I dunno if they're going to extend the talent trees like they did for BC, but what do you think they're going to have as the new 51(?) point talents?
For feral, I think a new Death Knight-themed form would be cool, like a raptor form that can take damage and dish it out, or something like that.
What do you guys think, for this and the other trees?
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I dont see a raptor being DK-themed...but something that has somewhere between mail and plate armor, somewhere around the health of a prot pally, and can dish out damage between that of cat and bear form (but closer to bear) would be cool. That way if you take the overall damage and survivability, it'd be higher than both bear and cat form - but would suck for tanking or DPSing.
For resto, I think bump one or two of the current X1 points down, and put a rez in there that will rez more than 3 people per hour. Whether or not druids feel they "need" this, having that in there will get druids invited to groups a lot more since most people want that rez that shamans/pallies/priests can provide.
For balance, maybe something which when used increases the amount of damage done by wrath by X% for 20 seconds, and decreases the mana cost of starfire by X% for 20 seconds. So if you need the extra DPS you can spam wrath, if you need the extra mana efficiency you can spam starfire, but it will help you with whichever attack you are using in different ways.
For resto, I think bump one or two of the current X1 points down, and put a rez in there that will rez more than 3 people per hour. Whether or not druids feel they "need" this, having that in there will get druids invited to groups a lot more since most people want that rez that shamans/pallies/priests can provide.
For balance, maybe something which when used increases the amount of damage done by wrath by X% for 20 seconds, and decreases the mana cost of starfire by X% for 20 seconds. So if you need the extra DPS you can spam wrath, if you need the extra mana efficiency you can spam starfire, but it will help you with whichever attack you are using in different ways.
I dont think we will see a new form. Especially one that lowers our dps and raises survivability (cough cough, we already have that)
I would like to see them add a non battle res, either as trainable, or as a talent, it is much needed, to make us as wanted in a party as the other healing classes. Id glady spend a talent point or 2 to get it, even RIGHT NOW with the current talent trees.
The idea of a 20 sec buff in caster form would be good for moonkins. Tho i would prefer for 20 seconds my Starfire takes .5 sec less to cast, than for a mana reduction to it.
What ever they do, I hope they make intrinsic changes that make Our class more viable in 3v3 and 5v5's, something marked (like at least extend cyclone to 10 seconds! like the other classes CC)
If I were to wish for a new form, it would be Dragon Form (or some kinda thing like that) That is an AOE attack form. (atm our Aoe's are weak, and on a large CD)
Id like to see the retooling of forms, so that alliance forms and horde forms look DRASTICALLY different, not just one have horns, or be a different color (bear and flight)
I would like to see them add a non battle res, either as trainable, or as a talent, it is much needed, to make us as wanted in a party as the other healing classes. Id glady spend a talent point or 2 to get it, even RIGHT NOW with the current talent trees.
The idea of a 20 sec buff in caster form would be good for moonkins. Tho i would prefer for 20 seconds my Starfire takes .5 sec less to cast, than for a mana reduction to it.
What ever they do, I hope they make intrinsic changes that make Our class more viable in 3v3 and 5v5's, something marked (like at least extend cyclone to 10 seconds! like the other classes CC)
If I were to wish for a new form, it would be Dragon Form (or some kinda thing like that) That is an AOE attack form. (atm our Aoe's are weak, and on a large CD)
Id like to see the retooling of forms, so that alliance forms and horde forms look DRASTICALLY different, not just one have horns, or be a different color (bear and flight)
i really dont understand the rez thing anymore. the longest 5-man death run in game so far is coilfang resevoir, and thats nothing compared to say, lbrs or ubrs or brd from back in the day. are people seriously that lazy?
*sigh* it would seem so. more reason why i dont pug. altho if i were a druid who was pugging, and i was told "nah, need shammy/pally/priest for rez" id say something to the effect of "i dont need a rez, because no one is going to die unless they do something completely stupid". that says "im way better than you think i am" and "if you f*ck up, its your own damn fault" all in one fell swoop. back when i pugged, when druids as a whole wernt so much shunned as they were just completely unknown, that kind of comment elicited a lot of different responses, but never failed to get me into a group. i once duo-healed 10-man pre-nerf scholo with another druid and was offered three different guild invites when we finished without a single wipe (incredibly rare for old school scholo).
*sigh* it would seem so. more reason why i dont pug. altho if i were a druid who was pugging, and i was told "nah, need shammy/pally/priest for rez" id say something to the effect of "i dont need a rez, because no one is going to die unless they do something completely stupid". that says "im way better than you think i am" and "if you f*ck up, its your own damn fault" all in one fell swoop. back when i pugged, when druids as a whole wernt so much shunned as they were just completely unknown, that kind of comment elicited a lot of different responses, but never failed to get me into a group. i once duo-healed 10-man pre-nerf scholo with another druid and was offered three different guild invites when we finished without a single wipe (incredibly rare for old school scholo).
Well, part of it isn't just rezzing in outlands, but factor in level 30-50 instances where people are still learning how to play to the game. A rez in those zones will be REALLY helpful.
And everyone screws up. I know I do, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE in here screws up unless they dont play anymore. My best friend plays a couple pallies - one's just entering kara and he's VERY good, the other he's levelling with me. In an instance on our alts (my warrior his other pally) he goes OOM after a few seconds of combat. His LOH was right next to his FoL, one is the most mana-efficient heal, the other uses 100% of current mana. Good player? Yes. Screwed up? Yes.
And everyone screws up. I know I do, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE in here screws up unless they dont play anymore. My best friend plays a couple pallies - one's just entering kara and he's VERY good, the other he's levelling with me. In an instance on our alts (my warrior his other pally) he goes OOM after a few seconds of combat. His LOH was right next to his FoL, one is the most mana-efficient heal, the other uses 100% of current mana. Good player? Yes. Screwed up? Yes.
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i really dont understand the rez thing anymore. the longest 5-man death run in game so far is coilfang resevoir, and thats nothing compared to say, lbrs or ubrs or brd from back in the day.
I remember those days, but I still think that a wipe in Shattered Halls seems to be a crazy long run back. Maybe because it is basically just one long tunnel you are running through. LBRS and stuff seemed a bit more 3 dimensional in it's layout. More like Steamvaults with more than one way to get to certain places.
Zenithal wrote:
For feral, I think a new Death Knight-themed form would be cool, like a raptor form that can take damage and dish it out, or something like that.
What do you guys think, for this and the other trees?
What do you guys think, for this and the other trees?
It's a shame that the feral tree doesn't have a unique form, but I can't get on board with the idea that we need a form between our choices that splits the damage/survivability difference between cat and bear. When I wanna take damage and dish it out I throw my DPS gear on in bear form or vice versa.
I would like to see a "Dire Cat" form as a top-tier feral talent, maybe it kicks in as part of Mangle.
Another nice high-tier feral talent would be something that greatly increases the duration of Pounce and Maim, more so than Brutal Impact into the 20-second realm of true CC.
Dire Bear (and Dire Cat...) should look badder-*** than the un-dire versions.
Something to help with tanking groups of 5+ mobs would be nice, maybe that'd just be a faster CD on Challenging Roar.
I would like to see a better AoE attack higher up in the Balance tree, so it could be used in caster and moonkin form.
Highly unlikely, but my wish for the next expansion is a new feral exclusive form. I'd like something like a porcupine for ranged physical dps. A bit like a hunter, but without the pet. Could maybe be a master of CC and damage. Pin stuff to the ground, you know. I would find that immensely cool. And cute. :D
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Indoor roots, AoE roots, another AoE spell maybe, and a new damaging spell for moonkin form.
We've already got good forms for tanking, DPS, and healing. What we need is a good form for running away and lying around. I suggest Beagle form. Key abilities to include Irritating Bay (reduces the enemy's urge to chase you), Scrounge (find all manner of disgusting food), and Challenging Snore (puts enemy to sleep). The Horde Beagle form would look more like a Bassett Hound.
Naw, no really "new" forms are needed. However, the lack of a Feral Exclusive form has always slightly annoyed me a bit. So I was thinking, what is it a Feral Druid does the most? Well, DPS or Tank. Cat or Bear.
I couldn't really think of a form that would fit DPS and Tanking in one single form. But then it hit me... Two forms. Two mutually exclusive forms. Two top end talents, one pointers. One new catform, and one new bearform. Let's just for argument's sake call them Clawform and Bruteform.
If you take one of the two talents, the other will be automatically shut off from being chosen. You can only take one of the two forms, thus specializing yourself in tanking or DPS. You can still DPS of course, if you choose Bruteform, but you won't excel. You can still tank when choosing Clawform, but you won't be the sheer tanker that Bruteform will be. This would allow us to instead of just pouring nigh every talent point into one tree and thus achieving everything melee worthy as long as we had the gearsets, specialize further for one task.
This would alleviate some of the hard feelings other classes have towards us, who have to specialize for tanking and thus making themselves useless as DPS, or specialize for DPS and make themselves useless as Tanks.
Also, it would allow us Feral Druids to show it off. Instead of looking just like we do at respectively level 10 and 20, we get to show off what we are. Clawform. A slightly bigger catform, with heavier muscles. The claws are longer and sharper. Our speed is a little greater, and we really look like we are capable of causing some serious pain. For Alliance I also see a slight more reddish tint to our skin, and a more... predatory facial look. Bruteform. Dire Bearform with the addition of armor. Slightly bigger as well, and in addition to our own claws, we got metal claws on top. Some spikes on the armor would also look quite nice. A darker skintint than the current greyish brown.
As for the bonuses of these talents...
Clawform: Changes the Leader of the Pack bonus to a Crit and Attack power bonus (numbers mean nothing at the moment since we don't know the scaling and gear in WotLK). Adds so and so much Attack Power and Crit to your catform, and changes the appearance to Clawform.
Bruteform: Changes the Leader of the Pack bonus to an Armor and Health bonus. Adds so and so much Health and Armor to your Bearform, and changes the appearance to Bruteform.
Add in a few tweaks and such, and it could work.
All I am really after is a new look for Feral Druids. It gets old not to be able to show off the awesome gear I've gotten lately, in combat. So why not let us at least get a new couple of Feral forms?
I couldn't really think of a form that would fit DPS and Tanking in one single form. But then it hit me... Two forms. Two mutually exclusive forms. Two top end talents, one pointers. One new catform, and one new bearform. Let's just for argument's sake call them Clawform and Bruteform.
If you take one of the two talents, the other will be automatically shut off from being chosen. You can only take one of the two forms, thus specializing yourself in tanking or DPS. You can still DPS of course, if you choose Bruteform, but you won't excel. You can still tank when choosing Clawform, but you won't be the sheer tanker that Bruteform will be. This would allow us to instead of just pouring nigh every talent point into one tree and thus achieving everything melee worthy as long as we had the gearsets, specialize further for one task.
This would alleviate some of the hard feelings other classes have towards us, who have to specialize for tanking and thus making themselves useless as DPS, or specialize for DPS and make themselves useless as Tanks.
Also, it would allow us Feral Druids to show it off. Instead of looking just like we do at respectively level 10 and 20, we get to show off what we are. Clawform. A slightly bigger catform, with heavier muscles. The claws are longer and sharper. Our speed is a little greater, and we really look like we are capable of causing some serious pain. For Alliance I also see a slight more reddish tint to our skin, and a more... predatory facial look. Bruteform. Dire Bearform with the addition of armor. Slightly bigger as well, and in addition to our own claws, we got metal claws on top. Some spikes on the armor would also look quite nice. A darker skintint than the current greyish brown.
As for the bonuses of these talents...
Clawform: Changes the Leader of the Pack bonus to a Crit and Attack power bonus (numbers mean nothing at the moment since we don't know the scaling and gear in WotLK). Adds so and so much Attack Power and Crit to your catform, and changes the appearance to Clawform.
Bruteform: Changes the Leader of the Pack bonus to an Armor and Health bonus. Adds so and so much Health and Armor to your Bearform, and changes the appearance to Bruteform.
Add in a few tweaks and such, and it could work.
All I am really after is a new look for Feral Druids. It gets old not to be able to show off the awesome gear I've gotten lately, in combat. So why not let us at least get a new couple of Feral forms?
I posted this on the WoW suggestion forum and got no love.
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It's been debated we should have Worgen, which doesn't really fit with storyline. Dragon's also have their place in lore as being something above mortals, so I don't think that really fits either. Or even a Dire Cat..but you know? It just hit me. What about mixture of our Feline and Swift Flight forms with the overlying idea of a Gryphon? and Wyvern for horde? Just trying to think of something more unique then the current models running around the game. I don't think they should do more then have a walk cycle or hover above the ground. I'd say give them actual flight but that makes the flight forms pointless. I guess unless it was a level 80 talent, deep in the feral tree.
The real trick is make it unique enough that you wouldn't just use cat or bear. Maybe give it a combination of both Bear and Feline moves. Mangle, Bash, Swipe, Challenging Roar, Pounce, Shred, Rake, Feral Charge. ..::coughs lightly:: You get the idea.
I wouldn't want something overpowered, I just can't really think of a good balance without knowing what changes and what critters will be showing up in WotLK. I just find it appealing to be a Gryphie. ^^;;
Okay I'm done rambling! ^^
The real trick is make it unique enough that you wouldn't just use cat or bear. Maybe give it a combination of both Bear and Feline moves. Mangle, Bash, Swipe, Challenging Roar, Pounce, Shred, Rake, Feral Charge. ..::coughs lightly:: You get the idea.
I wouldn't want something overpowered, I just can't really think of a good balance without knowing what changes and what critters will be showing up in WotLK. I just find it appealing to be a Gryphie. ^^;;
Okay I'm done rambling! ^^
NorthAI the Hand wrote:
Two mutually exclusive forms. Two top end talents, one pointers. One new catform, and one new bearform. Let's just for argument's sake call them Clawform and Bruteform.
Cool. Best idea I've heard for solving the problem of no dedicated form for us ferals. Dire Cat and, uh, Very Dire Bear. : )
NorthAI the Hand wrote:
Clawform: Changes the Leader of the Pack bonus to a Crit and Attack power bonus (numbers mean nothing at the moment since we don't know the scaling and gear in WotLK). Adds so and so much Attack Power and Crit to your catform, and changes the appearance to Clawform.
I proposed above the addition of some crowd control to cat form, preferably in the form of a talent that extended Pounce to last almost as long as a rogue's Sap. Maybe 30 seconds instead of 45. Restricting that CC to your "Clawform," or making it part of the form as an alternative to some increase in crit or AP, would be a way of adding cc to our repertoire without being imba.
A 30 second pounce would be the most overpowered thing this game has ever seen. Why? Pounce STUNS the target, which means it can take damage while not being able to do anything except recieve heals. Even if it was reduced to a 10-second stun while in PvP, it would still be OP. Maybe a new ability, but not a 30 second stun.
As far as dire cat and uber bear go, what's the point in giving bears MORE armor? I've heard druids have no problems getting armor capped, so the armor I dont see as too great of an idea. How about giving these bonuses:
Clawform - LotP increases AP by 5% as well, and HotW increases your crit rating by 10%. Maybe also give unique abilities over cat form to further increase DPS, such as crowd control, a big leap (kinda like blink only not), and 1-2 extra attacks which would deal increased damage compared to catform. Maybe include a spell interrupt (such as kick or shield bash) but with no ability to silence.
Bruteform - Extra armor? Uh, no. Bears have enough already. How about increasing reflective damage from thorns/fire shield/ret aura by 50%, increasing resistances by 50% of your level (40 at level 80), and adding a 2-second silence effect to FFF when in Bruteform making it easier to pull casters.
As far as dire cat and uber bear go, what's the point in giving bears MORE armor? I've heard druids have no problems getting armor capped, so the armor I dont see as too great of an idea. How about giving these bonuses:
Clawform - LotP increases AP by 5% as well, and HotW increases your crit rating by 10%. Maybe also give unique abilities over cat form to further increase DPS, such as crowd control, a big leap (kinda like blink only not), and 1-2 extra attacks which would deal increased damage compared to catform. Maybe include a spell interrupt (such as kick or shield bash) but with no ability to silence.
Bruteform - Extra armor? Uh, no. Bears have enough already. How about increasing reflective damage from thorns/fire shield/ret aura by 50%, increasing resistances by 50% of your level (40 at level 80), and adding a 2-second silence effect to FFF when in Bruteform making it easier to pull casters.
41 point feral talent: Head strap
Allows the druid to strap a sheild to his/her head in bear form and allow them to block.
"Ouch, that looked like it hurt!"
"Na, I'm ok. I blocked it with my face"
Allows the druid to strap a sheild to his/her head in bear form and allow them to block.
"Ouch, that looked like it hurt!"
"Na, I'm ok. I blocked it with my face"
skribs wrote:
A 30 second pounce would be the most overpowered thing this game has ever seen. Why? Pounce STUNS the target, which means it can take damage while not being able to do anything except recieve heals. Even if it was reduced to a 10-second stun while in PvP, it would still be OP. Maybe a new ability, but not a 30 second stun.
Yeah good point, sorry...I was really just thinking of an equivalent to Sap, and thought of it first as a time-extension to the closest thing we have to that, which is really quite different, but I certainly wouldn't advocate a 30-second true stun.
skribs wrote:
As far as dire cat and uber bear go, what's the point in giving bears MORE armor? I've heard druids have no problems getting armor capped, so the armor I dont see as too great of an idea. How about giving these bonuses:
Clawform - LotP increases AP by 5% as well, and HotW increases your crit rating by 10%. Maybe also give unique abilities over cat form to further increase DPS, such as crowd control, a big leap (kinda like blink only not), and 1-2 extra attacks which would deal increased damage compared to catform. Maybe include a spell interrupt (such as kick or shield bash) but with no ability to silence.
Bruteform - Extra armor? Uh, no. Bears have enough already. How about increasing reflective damage from thorns/fire shield/ret aura by 50%, increasing resistances by 50% of your level (40 at level 80), and adding a 2-second silence effect to FFF when in Bruteform making it easier to pull casters.
Clawform - LotP increases AP by 5% as well, and HotW increases your crit rating by 10%. Maybe also give unique abilities over cat form to further increase DPS, such as crowd control, a big leap (kinda like blink only not), and 1-2 extra attacks which would deal increased damage compared to catform. Maybe include a spell interrupt (such as kick or shield bash) but with no ability to silence.
Bruteform - Extra armor? Uh, no. Bears have enough already. How about increasing reflective damage from thorns/fire shield/ret aura by 50%, increasing resistances by 50% of your level (40 at level 80), and adding a 2-second silence effect to FFF when in Bruteform making it easier to pull casters.
All excellent points and suggestions, now call Blizz and make it happen. : )
SirJac wrote:
41 point feral talent: Head strap
Allows the druid to strap a sheild to his/her head in bear form and allow them to block.
"Ouch, that looked like it hurt!"
"Na, I'm ok. I blocked it with my face"
Allows the druid to strap a sheild to his/her head in bear form and allow them to block.
"Ouch, that looked like it hurt!"
"Na, I'm ok. I blocked it with my face"
lmfao
SirJac wrote:
41 point feral talent: Head strap
Allows the druid to strap a sheild to his/her head in bear form and allow them to block.
"Ouch, that looked like it hurt!"
"Na, I'm ok. I blocked it with my face"
Allows the druid to strap a sheild to his/her head in bear form and allow them to block.
"Ouch, that looked like it hurt!"
"Na, I'm ok. I blocked it with my face"
LMFAO too, mostly because I've actually said that, verbatim, while playing volleyball. : )
This has already been discussed.
But we can use some fresh ideas as well.
Edited, Dec 30th 2007 2:53am by UnkemptSuperman
But we can use some fresh ideas as well.
Edited, Dec 30th 2007 2:53am by UnkemptSuperman
My only wish for Wrath of the Lich King is that they (finally) finish the Druid quests and model skins. Cheetah and identical Dire Bear/Regular Bear is getting old.
Give my Dire Bear some kind of armor. Maybe it's because I read The Golden Compass before World of Warcraft even came out, but I always imagined the Dire Bear form would have some sort of armor. A leather harness or something.
Here, I'll even supply some inspiration.
Edited, Dec 27th 2007 2:33am by Mazra
Give my Dire Bear some kind of armor. Maybe it's because I read The Golden Compass before World of Warcraft even came out, but I always imagined the Dire Bear form would have some sort of armor. A leather harness or something.
Here, I'll even supply some inspiration.
Edited, Dec 27th 2007 2:33am by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Polar Bear form for the icy terrain in Norhtrend?
or Yeti? With the option to use ranged physical damage by throwing icicles?
Edited, Dec 30th 2007 2:51am by UnkemptSuperman
or Yeti? With the option to use ranged physical damage by throwing icicles?
Edited, Dec 30th 2007 2:51am by UnkemptSuperman
I was thinking of a polar bear like this one. Mean and ferocious:)
hmm... how about some cosmetic changes... so you can actualy change what cat/bear/tree/moonkin/travel/fight/aqua forms look like? maby something for all classes where your character physicaly changes depending on what spec they are, like a frost mage having a sort of cold aura surrounding them and ice where they step, fire mage has flames faitly spurting from them occasionaly and fire where they step... or arcane mage, arcane symbols around them and rune symbols where they step... just a few examples... bit OT in a druid forum tho... but they were just something easy and they were the main example i was thinking of...
daitsukioni wrote:
maby something for all classes where your character physicaly changes depending on what spec they are, like a frost mage having a sort of cold aura surrounding them and ice where they step, fire mage has flames faitly spurting from them occasionaly and fire where they step... or arcane mage, arcane symbols around them and rune symbols where they step... just a few examples... bit OT in a druid forum tho... but they were just something easy and they were the main example i was thinking of...
They save that sort of cool stuff for armour sets ;)
ok... how about an ancient form? perhaps it could be a combination of feral and balance... or just resto and balance...
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Thinking back now, I remember how cool the An'Quiraj (sp?) mounts looked, so maybe a sweet insect form? I dunno what it would do, it would just look badassed :P
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