So I have recently begun putting down onto paper a detailed plan of mine to eventually, once other goals have been met, become a full Survival hunter. I've mapped out the needed gems and enchants to go with my current gear. And I have mapped out the allocation of my talent points.
And herein lies the problem.
For some reason, I cannot allocate only 41 points into Survival yet still get everything that I want. In order for me to spent only 41 points to reach Readiness I must skip something that I really want. I shall now detail what I mean. For sake of space, I shall abbreviate certain things but leave it so you will most likely be able to understand what its name is.
Line 1: Hawk Eye 3/3; Savage Strikes 2/2 = 5
Line 2, req 5: Entrapment 3/3; Imp. Wing Clip 3/3 = 11
Line 3, req 10: Clever Traps 2/2; Survivalist 2/5 = 15
Line 4, req 15: Trap Mst. 2/2; Surefooted 1/3; Imp. FD 2/2 = 20
Line 5, req 20: Survival Instincts 2/2; Killer Instinct 3/3 = 25
*Here's where the problem arises.
Line 6, req 25: Resourcefulness 3/3; Lightning Reflexes 5/5 = 33
Line 7, req 30: Thrill-Hunt 3/3; Wyvern Sting 1/1; Expose W. 3/3 = 40
Line 8, req 35: Master Tactician 5/5 = 45
Line 9, req 40: Readiness 1/1 = 46
And the problem lies in that, in order to only spend 41, I need to skip something I would consider vital and important, maybe even spec-defining. By skipping Resourcefulness and allocating only 1 point into Thrill of the Hunt (or vice versa) the problem would be solved. That's 5 points less, hence the 41 point minimum. Or I could skip Expose Weakness, which would then mean I can skip Lightning Reflexes, but....these are entirely spec-defining and I would be an idiot to skip it.
So my question is, what would I miss the least? Resourcefulness' ultimate trap improvements? Thrill of the Hunt's potentially awesome mana regeneration qualities? Something else I'm not seeing? Is there in fact a way to allocate points and get all these juicy talents to their max? Or, like all things in life, do I need to make a sacrifice?
I don't plan on being a Survival hunter for a long while still. I still need the gold for my epic flier + skill, my full s1 Gladiator's set, that hunter 2h axe you buy with 1000 Arena points (tasty goodness, though I forget the name). But I like to plan ahead with most things, hence this little on-paper project of mine. I hope nobody was too bored or bothered by this thread, I am just hoping out there somewhere exists a solution to this problem I seem to have come across.
Thanks for reading.
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I'd suggest that you skip Readiness and Master Tactician. I originally specced SV with Readiness and found that I never really used it...I didn't need to. Even without the 2pc Beast Lord set bonus, you can talent to have a 2 second overlap on trap duration/cooldown. That's plenty for me to chain trap a single mob all day long, and when 2.3.2 goes live I'll be back to double trapping where needed on tricky pulls as long as the group's dps can burn down the rest of the mobs fast enough.
Master Tactician...ehhh. Looks awesome on paper. Doesn't seem to perform as well as it looks, however. The proc rate is pretty low for something that requires 5 talent points, and the overall dps boost on such a low proc rate is not as great as it sounds. If you break it down by probabilities, once every 20 shots you'll get a buff that will enable you to land one extra crit for every 10 shots fired. You might luck out and proc MT several times in rapid succession and get lucky with a series of non-stop crits, but you could just as easily go several minutes of constant firing without seeing a single MT proc.
My current unbuffed crit is 30.50% and my unbuffed agility is 666 (>:D). Raid buffed with Greater Blessing of Kings, Elixir of Major Agility, Warp Burgers, Scroll of Agility V, Gift of the Wild, and Leader of the Pack (my standard raid buff situation these days), my crit% goes over 40% and my Agility tops out somewhere around 850. That's a pretty insane crit rate as is, with the Agility to make those Expose Weakness procs well worth it. You could take those 5 talent points and put them somewhere else to either increase your utility or your survivability, because dps output is definately not something lacking on a well geared/played SV Hunter.
Edited, Dec 25th 2007 1:50am by AureliusSir
Master Tactician...ehhh. Looks awesome on paper. Doesn't seem to perform as well as it looks, however. The proc rate is pretty low for something that requires 5 talent points, and the overall dps boost on such a low proc rate is not as great as it sounds. If you break it down by probabilities, once every 20 shots you'll get a buff that will enable you to land one extra crit for every 10 shots fired. You might luck out and proc MT several times in rapid succession and get lucky with a series of non-stop crits, but you could just as easily go several minutes of constant firing without seeing a single MT proc.
My current unbuffed crit is 30.50% and my unbuffed agility is 666 (>:D). Raid buffed with Greater Blessing of Kings, Elixir of Major Agility, Warp Burgers, Scroll of Agility V, Gift of the Wild, and Leader of the Pack (my standard raid buff situation these days), my crit% goes over 40% and my Agility tops out somewhere around 850. That's a pretty insane crit rate as is, with the Agility to make those Expose Weakness procs well worth it. You could take those 5 talent points and put them somewhere else to either increase your utility or your survivability, because dps output is definately not something lacking on a well geared/played SV Hunter.
Edited, Dec 25th 2007 1:50am by AureliusSir
Thanks a million for the input :) I will certainly keep that mind.
I had this problem when I switched too. the Survival Tree is chock full of win and it's hard to filter it all down. To make things slightly worse, I'd also recommend Humanoid Slayer as it works in PvP. However, I wouldn't bother with Savage Strikes as the only melee ability I ever use is Wing Clip.
I'm not convinced imp FD is worth 2 points either. It doesn't get resisted often enough to make me feel that I'm not wasting points on something that could benefit me or my group all the time.
I really wanted Resourcefulness, but something had to be skipped, and this is what I chose. Reasoning being is the only thing I wanted for it was the trap cooldown, which is admittedly nice, but with Clever Traps, you get 30% longer on your trap duration anyway. I can keep a mob on ice indefinitely with this alone.
At this point, I'm not sure what you want from this build, you mention PvP a lot. For me EW is more of a PvE talent. In PvP there's rarely more than 3 people fighting the same target so the effect isn't reaching a great many people. It is however a godly PvE talent.
Thrill of the Hunt is another great talent I wanted to max out, but couldn't find the points. I got 2/3 though. Wyvern Sting for me was a take or leave talent. It'd be pretty nice in PvP.
EDIT: Other guy posted faster than me, but:
I fully agree. On it's own Master Tactician is kinda crappy. Sadly you have to max it if you want readiness. However if you don't want Readiness, I wouldn't bother spending any points in MT.
Personally, I rarely use Readiness in PvP, but all the time in PvE. It makes for a great "oh crap" button if a trap or FD gets resisted. You can also use it to chain 2 Rapid Fires.
So, I guess it depends on what you want to do. You can't have ALL the best PvE and PvP talents from SV in one spec, you have to choose.
If it helps any, this is my build. I had Raiding in mind.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000000505201205000000000033301002500302300520351
Edited, Dec 25th 2007 4:57am by Rasen
I'm not convinced imp FD is worth 2 points either. It doesn't get resisted often enough to make me feel that I'm not wasting points on something that could benefit me or my group all the time.
I really wanted Resourcefulness, but something had to be skipped, and this is what I chose. Reasoning being is the only thing I wanted for it was the trap cooldown, which is admittedly nice, but with Clever Traps, you get 30% longer on your trap duration anyway. I can keep a mob on ice indefinitely with this alone.
At this point, I'm not sure what you want from this build, you mention PvP a lot. For me EW is more of a PvE talent. In PvP there's rarely more than 3 people fighting the same target so the effect isn't reaching a great many people. It is however a godly PvE talent.
Thrill of the Hunt is another great talent I wanted to max out, but couldn't find the points. I got 2/3 though. Wyvern Sting for me was a take or leave talent. It'd be pretty nice in PvP.
EDIT: Other guy posted faster than me, but:
Quote:
Master Tactician...ehhh. Looks awesome on paper. Doesn't seem to perform as well as it looks, however. The proc rate is pretty low for something that requires 5 talent points, and the overall dps boost on such a low proc rate is not as great as it sounds.
I fully agree. On it's own Master Tactician is kinda crappy. Sadly you have to max it if you want readiness. However if you don't want Readiness, I wouldn't bother spending any points in MT.
Personally, I rarely use Readiness in PvP, but all the time in PvE. It makes for a great "oh crap" button if a trap or FD gets resisted. You can also use it to chain 2 Rapid Fires.
So, I guess it depends on what you want to do. You can't have ALL the best PvE and PvP talents from SV in one spec, you have to choose.
If it helps any, this is my build. I had Raiding in mind.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000000505201205000000000033301002500302300520351
Edited, Dec 25th 2007 4:57am by Rasen
I'd recommend checking out my guide for various types of build and what it is exactly that you wish to do with this spec.
Do you want it for Raiding, Instances, Arena, BG's?
I offer various builds, and I plan on updating it soon with an armor section to better equip yourself as you reach the higher end.
Hunter's Guide - Survival of the Fittest
Do you want it for Raiding, Instances, Arena, BG's?
I offer various builds, and I plan on updating it soon with an armor section to better equip yourself as you reach the higher end.
Hunter's Guide - Survival of the Fittest
As a survival hunter my hit rating is sitting at 7.99%. Is this going to make a major difference for me or should I push it up?
My agility is at 702, my crit rating is at 28.64%.
My agility is at 702, my crit rating is at 28.64%.
wildsimian wrote:
As a survival hunter my hit rating is sitting at 7.99%. Is this going to make a major difference for me or should I push it up?
My agility is at 702, my crit rating is at 28.64%.
My agility is at 702, my crit rating is at 28.64%.
Ok I switched a ring around and my crit went down to a high 27% and my hit rating is about 8.30-something.
This build isn't easy .. but it IS challenging.
Because I couldn't wait, I made the switch to Survival/Marksman. I re-gemmed most of my gear and got a few pieces of my gear enchanted. I am now sitting at 713 agi and 27.01% crit chance. And 1635 AP with Hawk up. Spent like 600 or 700 gold overall on the gems and enchant materials. But it was worth it, this build is awesome so far. Very versatile in PvP and a monster of dps in PvE scenarios. Sure my pet is a little frail but at least when it dies 50% of my total dps isn't lying dead on the floor.
If anyone cares to see, here's my armory link. Not everything might be updated yet though.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&n=Tavarde
Edited, Dec 27th 2007 2:11am by Tavarde
If anyone cares to see, here's my armory link. Not everything might be updated yet though.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&n=Tavarde
Edited, Dec 27th 2007 2:11am by Tavarde
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