement decrease anytime.
For the record, yes, I've tried slapping an Improved Curse of Exhaustion on a Rogue, but his Crippling Poison slows my movement speed to 30% of my normal speed while an Improved Curse of Exhaustion only slows him down to 50% movement speed.
And then there's this Rogue ability called Cloak of Shadows which works great in combination with Sprint and Vanish.
Edited, Jan 20th 2008 3:42am by Mazra
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CoE's very useful to me. I know you mentioned the Hamstring, etc, but I use it with my DC. Death Coil > CoE = Kite.
War's can intercept, but I use Imp CoE after I DC and they're slower than their Intercept > Hamstring.
I find it to be very useful in certain PVP situations like slowing down a mounted rider, flag carrier, etc.
War's can intercept, but I use Imp CoE after I DC and they're slower than their Intercept > Hamstring.
I find it to be very useful in certain PVP situations like slowing down a mounted rider, flag carrier, etc.
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I'll take an instant Shadow Bolt over a 50% movement decrease anytime.
For the record, yes, I've tried slapping an Improved Curse of Exhaustion on a Rogue, but his Crippling Poison slows my movement speed to 30% of my normal speed while an Improved Curse of Exhaustion only slows him down to 50% movement speed.
And then there's this Rogue ability called Cloak of Shadows which works great in combination with Sprint and Vanish.
Who specs SL/SL and doesn't take nightfall? Of course the build I linked has it, thats a core affliction talent. So is CoEx.
I don't even know what we're talking about here, in arena you have teammates, who if they aren't terrible are watching eachothers asses. If none of your teammates can stun/sheep/fear a rogue off you for 2-3 seconds, allowing you to buy room to move and apply CoEx, find some new teammates. If none of your partners can cure poison/heal through damage/BoP you, again find new teammates.
If a rogue gets on your teammate, help them out, fear them off and CoEx. Make them blow cooldowns early, stay alive through the burst and win when they're out of cooldowns and screwed over.
I showed you my build, and the build every SL/SL lock uses. Show me what you would take over amp curse and coex, because all I see is 2 pts empowered corruption or shadow mastery. In both cases for PVP I'd much rather stay alive then do like 150 extra damage on my corruptions.
Edited, Jan 20th 2008 12:33am by mikelolol
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Ok so I have watched tons of movies involving the spec. I am a numbers/facts kinda guy. What is the spec all about. I get the whole Siphon Life/ Soul Link name. And the fact that with the pup out you are a spell eating machine and he just won't die. But I want to know what spells to cast, what rotations that you use, and give me a great example in pvp how to use it. Also if you want to check out my talents that I am going for leveling here it is.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq...ZbxczIiz0eo
Now its not complete yet because I am wondering where the last 5 points need to go. Now mind you that is for leveling because I usually go through the Soul Shards pretty hefty when I group or summon that kinda thing. So I am going to replace the points in Imp. Drain Soul and put those in Imp. Life Tap.
You can check out my toon as he is leveling. The name is Grimmeye. Any feedback or links to a really solid spec is also appreciated. Thanks and have a great New Year.
At first I was like "why did he take imp drain soul over imp life tap", then I read your post. Fair enough. At least you'll be switching it at 70. Assuming that, you're on the right track. You have 5 points left to spend (after swapping drain soul for life tap), so
- 1/3 mana feed. I LOL @ locks who let their felhunter go OOM in arena. Usually for something stupid like a single point in empowered corruption. Most of them don't know how to devour fear off themselves anyway so moot point. Take the point in mana feed.
- 1/5 shadow embrace - drain more life, make dispellers burn more mana dispelling, single point, double win
- 3/3 demonic knowledge - I get like 160 spell damage from these 3 points in my PVP gear. 3 points, 160 spell damage, where do I sign up?
Doh, sorry, mikelolol. I was looking at FallenCanti's build when I posted that.
Edit: CoEx might be marginally useful in the Arena, but for Battlegrounds it's nigh useless. At least from what I've experienced. There are simply too many ways to remove it or negate the effect, plus, a 50% decrease (Amplified) is pathetic compared to what other classes get as core abilities.
Edited, Jan 20th 2008 1:50pm by Mazra
Edit: CoEx might be marginally useful in the Arena, but for Battlegrounds it's nigh useless. At least from what I've experienced. There are simply too many ways to remove it or negate the effect, plus, a 50% decrease (Amplified) is pathetic compared to what other classes get as core abilities.
Edited, Jan 20th 2008 1:50pm by Mazra
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Yeah, people are always praising Nightfall, but it never ever procs for me. Once in a blue moon, maybe. And that's with blanketed DOT's. Maybe I'll give it another shot 'cause in arena there really isn't a need for CoE over straight damage output.
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