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#1 Dec 31 2007 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
Tree of Life form is great! I always receive comments on how my healing is awesome in BG's and when I instance and what not but, I hate the fact that I can not protect myself in BG's. I feel that I get way less honor. For example my friend *a prot pally* and me do the same av's together and he will have at least 2000 more honor than me. Can get a little frustrating. Also I am my guild's only 70 healer and I'm still learning because I was balance before and not really into the whole tree way of healing. I almost have it perfected, but my questions I have for this is in my spec since now I can cast HT in tree form is it a necessity to have it? or should i pour any points that can not be used in ToL into balance. I'm trying the whole ToL and feral but I don't think there is enough points to put in feral to get enough out of it....buy maybe because I have my points in HT talents that I could put those to use in the feral tree. But also I think maybe its kinda given to put the rest in balance because you will have spell damage already so along with putting points to speed up cast times with wrath and starfire, you can at least DPS some and not be just a healer and nothing else.

Now the real frustration, like I said above I'm still learning how to heal. But even if you knew everything there is to know about healing like in instances, there will still be someone always upset. Like last night my guild did Slabs and on the last boss we wiped like 6 times. Minor mistakes was our fall and we finally got it, but I feel to heal the tank is more important. also if they can bandage, why not? It saves me mana. Also towards the end I was going OOM *have like 8000 mana buffed* and that was after using innervate and a mana pot. So I get the complaints from the dps'ers like "you need to keep me healed at least put a bloom on me " but its like whos more important here? Clothies die so fast, and i do have battle rez but who gets it? My frustration is the whole who is more important factor. I can deal with them getting mad at me because in the end, i can always respec and **** them off and they are stuck w/o a healer. But i want to be a better healer plus its easy to find groups when you are :D...*and they are all my RL friends :P*

So yeah I'm done venting, any input or criticism is appreciated. I am still learning. Also sorry in advance if I repeated myself or if I do not make any sense.
#2 Dec 31 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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As far as healing in an instance, the tank should be the main one to heal imo. If the tank is doing his job, and the DPSers are doing theirs, the tank should really be the only one taking major damage.

I'm a bit confused on your BG comment though. Honor really isn't based on the amount of healing you do. It's more based on kills from your group and the overall honor at the end. Is it that he is getting more kills than you?
#3 Dec 31 2007 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
yeah i would guess so. i mean the only kills i get are if im around anyone that dies. I usually go on O in AV but idk, I'm working on the glad set and its very hard to farm honor especially if we lose :(. last night i lost 4 games in a row.
#4 Dec 31 2007 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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As far as healing in an instance, the tank should be the main one to heal imo. If the tank is doing his job, and the DPSers are doing theirs, the tank should really be the only one taking major damage.

I'm a bit confused on your BG comment though. Honor really isn't based on the amount of healing you do. It's more based on kills from your group and the overall honor at the end. Is it that he is getting more kills than you?


Nice, my rate up made you turn blue =].
#5 Dec 31 2007 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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As far as healing in an instance, the tank should be the main one to heal imo. If the tank is doing his job, and the DPSers are doing theirs, the tank should really be the only one taking major damage.

I'm a bit confused on your BG comment though. Honor really isn't based on the amount of healing you do. It's more based on kills from your group and the overall honor at the end. Is it that he is getting more kills than you?


Nice, my rate up made you turn blue =].
#6 Dec 31 2007 at 12:01 PM Rating: Default
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As far as healing in an instance, the tank should be the main one to heal imo. If the tank is doing his job, and the DPSers are doing theirs, the tank should really be the only one taking major damage.

I'm a bit confused on your BG comment though. Honor really isn't based on the amount of healing you do. It's more based on kills from your group and the overall honor at the end. Is it that he is getting more kills than you?


Nice, my rate up made you turn blue =].
#7 Dec 31 2007 at 1:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would say a paladin gets more honor than you because they are friggin impossible to kill, thus get honor for a very long time in a battle before they go down, while you (and I mean me, really :P) get 2 shotted and when you get back to the battle, it's over and the honor has been awarded.

That's my experience anyway. Gotta get more of that pvp stuff to make me harder to kill.

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#8 Jan 02 2008 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
One thing in AV - If you are on Offense, there would be plenty of times when you don't get that many HK's. A lot of your work is against the NPC's.

If you really want to get honor, then defense gets you into the thick of PvP action in AV. One healer can make a MASSIVE difference on defense an you will rack up the HK's. Even though I am feral, I ususally heal in BG's (except WSG). I love having rogues going all out on me and just being able to heal through it while still healing others around me :)

#9 Jan 04 2008 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
Ha ha, I tried the whole being on defense but not by choice. I have crappy luck with AV and past 4 days i am 3 wins and 8 losses :(. But I have not seen a noticeable difference. But I agree on the making a difference on D.

Also I respec'ed and put some points in balance to help with the dmg part and not being so helpless. I really miss my Moonkin form.

Also what is the suggested + healing for Heroics? I have had people telling me at least 1.2k. right now im sitting on 999 un-buffed :P
#10 Jan 04 2008 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
I have heard of Ferals healing Heroic Shadowlabs with 850 +heal but I would imaging that was with a good, organised, disciplined group who didn't pull agro :)

Resto speccd, I would imagine 1000 +heal would be a nice spot to start. Once you start getting badges & drops, you should be able to increase it fairly easily anyway. The true answer will vary drastically depending on your group. If it is a dodgy PUG, you may need about 5000 +heal :)
#11 Jan 08 2008 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
haha right now i have 1017 plus healing right now. i think what really need to work on is my intellect. because when buffed i can pull off 8-9k and its really nice i never fear about going OOM. but when i have any less, its kinda a pain :P
#12 Feb 14 2008 at 1:07 AM Rating: Decent
As for the instance part of the post obviously keeping the tank alive is the main idea, if the tank dies your group is going to wipe. The dps is also important with around 1000 + I would think that you could keep the tank and the dps up at the same time unless you just have way too little mp/5. Just stack three lifeblooms on the tank at all times without letting them expire and a rejuvenation. While those are ticking just throw hots on the raid that are taking damage and go back and refresh the tanks hots and you should be fine.
#13 Feb 14 2008 at 3:47 AM Rating: Good
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Healing heroics is rough. I have ~1750 healing and I've been in PUGs where I can't keep the tank alive longer than 5 seconds because a) his gear sucks b) he can't build threat for bananas (yeah - was trying to be polite here ok :P ) and I pull aggro, die and then he dies.

Moral of my story? Always check the people you are PUGing with. Check their gear and watch chat. If they are talking/acting like idiots I've learnt to leave. Generally if I don't we wipe on the first pull.

p.s. I have done probably at least 50 heroics as a healer and have learnt that it's usually not the healers fault if the tank is dropping faster than a cannonball off the Empire State building. (yeah - trying to be polite again)

p.p.s Insomnia is starting to really, really suck. I can't spell anymore O.o

Edit: Point I think I'm trying to make is that ~1.3k ealing is fine for heroics as a druid. With less you will struggle I think. Also, in an heroic if the dps pull aggro they will die. Pretty simple to be dps - you have one rule: Don't pull aggro off the tank and if you do expect to die (I know that if I pull aggro on my lock that I deserve to die... or the tank is pathetic)

Edited, Feb 14th 2008 6:54am by AnotherSquirrel
#14 Feb 14 2008 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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p.s. I have done probably at least 50 heroics as a healer and have learnt that it's usually not the healers fault if the tank is dropping faster than a cannonball off the Empire State building. (yeah - trying to be polite again)

To be fair though, it's not always the tank's fault either. Personally I find that wipes happen more often because of bad DPSers than bad tanking or healing.

I see crap like that all the time. Some stupid rogue/mage/whatever goes all out right at the start before the tank can get aggro or attacks a CC'd mob or something and the tank can't get aggro back. People die and everyone ******* out the tank even though it wasn't his fault.
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#15 Feb 18 2008 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Healing heroics is rough. I have ~1750 healing and I've been in PUGs where I can't keep the tank alive longer than 5 seconds because a) his gear sucks b) he can't build threat for bananas (yeah - was trying to be polite here ok :P ) and I pull aggro, die and then he dies.

Moral of my story? Always check the people you are PUGing with. Check their gear and watch chat. If they are talking/acting like idiots I've learnt to leave. Generally if I don't we wipe on the first pull.

p.s. I have done probably at least 50 heroics as a healer and have learnt that it's usually not the healers fault if the tank is dropping faster than a cannonball off the Empire State building. (yeah - trying to be polite again)

p.p.s Insomnia is starting to really, really suck. I can't spell anymore O.o

Edit: Point I think I'm trying to make is that ~1.3k ealing is fine for heroics as a druid. With less you will struggle I think. Also, in an heroic if the dps pull aggro they will die. Pretty simple to be dps - you have one rule: Don't pull aggro off the tank and if you do expect to die (I know that if I pull aggro on my lock that I deserve to die... or the tank is pathetic)


Yeah, when i posted this i had about 1k healing now i have been through Kara once....I have a handful of epics with my new addiction of Lights Justice :D. I have to get the enchant before i use though because at the moment i have the S1 mace w/enchant 81 to healing. But now I am at 1357 healing unbuffed with a good amount of spirit and 8k mana unbuffed. I have had as much as 1441 healing with priest buff and food. But I have learned that yes, its good for the tank to build aggro first before any damage goes out so that no one else wipes....but on the other hand i usually build aggro quick when i heal :P

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To be fair though, it's not always the tank's fault either. Personally I find that wipes happen more often because of bad DPSers than bad tanking or healing.

I see crap like that all the time. Some stupid rogue/mage/whatever goes all out right at the start before the tank can get aggro or attacks a CC'd mob or something and the tank can't get aggro back. People die and everyone ******* out the tank even though it wasn't his fault.


I also agree and see that happen alot. DPS are all about who does the most damage and will usually want to bomb everything and yeah once tank loses aggro sometimes its hard to get back. now the smart thing would just to stop dps but that usually never happens :P

oh and to note when we attempted illhoof in kara i had most healing vs a pally and priest with 1.4k and 1.6k healing :D but that was once usualy im just right behind them but not first :P
#16 Feb 18 2008 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
I can point to one wipe being solely the tank's and or healer's fault. it's heroic or non heroic sethec halls last boss. 5 tries on that guy 1 time he teleports and it's on the tank with the others scattered on the other side of the room. shrug. tank walks round the pillar, the others walk round the pillar. aoe occurs and suddenly he's running towards the ranged aoe who kept dpsing and standing next to the healer. (wipe) second third and fourth try. teleports to the ranged dps/ healer group and proceeds to aoe there. 2 times out of 3 they die from not getting out of the way of aoe. last run. eveyone stacks on the tank. first teleport. 1 ranged and 1 meelee dps fall to the aoe. tank and healer survies. + one ranged. walk behind the pillar. attack until he reaches 33% life (and healer running low on mana) runs behind pillar again. tank pops out of bear ineverates healer pops tranquility for the 2 ticks that he can get before guy bumrushes and back to bear again.

Point of the story when you need to be BE SELFISH.
So long as the tank healer and 1 dps survive the aoe portions you can do him on heroic. ie @#$@ the dps as they're not important. focus on the main 2 and their aggro difference. so long as 1 out of 3 dps is alive it's viable. The point being to ignore the idiot dps if they overaggro during the aoe portions. they either get the clue eventually or they have to sit out the fight as corpses.
#17 Feb 19 2008 at 1:33 AM Rating: Decent
haha thats happened to me before :P
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