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#27 Jan 04 2008 at 1:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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RodStorm wrote:
Its the spell cast time for frostbolt that kills me, I havent increased it through my talents as I didnt think 0.5 sec increase even stacked 5 times would make a difference all that much.


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Go. Respec. Now.

It's pretty much the single biggest increase in damage that Frostbolt can get when you math it out.
#28 Jan 04 2008 at 2:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok maybe I'am thinking this the wrong way, less hits equals more damage with frost spec whereas arcane is more hits less damage?
I'am just worried about getting smashed at close range waiting to cast frostbolt whereas arcane missle is instant.
I got the frostbolt spec wrong, its 0.1 per talent up tp 5 so is really half a second save in cast time that big a deal?
I really dont know, I'am not being smart.
If I can suss this out properly I'll go and respec tonight to full frost but I'am still a bit of wary of how I'll go using a slower cast spell.
Thanks for the help guys, this is only going to make me a better mage so I appreciate it.
#29 Jan 04 2008 at 4:06 AM Rating: Good
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RodStorm wrote:
Ok maybe I'am thinking this the wrong way, less hits equals more damage with frost spec whereas arcane is more hits less damage?


Yes. And you should not be getting hit as a frost mage. At least not often. You have more than enough ability to make sure that doesn't happen.

Between the range increase, enhanced snaring(Permafrost), proc rooting(Frostbite) and on demand root(frost nova), the enemy shouldn't touch you more than twice on a given single mob pull, unless it's a ranged attacker. We wear tissue paper for armor. We're not meant to take a beating.

Edited, Jan 4th 2008 5:15am by Poldaran
#30 Jan 04 2008 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok maybe I'am thinking this the wrong way, less hits equals more damage with frost spec whereas arcane is more hits less damage?
I'am just worried about getting smashed at close range waiting to cast frostbolt whereas arcane missle is instant.
I got the frostbolt spec wrong, its 0.1 per talent up tp 5 so is really half a second save in cast time that big a deal?


Yes the speed differential is significant given the centrality of frostbolt in the rotation.

When I am frost specced (and I leveled mostly as frost, although now I tend to bounce back and forth between all three specs depending on my mood), I generally start with frostbolt 2-3 times, when mob is close to being on me then frost nova and strafe, then more frostbolts until dead, or perhaps a fire blast at the end if I'm being impatient and inefficient about things. Pretty mana efficient, you don't take any damage at all if you time the nova correctly, and very good for farming or that kind of thing. As frost, you do mega damage against any target that is frozen, so the goal is to freeze your targets as often as possible -- it's offense as well as defense. Between frost nova, your ice barrier shield and your water elemental, you shouldn't be taking any hits as a frost mage at all.

The arcane spells are very mana inefficient. The only feasible way to use them a lot is if you are arcane specced and have a lot of the arcane talents, but even then it's quite a bit less mana efficient than either a frost or fire spec (but great fun for an occasional offspec).
#31 Jan 04 2008 at 6:51 AM Rating: Decent
rodstorm is there anyway you could post a link to your characters armory or give us your toons name and server. I really want to help you fellow mage but the smoke screen you've laid down with your posts has me so confused. If we/I could just look at your character we could literally hold your hand thru gear and spec set up. Also I'm guessing your not 70 yet judging by some of your posts and I need to know are you a solo'r or do you prefer to run instances?. By knowing this all of us could find a build to better suit your needs for what your doing and go into more detail about that build and the spell rotation. At any rate If you are willing to do this we'll refine DPS skills and hopefully clear the smoke since there are more issues going on here then just "tailored armour".

cheers

Edited, Jan 4th 2008 9:52am by lysrgk
#32 Jan 04 2008 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys thanks for the help.

Like I said before I'am a hunter living in a mage's body at the moment but I enjoy my mage so much more that I havent played my hunter in monthes.

I play on the Khaz'Goroth server and my mages name is Thunderangel.

By the sounds yes I have been playing wrong, I'll take the advice given and try a different plan of attack but of course I'am open to your suggestions and help.
I only want to be a better player but my perception of what I should be doing has been wrong.

I've been making it up as I go along and its obvious now I got it wrong.

I havent done many instances this around as I've been trying to lvl a bit quicker so I feel thats a weak point in my game at the moment.

I have taken up tailoring and will spec out in Froden Shadoweave armour for sure with Battlecast set as well.
Armour wise where I'am stuck now is gloves, I brought a pair of Soulcloth gloves but not so sure now that was the right way to go.

Here are my current stats anyway:

Stamina 404 (6121)
Int. 406 (7537)
Spirit 146
Armour 1781
Bonus Damage 256
Crit. chance 9.47%%
Penetration 10
Mana regen 126

For the most part my Int. has been double my Sta. throughout the game but it changes of course with buffs and different armour stats.
Its only been in the later lvls where it has increased significantly.

Thanks again for the help and the steer in the right direction, you guys are great.

ps..Have respec'd to full frost talents, noticable difference with frostbolt :)
I ran Blood Furnace and had no worries at all, quested a bit and have hardly been hit.
This is a bit different to what I'am used to but I feel I'am playing a true mage now.


Edited, Jan 5th 2008 4:44am by RodStorm

Edited, Jan 5th 2008 4:46am by RodStorm
#33 Jan 05 2008 at 12:12 AM Rating: Good
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You got good advice so far, but I would strongly suggest to get the Spellfire set over the Battlecast set esp if you want to PvE more.

Sure while the Battlecast set has the better base stats on it, the Spellstrike set is well.. a lot better I guess in the long run is a good way to put it? Esp. if you went tailor and can get the set bonus's.

In PvE that 5% knockback resist and interupt well.. yeah is alot less that +92 damage. Also the only thing on the Battlecast is the + damage, while spellstrike gives you a decent chunk of +hit and +crit also on top of the +damage chance. While the +crit isn't as important to frost as it is fire.. it still means you have an even grater chance to land those 4k+ crits on frozen targets.

A couple good questions in gear choice's would depend on what KIND of PvE you plan on doing? Farming, Normal/Heroic 5 man's, Raiding? And if raiding are you 100% dead set on frost always? Even if you ever decide to go heavy Arcane at some point, the Spellfire set is a better choice cause of the crit.

I have always considered Battlecast more of a SPriest/Lock armor than Mage gear. Though even the tailor Locks in my guild wear/wore Spellfire instead of it.

Alas the Spellstrike IS a chunk more expensive that Battlecast which might be a deterant. Though if you don't mind the waiting, since you did go tailoring, and plan on staying frost at least for a large amount of time, save you spellcloth and have it made when you get the pieces together.



#34 Jan 05 2008 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm...Spellstrike has better firepower stats than Battlecast armour but Battlecast has more stam and int.
Even with gems Spellstrike wouldnt match up but it does have the firepower.
Geez I'am confused again lol which way to go.
I do know that for shoulders, boots and chest I'am going Frozen Shadoweave so I get the set bonus as well but the hood, pants and gloves I'am stuck with.
The girdle of ruination is a must have as well.
So guys Spellstrike or Battlecast?
Do I keep my Soulcloth gloves or put them back on the AH?
I brought a Lola's Eve ring dirt cheap, 350g, so hanging onto that one.
Just need the necklace now.
Thanks for the help.

Edited, Jan 5th 2008 3:26pm by RodStorm
#35 Jan 05 2008 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
If you want to do PvE we like to control and follow the path of being glass cannons. So we use Spellstrike, which has lets PvP stats (int/stam) but more PvE stats (+hit, +dmg) as they are far better for raiding.

For gloves, that is a tough decision, if you wanted to you could use wow-loot.com and see what would fit into your means of earning through instances or PvP.

Edited, Jan 5th 2008 10:58am by Anobix
#36 Jan 06 2008 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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After a bit more research I decided to go with the Frozen Shadoweave and Spellstrike armour after the advice I got.

I'am right in assuming damage/crit over stam and int, this is why I chose Spellstrike over Battlecast.

But for the head theres the Crown of the Seawitch as well, good stats and a lot cheaper.
I wont get set bonus if I get this but is it any good?
I'am going to stay frost and wont be changing that spec although I've read in the later instances frost isnt comsidered a good spec for casters damage wise.
When I ran the Blood Furnace yesterday someone had a damage done addon that told everyone of each others damage done per mob, out of the 5, 2 pally's, a hunter and a priest, I came last virtually each time.
The other dps'ers I can understand but I should have beaten the priest.
So that was a concern.
When I add gems do I look at stam gems as well as spell crit/damage gems plus added int. when I can find the right slot?
Does a mage have a preference, should I bulk up on int. or concentrate on spell damage/crit?
Thanks guys.


Edited, Jan 6th 2008 9:31am by RodStorm

Edited, Jan 6th 2008 12:48pm by RodStorm
#37 Jan 06 2008 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good
RodStorm wrote:
After a bit more research I decided to go with the Frozen Shadoweave and Spellstrike armour after the advice I got.

I'am right in assuming damage/crit over stam and int, this is why I chose Spellstrike over Battlecast.

But for the head theres the Crown of the Seawitch as well, good stats and a lot cheaper.
I wont get set bonus if I get this but is it any good?
I'am going to stay frost and wont be changing that spec although I've read in the later instances frost isnt comsidered a good spec for casters damage wise.
When I ran the Blood Furnace yesterday someone had a damage done addon that told everyone of each others damage done per mob, out of the 5, 2 pally's, a hunter and a priest, I came last virtually each time.
The other dps'ers I can understand but I should have beaten the priest.
So that was a concern.
When I add gems do I look at stam gems as well as spell crit/damage gems plus added int. when I can find the right slot?
Does a mage have a preference, should I bulk up on int. or concentrate on spell damage/crit?
Thanks guys.


Edited, Jan 6th 2008 9:31am by RodStorm

Edited, Jan 6th 2008 12:48pm by RodStorm


It depends on whether it is PvE or PvP. PvP you want stam + resilience. PvE you want +spelldmg/+spellhit
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