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#1 Dec 31 2007 at 11:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I was looking at getting some Whitemend armour or Battlecast armour made up when I read somewhere if your not a Tailor you wont get the full benefit of its attributes.
Anyone can wear it but only Tailors get the real deal with it.
Is that true?
Is it the same for Spellstrike and Soulcloth armour as well?
Can anyone wear any of these armours and get its full usage or are Tailors the only ones who can get full benefit from them?
Thanks.
#2 Jan 01 2008 at 12:08 AM Rating: Good
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Spellstrike, Battlecast, and Whitemend are all like that.

Spellfire, Frozen Shadoweave, and Primal Mooncloth all require you be a tailor to wear.

I don't think Soulcloth has any requirements(nor can I remember any set bonuses). Edit: It does have a set bonus(nothing massive) but no requirements to use it.

Edited, Jan 1st 2008 1:14am by Poldaran
#3 Jan 01 2008 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the reply but I got a little lost, Spellstrike, Battlecast and Whitemend are all like what?
Unless your a Tailor you wont get full benefit?
Thanks for the reply again.
#4 Jan 02 2008 at 5:54 AM Rating: Good
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I believe Pol was trying to say that Spellstrike, Battlecast, and Whitemend were all wearable by anyone, while the other armor sets, Spellfire, Frozen Shadoweave, and Primal Mooncloth all require you be a tailor to wear.

FYI, you could look this up easily in the 'search' window to the left.
#5 Jan 02 2008 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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RodStorm wrote:
Thanks for the reply but I got a little lost, Spellstrike, Battlecast and Whitemend are all like what?
Unless your a Tailor you wont get full benefit?
Thanks for the reply again.


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I was looking at getting some Whitemend armour or Battlecast armour made up when I read somewhere if your not a Tailor you wont get the full benefit of its attributes.


Like that. Specifically, you can't get the set bonuses.
#6 Jan 02 2008 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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No problem mate, I just want the helm for now and maybe the pants later, the set stats arent a biggie.
I was looking at the Crown of the Sea Witch as well, it seems cheaper and with the right gems would have close stats but not as much firepower.
I still think the Battlecast is the way to go but damn its not cheap.
Anyone with the Sea Witch able to give me any ideas on it as well as the Battlecast, just interested to see what people have done with the sockets.
Then my other concern is when I do higher instances something better may drop and there goes 1000g.
Then I guess to get to the higher drops you need good equiptment to start with :)
Is this a valid concern, is there to much out there that is that much better?
Thanks for the help.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 1:53am by RodStorm

Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 1:57am by RodStorm
#7 Jan 02 2008 at 9:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Then my other concern is when I do higher instances something better may drop and there goes 1000g.
Then I guess to get to the higher drops you need good equiptment to start with :)
Is this a valid concern, is there to much out there that is that much better?


Well, considering how long it would be before you do upgrade Frozen Shadoweave/Spellfire, I wouldn't fret too much on it. You're looking at some heavy duty raid instances for when your upgrades drop, and even then there is no guarantee that they will, and if there are other mages with you, they always have a shot at getting it as well.

Judging from the time frame that it will take to get to the point where you can actually get the upgrades (T5+), I wouldn't worry too much about it.

And short of the arena gear, you really aren't going to find much better gear than the epic tailoring stuff, and even then, it's situational. If you're Frost, for example, and let's say you have the full shibang with Shadow's Embrace, but you get an itching to go fire, then you save yourself a lot of money by having the Arena stuff (figuring in time it takes to farm the mats for Spellfire, plus the respec cost and the cost to drop Frozen Shadoweave Tailoring to take of Spellfire Tailoring)
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#8 Jan 02 2008 at 10:53 PM Rating: Good
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Then my other concern is when I do higher instances something better may drop and there goes 1000g.
Then I guess to get to the higher drops you need good equiptment to start with :)
Is this a valid concern, is there to much out there that is that much better?


Well, considering how long it would be before you do upgrade Frozen Shadoweave/Spellfire, I wouldn't fret too much on it. You're looking at some heavy duty raid instances for when your upgrades drop, and even then there is no guarantee that they will, and if there are other mages with you, they always have a shot at getting it as well.

Judging from the time frame that it will take to get to the point where you can actually get the upgrades (T5+), I wouldn't worry too much about it.

And short of the arena gear, you really aren't going to find much better gear than the epic tailoring stuff, and even then, it's situational. If you're Frost, for example, and let's say you have the full shibang with Shadow's Embrace, but you get an itching to go fire, then you save yourself a lot of money by having the Arena stuff (figuring in time it takes to farm the mats for Spellfire, plus the respec cost and the cost to drop Frozen Shadoweave Tailoring to take of Spellfire Tailoring)


if only the arena gear was better for raiding... (no spellhit)
#9 Jan 02 2008 at 11:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Anobix wrote:
if only the arena gear was better for raiding... (no spellhit)


Except for the weapon.
#10 Jan 03 2008 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks guys for the help, all taken on aboard, now all I have to do is figure out what combination of armour to get that will be suitable and achievable to get at 70 before I go to the higher instances.

I have a frost mage and will stay that way but use arcane as my main offense.
I'am going to try and get everything I need crafted that way at least I know I can get it.

Drops are great but like you said before if there are 2 cloth wearers the other guy always seems to beat you to everything or wins the rolls.
So if I have it crafted I cant lose.

After a bit of research this is what I come up with:

Battlecast Hood, Manaweave Cloak, Girdle of Ruination,Boots of Blasting,but now I'am stuck with a choice on the following so some advice would be great.

Frozen Shadoweave Robe or Soulcloth Vest, Mantle of Nimble Thought / Soulcloth Shoulders /Frozen Shadoweave Shoulders, Battlecast Pants or Spellstrike Pants.

Thats pretty much it.

Thanks again for the help guys, really appreciate it.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 9:15am by RodStorm
#11 Jan 03 2008 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Anobix wrote:
if only the arena gear was better for raiding... (no spellhit)


Except for the weapon.


which makes perfect sense, imo...
#12 Jan 03 2008 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
If you want PvE get the spellstrike set, battlecast is a bit better for PvP.

Get the full frozen shadoweave set, the set bonus isn't that great for mages, but the stats are good.

#13 Jan 03 2008 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I read somewhere that to wear Frozen Shadoweave gear, ie: the robe and shoulders I'am wanting, you have to be a tailor in that field to be able to wear them.
If your not you cant.
I would hate to spend the money to find out I couldnt wear them, I'am not a tailor, I do alch and herb.
But they are my first choice for those 2 slots if I can wear them.

So final outfit would be:

Boots of Blasting
Manaweave Cloak
Girdle of Ruination
Battlecast Pants
Frozen Shadoweave Robe (if I can wear it) (Soulcloth Vest as replacement)
Battlecast Hood
Frozen Shadoweave Shoulders (if I can wear them) (Mantle of Nimble Thought as replacement)
Bracers of Nimble Thought.

I'am a Frost Mage but use arcane as primary.
I also pve and very seldom pvp and visit the battlegrounds.
Goal is to be strong enough spec wise to hold up in later instances.

For those more experienced than me please have a look at what I listed and your advise and opinion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks :)

Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 4:13pm by RodStorm
#14 Jan 03 2008 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I read somewhere that to wear Frozen Shadoweave gear, ie: the robe and shoulders I'am wanting, you have to be a tailor in that field to be able to wear them.
If your not you cant.


Not only that, but you have to be a Shadoweave-specced tailor to wear them. My mage, for example, is a spellfire tailor, and can't make or wear the Frozen Shadoweave stuff unless I were to unlearn spellfire and relearn shadoweave (and not be able to wear either of them until I had completed making a shadoweave set).

Blizzard made the tailoring a bit of a pain, tbh.
#15 Jan 03 2008 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
RodStorm wrote:
I have a frost mage and will stay that way but use arcane as my main offense.
Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 9:15am by RodStorm


I'm so confused with you gear selection, You use arcane as your damage yet you chose the Shadoweave set? the spellfire set adds + arcane damage. Also stay away from soul cloth and and battlecast sets you will just replace them. You only gain a bonus from the tailored " sets" if you have the whole "set" equiped don't mix and match items . My suggestions would be this craft the spellfire and spellstrike sets and fill in the blanks with the latest BG gear (vinidcator's) until you start raiding 25 mans and even then the vindicators is comparable. Also by choosing spellfire it will give you a little more flexibility early on IE it covers arcane and fire damage where as the shadow weave is only useful to mages for ice .

happy tailoring!



Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 11:30am by lysrgk
#16 Jan 03 2008 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
Professor gwynhara wrote:
Blizzard made the tailoring a bit of a pain, tbh.


IMO tailoring is the easiest trade I dont see any pain in it. All the mats required for the specializations are easily obtainable via farming.

Lets compare it to weaponsmiths and blacksmiths specialists who need nether vortex's for there epic weapons and armor. Your screwed in a sense if you not in a top end raiding guild. Now that is a bit of a pain if you ask me.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 11:59am by lysrgk
#17 Jan 03 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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IMO tailoring is the easiest trade I dont see any pain in it. All the mats required for the specializations are easily obtainable via farming.


It's a pain that you can't wear the gear outside of your spec -- that's what I was referring to, not the grinding of the mats part, which I agree is fairly easy. The other part that is a pain is the cooldown aspect, but that is manageable if you have other tailors you are guilded or friends with and you work as a team rolling over your cooldowns.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 12:24pm by gwynhara
#18 Jan 03 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
Professor gwynhara wrote:

It's a pain that you can't wear the gear outside of your spec -- that's what I was referring to.
Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 12:24pm by gwynhara


IC but doesn't that defeat the purpose of making trades specialized.
#19 Jan 03 2008 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Not necessarily, no. It could be arranged such that only a specced tailor could make a certain kind of gear, but that any tailor could wear it (or even a non-tailor). That would still provide an advantage for people who are specced a certain way (they can make their own gear) while not literally freezing everyone else out of that gear.
#20 Jan 03 2008 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Professor gwynhara wrote:
Not necessarily, no. It could be arranged such that only a specced tailor could make a certain kind of gear, but that any tailor could wear it (or even a non-tailor). That would still provide an advantage for people who are specced a certain way (they can make their own gear) while not literally freezing everyone else out of that gear.


I wish blizz would do this. It really sucks that I made the fsw set then switched to fire and made the spellfire set. Blizz should let us wear both sets. Only tailors can make them, so whats the big deal?
#21 Jan 03 2008 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
As other posters have asked, how are you a frost mage but use arcane spells primarily?
#22 Jan 03 2008 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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As other posters have asked, how are you a frost mage but use arcane spells primarily?


I suppose, in theory, you could take certain Frost talents but still use the Arcane damage spells as your main nukes....

For example: THE WORST ARCANE/FROST BUILD EVAH~!

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=o0xVf0fZZbhRhscesiRz

You get Ice Block, Barrier, and the Elemental....and ZERO utility in it.

Damn, even though at times Armory said I was Arcane I still used Frost as my main nuke :\
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#23 Jan 03 2008 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks guy, great feedback.
But now I'am confused lol.
I spec in frost and have used all my talents point so far to fill in the talent tree.
I have only used 10 talent points or so in the arcane tree.
I use frost to slow and hold my targets then arcane to attack as I find it faster than any repetitive damage frost can do.
Then ice barrier if they get to close.
Arcane missles seem quicker than any frost attack I've seen.
So I use the 2 in tandem that way.
I have a 70 hunter so although my mage is 65 I'am still unsure 100% if my plan of attack is right.
Its got me this far so it does work.
But I'am very open to any other suggestions just not critisms.
I know all the armour I'am asking about is lvl70 so I'am getting ready now so when I hit 70 I'll have it.
I mixed and matched different styles to get what I thought was a geater spec group than just a full set of one garment.
Not all the set bonuses are that good.
But am I looking at that in the wrong way?
Frozen Shadoweave is good for frost mages so I'am leaning towards that one to use with Battlecast as I think Battlecast has good stats for hood and pants.
I'am going to drop one of my trades and do tailoring and spec so I can make my own Frozen Shadoweave as I found out its bop when you make it.
I thought about Spellstrike and its still an easier option but I dont think the stats are as good as Frozen.
I dont use the BG much so thats not really an option.
I appreciate the help guys, it will only make me a better player, so your advice is more than helpful.
#24 Jan 03 2008 at 9:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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RodStorm wrote:
I use frost to slow and hold my targets then arcane to attack as I find it faster than any repetitive damage frost can do.


The damage from frost comes from a lot of things. Things arcane doesn't have anything near the equivalent of if you're only 10 points in arcane.

1)Shatter crits(the more you cast frostbolt, the more often you'll get frostbite procs).
2)Higher number of crits in general.
3)Higher crit damage bonus(100% vs 50%)

It's also much more mana efficient. There is no reason to cast AM as a deep frost mage unless something is immune to your frost spells.
#25 Jan 03 2008 at 10:54 PM Rating: Good
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
RodStorm wrote:
I use frost to slow and hold my targets then arcane to attack as I find it faster than any repetitive damage frost can do.


The damage from frost comes from a lot of things. Things arcane doesn't have anything near the equivalent of if you're only 10 points in arcane.

1)Shatter crits(the more you cast frostbolt, the more often you'll get frostbite procs).
2)Higher number of crits in general.
3)Higher crit damage bonus(100% vs 50%)

It's also much more mana efficient. There is no reason to cast AM as a deep frost mage unless something is immune to your frost spells.


perfectly put.
#26 Jan 04 2008 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the replies, so if I use frostbolt repeatively instead of arcane missle I'll do more damage?
But it wont be quicker right?
Its the spell cast time for frostbolt that kills me, I havent increased it through my talents as I didnt think 0.5 sec increase even stacked 5 times would make a difference all that much.
I use arcane because its pretty much instant cast and instant damage.
I have shatter set to 5 talent points, I'll try using frostbolt as primary attack and see what happens.
So I cast frostbolt once or twice, then when mob is close by use frostnova, move back and hammer again with frostbolt, cast ice barrier and then finish off with frostbolt?
Is that the way to go?
If I retrain talents and put 5 points into cast time for frostbolt it will make that much difference?
I ended up dropping herbalism and took up tailoring, up to 211 so far so still a little way to go :)
Thanks for the help guys, really appreciate your advice.
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