I am a relatively new paladin, recently making it to Outland. I leveled to 58/59 using Retribution due to gear accessibility. I switched to full Holy with points in Prot and Ret for supplemental talents.
I have also been reading about the differences between a shockadin and a healadin, and I must confess I am still confused. I understand that a healing pally would have all +healing gear (which includes the 1/3 damage). Does a shockadin have the gear that has +dmg and +heal (which gives him/her less +heal than healing gear)?
If anyone would like to offer constructive advice, here's my armory: Michel.
The shoulders are just the ones I can get. Haven't been able to find anything on the AH before lvl 63 (which I have in my bags for when I level). I also have the healing neck and one of the healing rings from Ramparts that I swap in when I'm going to heal.
I healed in Scholo and Strat (doing my mount quest) with no problem. I healed in Ramparts as well with no problems.
My plan is to go full healing (gear-wise) when I hit 70, and just use the same gear set for both farming and healing 5-man instances (unless the opportunity presents itself to get nice plate +dmg/+heal gear). No plans at the moment to be a raid healer or to do PvP. Just want to have a good healer for my guild when we run 5-man content (both regular and heroic).
Does that make me a shockadin who is planning on being a healadin?
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Gearwise you are looking for more +spell damage over + healing gear. As far as I know the major difference between the two is talent specs. I dont believe Shockadins go as deep in in Holy tree.
I think it depends really on what you want to farm and how.
If you want to clear lower level instances by yourself for shards or plan on grinding it out on plenty of mobs I would suggest picking up a heal set and a tank set and respeccing depending on which you want to do more of.
The problem with healadins or shockadins is they can really only take on single mobs with ease, whereas as a Prot pally (with reckonning) you can easily be looking at 7 mobs + depending on gear and skill.
yeah, healadins tend to spec all or mostly in holy. if they put any elsewhere it usually in imp devo, improved Mightn etc for raid buffing. Healadins get +healing, spell crit, mp5 and int.
shockadins tend to only go 40 points deep in holy and the rest in ret. they get as much spell damage, spell crit, spell hit, int and mp5 as they can get.
my healadin has a spell damage set with around 650 spell damage. he's dps'd a couple instances and while his dps isn't great, its usually not more than 5% behind the top dps... even with that set on he has 850 +healing, which isn't great, but still good for the occassional heal.
shockadins tend to only go 40 points deep in holy and the rest in ret. they get as much spell damage, spell crit, spell hit, int and mp5 as they can get.
my healadin has a spell damage set with around 650 spell damage. he's dps'd a couple instances and while his dps isn't great, its usually not more than 5% behind the top dps... even with that set on he has 850 +healing, which isn't great, but still good for the occassional heal.
Honestly don't even bother trying to put together a shockadin set, its a waste of your time. At least it was from my experience. I leveled up to 70 had a healing set and didn't want to respec to farm, so I started collecting a spell damage gear set (which was mostly elemental shaman, since there aren't any good paladin spell damage pieces) and ran stuff like heroic SP for the epic shoulders, picked up the epic kilt from heroic UB, gemmed it out and everything. Then the patch came out that you got 1/3 of your +heal to spell damage. So I compared my full spell damage set (had a piece for every slot) to my full raid healing gear and amazingly I had more spell damage AND crit in my healing set than I ever did in my spell damage set.
My point in telling you this story, if you have a decent healing gear set you don't need a spell damage set, thus the true shockadin doesn't really have that much point, since if you go full spell damage you have less spell damage and less potential healing ability than if you just stuck to healing gear alone.
My point in telling you this story, if you have a decent healing gear set you don't need a spell damage set, thus the true shockadin doesn't really have that much point, since if you go full spell damage you have less spell damage and less potential healing ability than if you just stuck to healing gear alone.
Most of this information I believe is accurate, but atm I'm kinda confused too but here's my best grasp of it:
There's an 0.855 cost on spell damage and healing gear (1:1 ratio) and a 0.455 cost on healing and spell damage gear (3:1 ratio). This is using the itemization values which can be viewed here. This means that on an item worth 100 points, you could get ~117 Damage/Healing or ~220 healing and ~73 damage. This is an 88% increase in healing, and a 38% decrease in damage. So assuming 2 items of equal item level, with all the stats being the same, you can assume a great increase in healing on heal gear, and a minor (still great, but minor in comparison) decrease in spell damage. So if you plan on healing/DDing you could get a mix of both, but a dedicated heal set would generate more overall stats than a dedicated DPS set. For healing ONLY, or for dealing damage ONLY, the dedicated heal or dedicated damage sets would probably be best for a holy spec. On that note, if you want to be a dedicated damage dealer, ret will probably outdamage shockadin.
As far as the spec goes, the difference between a "healadin" and a "shockadin" is not very far off. Some specs manage to do both. Think of a healadin as someone who intends to heal, and a shockadin as someone who intends to do holy damage. I'd say if someone is speccing with the 40/0/21 shockadin build (picking up all the DD talents from holy and going into ret far enough to get sanctity aura) they are definitely "shockadin" as their primary focus is on dealing holy damage. They may not have much survivability, but will definitely be capable of dealing a lot of damage that cant be mitigated.
On the other hand, someone who specs 41/20/0 is definitely a healadin, as their primary focus is healing talents, and the ability to survive longer. They can still use holy shock offensively, and with 91% the damage a pure shockadin can do, and will survive/heal a WHOLE LOT better, but overall will not deal much damage.
Then there's the 51/0/10 hybrid, which sacrifices some survivability to be able to deal most of the damage a shockadin could while still picking up all the healing talents.
If you want to heal and PvP in a full healset, I'd say rather than being a shockadin who's planning on being a healadin, but rather a healadin who can use holy shock offensively.
Overall, it's a mix of your gear, your spec, and your playstyle which determines which type you are. And while I understand the 40/0/21 build is losing it's abilities with buffs to ret and buffs to heal gear, I still think there's a few gimickal uses for it.
There's an 0.855 cost on spell damage and healing gear (1:1 ratio) and a 0.455 cost on healing and spell damage gear (3:1 ratio). This is using the itemization values which can be viewed here. This means that on an item worth 100 points, you could get ~117 Damage/Healing or ~220 healing and ~73 damage. This is an 88% increase in healing, and a 38% decrease in damage. So assuming 2 items of equal item level, with all the stats being the same, you can assume a great increase in healing on heal gear, and a minor (still great, but minor in comparison) decrease in spell damage. So if you plan on healing/DDing you could get a mix of both, but a dedicated heal set would generate more overall stats than a dedicated DPS set. For healing ONLY, or for dealing damage ONLY, the dedicated heal or dedicated damage sets would probably be best for a holy spec. On that note, if you want to be a dedicated damage dealer, ret will probably outdamage shockadin.
As far as the spec goes, the difference between a "healadin" and a "shockadin" is not very far off. Some specs manage to do both. Think of a healadin as someone who intends to heal, and a shockadin as someone who intends to do holy damage. I'd say if someone is speccing with the 40/0/21 shockadin build (picking up all the DD talents from holy and going into ret far enough to get sanctity aura) they are definitely "shockadin" as their primary focus is on dealing holy damage. They may not have much survivability, but will definitely be capable of dealing a lot of damage that cant be mitigated.
On the other hand, someone who specs 41/20/0 is definitely a healadin, as their primary focus is healing talents, and the ability to survive longer. They can still use holy shock offensively, and with 91% the damage a pure shockadin can do, and will survive/heal a WHOLE LOT better, but overall will not deal much damage.
Then there's the 51/0/10 hybrid, which sacrifices some survivability to be able to deal most of the damage a shockadin could while still picking up all the healing talents.
If you want to heal and PvP in a full healset, I'd say rather than being a shockadin who's planning on being a healadin, but rather a healadin who can use holy shock offensively.
Overall, it's a mix of your gear, your spec, and your playstyle which determines which type you are. And while I understand the 40/0/21 build is losing it's abilities with buffs to ret and buffs to heal gear, I still think there's a few gimickal uses for it.
Thanks for all the great replies. I think I will do as several people have said and just build a healing set at 70 and use that set for farming if necessary. I really just want to heal in instances and be able to farm. If my healing gear gives me sufficient +dmg as the 1/3 rule applies, that should be enough to get what I need (and if I need to farm mats, I can always use one of my DPS alts).
Again, thanks to all for the extremely helpful responses.
Again, thanks to all for the extremely helpful responses.
You can farm in healing gear as well. You're not as quick as a DPS spec, but you can till manage it.
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