Versing Paladins..Follow

Lately I have been experiencing problems with paladins. When I come across one for battle I don't know what to do. He either does hammer of wrath and stuns me, I blink then frost nova. If I polly him at the start, it only lasts for 3-4 seconds. If i get the hit i then frost bolt him once, but then I get stuck at this point. He then stuns me again and either crits with his weapon or puts on blessing of freedom for the frost bolt snare.

What should i do counter them, any ideas would be helpful

Pretty much what Poldy said - BoF and Cleanse (used to remove magic effects like nova or slow) use a percentage of the mana pool: 8 and 6% respectively. Keep the snares/slows on and they'll go OOM before you will.

Paladins (without Pursuit of Justice) are slow. You should probably kite them, because any fight with a paladin is an attrition fight, and you'll run out of mana before he starts running out of health. So you have to conserve a little bit, get him to blow all his cooldowns (Divine Shield, Hammer of Justice and Lay On Hands are the big ones).

Also, switch between your type of damage. If he picks up that all you're shooting is a level 1 frostbolt, he'll just turn on his Frost Resistance aura, and laugh it off. So mix it up with some fire damage, and he's got no protection at all against arcane (that might be a bit of a mana drain.) Bear in mind that he has no way to get to you quickly, like Charge or Shadowstep, and has limited defence against spell damage. The resistance auras and a 4% talent bonus if he's Prot are about it.

the OP never stated what spec is the problem. the multiple stuns and big crits lead me to believe Ret is the topic.

on my Ret i eat mages above all other classes. to be honest, a well played Ret will beat a frost mage everytime. with +6k mana i dont go oom(my seals and judgements cost almost nothing) unless forced to do some big heals. stuns are used after a blink. self cleanse is keybound and we can autoattack while spamming cleanse. i also use bubble for offensive, 12s of free killing.

i play a frost mage myself. advice: poly and kite at max distance, never turn around unless you are at max range. use the terrain to your avantage.

iceblock is lol against any melee. remember that a Ret pally will take PoJ(15% run) so blink and run will only get you a couple secs distance. keeping a mage on the run will take away more than half of his offensives. a pally on the run has ALL of his offensives.

max range and constant ice barrier for frosties(keep the W/E out).
max range and heavy burst for fire(watch eye for eye tho).
dont try to aoe in melee range.

either way, use running to recoop your CDs. a ret pally is best dealt with from behind a rock.

ms warriors, pure healers, some warlocks

paladins are ezmode for mages. :(

He turns on the aura, he's got a 45% chance to resist the spell. He resists the spell, he resists the slow. He resists the slow, he catches up to you. Unless I'm misunderstanding how magic resistance works, which given WoW's arcane and overcomplicated game mechanics, is highly likely.

My mage is my only toon I've leveled to 70 so you are at an advantage having played both a frost mage and a Ret pally. However I can't imagine what you would recommend us to do while you go completely untouchable for 10 secs. I personally don't care to see IMMUNE scrolling through my combat text.

My advise: If the bubble is defensive = Evocate or bandage. He will probably be healing to full health. Then get ready to poly and Evocate or bandage
If the bubble is offensive = Iceblock. Use the 10 sec stalemate to take stock of the situation. You'll have 4 options to gain distance once the bubble is down, Blink, FN, Rank 1 FB, CoC.

Of course he can trinket the poly, HoJ the blink, and resist the Frost snare. But if things were so easy they wouldn't be any fun to fight!!

FYI don't forget you counterspell and spellsteal. These are both very powerful and necessary against healing classes.

Omenv

to be honest, good Ret pallies are few and far. so this becomes more of a fight against either a knowledgable player or a noob. a noob Ret pally goes splat pretty easily. a skilled and geared player will know all the counter moves to a mage. unfortunately, most mages haven't come accross said player to predict his next move with confidence.

the good thing is: if you've encountered a well played Ret pally, you probably wont see another for a long while.

here's my fav pally bubble trick. As a fire mage i'll just kite and burn the pally down till she feels the need to bubble and heal. Once she does i'll just start spinning up a pyro after i run to max range. So many times they've either stopped healing full to come stop me.. or just take a 4k hit as soon as bubble is down.

But yes.. to answer your question just kite and use instant casts to drop her HP down (all pallys are girls to me btw). Plus here's a list of normal pally moves and how i counter them.

1. Ha Ha I can heal and you can't.
This is my favorite. They just stand there and heal though all your stuff while you beat them down. So after a while your oom and they have full HP and half MP. So... since my wand hits for over 400 a cast.. i'll just wand them till they relize i'm not going to fall for it.

2. Bubble n whack a mage
Why they do this I do not know. But for some reason (specially in AV) they'll just bubble then try to kill me knowing I can't hurt them. Blink/trink/n run. There's just somthing funny about being chased around by a bubbled pally.

3. Look.. I solo'd a tower
For some reason pally's in AV think their rogues/druids and go off taking some random horde tower away from the battle. If you head up there to re-take it.. and there's a pally there in the small *** little room here's what I do. Start off by turning my back to him. Then I slowly bend over and grab my feet exposing my open *** for him to gang rape.

That's about all i have for now.

Protection-spec paladins can in fact put two points into a talent that negates the attack speed penalty of Divine Shield. Combine this with a fast 1hander, Judgment of the Crusader, and Seal of Righteousness, and they can actually put out enough damage to scare a mage in the ten seconds that they're invulnerable, provided you've already blown your blink.

Of course, protection paladins have numerous other faults which cripple them against a mage. And naturally, most or all paladins will bubble to heal, especially against a mage.



What, rogues are the only ones who get to be heroic? Isn't heroically taking a outpost single-handedly exactly what paladins are supposed to do? :/