I just started an alt (druid I'm levelling with my friends druid), and as we're going through WC the hunter is saying "watch my pet's health" as I am busy keeping up our 3 other tanks (at that level, a warrior and 2 druids basically means 3 tanks and the hunter brings an off-tank to the table). As the fight wore on, I healed his pet but also noticed that MotW, thorns, and battle shout were the only buffs his pet had. So I told him to use mend pet to help me out some (since I was going OOM). He said "I'm using my mana for damage."
My response was "Let me put it this way, if I dont see mend pet up, I'm not healing your pet." I think he turned growl off at that point, because he still didn't mend pet, but I didn't heal his pet either.
My question is this - is it fair of me to do this?
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I'm surprised you were actually healing his pet. In all the instances I've run on my hunter I've had maybe 2 healers that would toss my pet a heal every so often; every other healer didn't see the point since I had a good HOT spell to take care of my pet myself allowing them to conserve their mana for the true tanks and of course those squishy mages
His pet is his responsibility, not yours. It's his job to keep it alive, which (especially with 3 tanks) involves turning growl off, setting the pet to 'passive', using mend pet, and calling the pet to his side if need be.
As far as his "I'm using my mana for damage" argument goes, let's look at the consequences:
If he goes oom, the party losses a small portion of the dps.
If you go oom, everybody dies.
settled.
As far as his "I'm using my mana for damage" argument goes, let's look at the consequences:
If he goes oom, the party losses a small portion of the dps.
If you go oom, everybody dies.
settled.
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If he goes oom, the party losses a small portion of the dps.
If you go oom, everybody dies.
If you go oom, everybody dies.
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It's completely fair of you to not have to heal his pet. Turning Growl off in an instance is one of the very FIRST lessons a hunter should learn when grouping up with people. The only time a pet should take any damage is when there is an AoE, but at that point, the pet should be called back and mended. Mend Pet was changed from a channel to a HoT for exactly that reason.
the only time you heal a pet as healer is when (goes for locks too):
The owner cant keep it alive with his/her own heals (without going OoM).
And you have mana and time to spare.
Other then that, I dont even want heals for my pet as hunter because there are more important things to do.
The owner cant keep it alive with his/her own heals (without going OoM).
And you have mana and time to spare.
Other then that, I dont even want heals for my pet as hunter because there are more important things to do.
I'll heal pets if the pet is asked to perform a specific task which benefits the group (such as off tank). I don't expect a pet to off-tank an elite without some kind of support. But if the pet is just there for dps I rarely heal the pet and leave it up to the hunter/warlock. Mend pet exists for a reason.
And when I play my hunter I make it a point to tell the healer not to heal my pet. I can usually keep him out of trouble...and he is expendable after all.
So I agree that the OP was being generous in offering to heal the pet at all.
And when I play my hunter I make it a point to tell the healer not to heal my pet. I can usually keep him out of trouble...and he is expendable after all.
So I agree that the OP was being generous in offering to heal the pet at all.
I never complain when a healer keeps my pet alive but I don't expect or even ask them too. If it's about to die and mend pet can't keep up, I pull him out of the fight until he's back up to almost full health then send him back in. The only time I want and expect healers to get involved is if my pet is having to tank something and that is rare.
Well, it WAS glitching sometimes (where an add would get pulled from 50 yards away when nobody ran anywhere near it, and in order to get that add off me we'd end up aggroing a whole extra group) so the pet WAS off-tanking. But the hunter refused to use mend pet.
On the other note, he was better than the previous hunter. Meleer with no pet.
On the other note, he was better than the previous hunter. Meleer with no pet.
To be perfectly honest, I get pissed if I see Humar get heals when he isn't tanking something. Save your damn mana for the tank and other groupmates. I can keep him up with Mend Pet, and pulling him back. If I just saved your healing **** with an Intimidate+Growl, I expect to see him get a couple of heals in gratitude, but only if he is still tanking it.
As long as he isn't tanking, save the mana. You never know when you might need it.
As long as he isn't tanking, save the mana. You never know when you might need it.
There is not much I can say that no one here hasnt said already. But here is my take.
As a low-mid level hunter and I am off tanking because the group needs me to, I humbly ask the healer to simply keep an eye on pet health. And if my pet is close to death and healer had the mana to spare and not healing at that second, please throw my pet a heal. Of course, it goes with out saying that I am using my Mend Pet the whole time.
Decent to good Hunters can be effective at off tanking through LBRS, at least thats my experience. Once you get into Outland instances, that really starts to change and it is better to use trap and CC instead of off-tanking.
This guy obviously was a selfish hunter and didnt know much about grouping. Best thing to do is explain that heal order is Tank>Players>Pets. And if you are able you can throw his pet a heal, but he should focus on keeping his pet up.
As a low-mid level hunter and I am off tanking because the group needs me to, I humbly ask the healer to simply keep an eye on pet health. And if my pet is close to death and healer had the mana to spare and not healing at that second, please throw my pet a heal. Of course, it goes with out saying that I am using my Mend Pet the whole time.
Decent to good Hunters can be effective at off tanking through LBRS, at least thats my experience. Once you get into Outland instances, that really starts to change and it is better to use trap and CC instead of off-tanking.
This guy obviously was a selfish hunter and didnt know much about grouping. Best thing to do is explain that heal order is Tank>Players>Pets. And if you are able you can throw his pet a heal, but he should focus on keeping his pet up.
Yep, I agree. I play two pet classes (lock, hunter) plus 3 healing classes. Pets are OUR responsibility, not the healers.
Although I will throw out a IHOT to a pet if I have the mana, or it is off-tanking.
Hopefully this person will learn to manage is pet better, or he'll find groups few and far between.
Although I will throw out a IHOT to a pet if I have the mana, or it is off-tanking.
Hopefully this person will learn to manage is pet better, or he'll find groups few and far between.
I usually know when Morris is going to be doing something important, off tanking or even momentary main tanking. When he's going to be doing that, I'll ask the healer to keep an eye on him but my Heals also add in. It's my job to keep his normal healing up. The main healer is only supposed to heal him when mine aren't up to the task or if I have to be someplace else, concentrating on something else (sometimes keeping adds off the healers!) and I don't have enough attention for the pet doing something important. Those are the only times I ask the healer for help with the pet and I make sure to communicate that clearly with the healer and get the okay. The healer will also know to let Morris die first before a team member if mana is an issue.
I'll let Morris take one for the team if need be if I don't have the mana or time to heal him but need him in the fight. He trusts me to bring him back after the fight and give him kitty snacks to keep him happy.
I'll let Morris take one for the team if need be if I don't have the mana or time to heal him but need him in the fight. He trusts me to bring him back after the fight and give him kitty snacks to keep him happy.
I must be very fortunate, because the healers I've run with (guild, friends, and even pugs) have kept my pet up most of the time. I also use mend pet, but more often than not, when I see his health dip, a heal hits him before I can get mend on. I know Shammy healers have their chain heals which impact everyone, including pets. Do other healers have other AoE heals?
But I don't ask for, or expect the heals. The worst thing that happens if my pet dies is the loss of the screech buff and a bit of dps. I can rez him without further detriment.
But I don't ask for, or expect the heals. The worst thing that happens if my pet dies is the loss of the screech buff and a bit of dps. I can rez him without further detriment.
I think the hunter may have asked a bit too much. It sounds like you had your hands full. I never ask for them or expect them. Occassionally though, I notice if my pet saves the priest from dying (go Intimidation go!), I t3end to see a couple PW:S and heals go his way. Really like previous posters said, unless the pet is preforming a group vital function, there's no reason to waste the mana.
Priests have some AoEs, or spells which will chain from one to the other. Druids with HoTs may not be as much of an AoE (unless they use tranquility) but they can keep up several targets. Paladins dont have any AoE healing.
I still don't quite get the hatred of healing pets.
So the hunter has a healing spell, and can call the pet back?
Do you heal DPSing druids or shamans? Do you heal people with bandages and pots? Or do you expect them to leave combat, heal themselves, then run back in?
The hunter/pet is a member of your party that is doing DPS and can heal himself.. but then, so is everyone else on DPS.
So the hunter has a healing spell, and can call the pet back?
Do you heal DPSing druids or shamans? Do you heal people with bandages and pots? Or do you expect them to leave combat, heal themselves, then run back in?
The hunter/pet is a member of your party that is doing DPS and can heal himself.. but then, so is everyone else on DPS.
Hunter pets contribute less DPS than other party members, even a BM hunter. Assume a BM hunter and his pet, vs. a rogue. If they're both doing 100 DPS (low number, but then again very high for the level I'm talking) the hunter would be doing 60 and the pet doing 40. Healing the rogue means saving 100 DPS, where healing the pet means saving 40. Not very cost effective. However, if the pet is tanking, then it becomes important because dead pet = dead me.
The problem is, the hunter felt that even though I was using my mana on the 2 druids and the warrior, he felt he deserved an equal share of my mana, when he has heals of his own. The heals a hunters pet gets (if it needs more than mend pet can handle) should be split between the hunter and the healer, not all on the healer. If he isn't going to do his part to keep his pet alive, I most certaintly wont do my part to keep it alive.
What I'm talking about then, isn't a "hate for healing to pets." It's simply finding the most mana-efficient way to keep up our tank and as much DPS as possible. And it's the responsibility of the owner of the pet to do as much as possible to keep it alive. I'll match what he does - if he does all of the work he can, I'll do what I can (if the pet needs more than what he's giving it, chances are it's tanking). If he does nothing, I'll do the same. He decides how much we split the load.
The problem is, the hunter felt that even though I was using my mana on the 2 druids and the warrior, he felt he deserved an equal share of my mana, when he has heals of his own. The heals a hunters pet gets (if it needs more than mend pet can handle) should be split between the hunter and the healer, not all on the healer. If he isn't going to do his part to keep his pet alive, I most certaintly wont do my part to keep it alive.
What I'm talking about then, isn't a "hate for healing to pets." It's simply finding the most mana-efficient way to keep up our tank and as much DPS as possible. And it's the responsibility of the owner of the pet to do as much as possible to keep it alive. I'll match what he does - if he does all of the work he can, I'll do what I can (if the pet needs more than what he's giving it, chances are it's tanking). If he does nothing, I'll do the same. He decides how much we split the load.
Well, a hunter really should be watching his pets' health anyways. Most of us tend to solo a lot so good ones learn at what point to back the pet off, toss the heal, etc etc.
This guy sounds like he has no clue how to use a pet effectively, if at all. Group setting/raid setting, pet is a static dot. Lower consistent dps to weaken said mob. If the hunter is not managing his pets' threat level, then he deserves to have it killed off in a group or raid. Yeah, there are times where the pet is going to get aggroed and wasted, been there on old world raids enough to see (ZG, MC etc) but still, short of that kind of stuff, the hunter had better be paying a bit better attention imo.
This guy sounds like he has no clue how to use a pet effectively, if at all. Group setting/raid setting, pet is a static dot. Lower consistent dps to weaken said mob. If the hunter is not managing his pets' threat level, then he deserves to have it killed off in a group or raid. Yeah, there are times where the pet is going to get aggroed and wasted, been there on old world raids enough to see (ZG, MC etc) but still, short of that kind of stuff, the hunter had better be paying a bit better attention imo.
The only time you should be healing the Hunters pets is if a couple things happen.
1) He is trying with Mend Pet
2) He has growl turned off unless protecting the healer
3) You have the mana to toss him a heal, prefferably a renew to keep the mana cost down.
But I love healers who watch pets, even though I am not always able to on my shammy, I still watch it.
1) He is trying with Mend Pet
2) He has growl turned off unless protecting the healer
3) You have the mana to toss him a heal, prefferably a renew to keep the mana cost down.
But I love healers who watch pets, even though I am not always able to on my shammy, I still watch it.
Maybe not renew, but rejuv/regrowth/lifebloom...
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