A possible fix for retadins?Follow

I was just reading another thread where Bodh was talking about a ret pally in his guild that is raiding T5 content with them.



I remember one time on my warrior doing Black Morass we had a ret pally DPSing for us.

This guy was unbelievable. He came in tops on the DPS meter and he was DPSing the boss as well as help out with adds.

He did pull threat from me a few times in the instance, but it was nothing I couldn't taunt~>shield slam~>revenge off of him.

Anyway, what if Blizz made it so that Divine Protection was a threat wipe for pallies?

I was thinking trhey could do it with Blessing of Protection, but that might be OP seeing as the pally could wipe somebody else's threat.

Anyway, wouldn't this change make ret more viable at least in raiding?

If the pally can wipe threat when the boss is at 70%, what are the odds he'll ever threat cap himself again?

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Edited, Dec 22nd 2007 2:37pm by Bigdaddyjug

Edited, Dec 22nd 2007 6:58pm by Bigdaddyjug

You mean you would actually have to bandage/heal like other DPS classes, or pop pots? Perish the thought



Like Vanish, Soul Shatter and Invis? Feign Death is the only spamable aggro dump.




No, they cause the same debuff, which is entirely different. You can Wings every 3 minutes, bubble every 5, or cause forbearance every minute. This means you can wait 1 minute, pop wings, DPS freely for a minute, pop bubble, wait for a minute, pop wings, and since you dropped aggro a minute ago, still be well under the tank. Having bubble be a full threat drop would actually be VERY useful.

The only problem that I see is that I've used DS to clear debuffs before. That would no longer be possible.

Well lookie there, the level 6 tankadin-to-be had a good idea...

I understand there are drawbacks to having to use bubble to clear threat, but there should be.

I don't know what the "wings" spell is or even what it does, although I have seen it used before so I know what you're talking about.

I just thought this made sense.

I know when a pally healer bubbles, they lose threat. (Yes I realize it doesn't wipe their threat, just makes the mob not want to attack them for the duration of the bubble). Why couldn't there be a talent in the Ret tree that allows using bubble to wipe threat?

They didn't give me anything, my pally is level 6 and going to be a tankadin.

However, rogues and mages can grief in the way you mentioned.

I can get on my rogue, hit it with 1 SS/Shiv/throw/what-have-you, run over to a mage AOE grinding and let the blizzard hit the mob, then vanish.

Guess what the mob does? Yeah, it goes for the mage.

The mage could do the same thing to me with ice block, if he happened to notice i used Blade Flurry.

So that basically makes that concern of your moot.

And yes, my most recent post said why not make it a talent in the ret tree.

Bodh, are you seriously that much against ret pallies that you don't want them to get some help?

Every other class is capable of using all 3 of their trees for at least some aspect of the game, whether PVE or PVP.

Why shouldn't a pally's ret tree have some use?

You mean like any hunter or rogue? What's the difference? Immunity? Feign Death and Vanish nearly provide that anyway.




So...wait, because it would be useful they would have to find a way to make it... not useful? That's terrible logic.

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Thanks guys. I thought I was doing that trying to quote earlier, but it wasn't working.

Maybe I was typoing something...

Edit: just went back and editted the post and the quote worked.

Edited, Dec 22nd 2007 6:59pm by Bigdaddyjug

How many mobs not only fear, but are also taunt immune? Taunt puts your right back on top of the aggro table and as long as people KNOW to DPS off for a second (which they should be doing in case of feared tanks anyway), you should have no problem re-establishing threat. If you've got DPS like my guilds, then generally you're going to have people already working the 130 rule anyway.

A threat wipe tied to the bubble would be horrible for tankadins. I have enough to worry about with the mobs wailing on the DPS for the ten seconds I'm bubbled, it'd be even harder if I had to regain all that threat. Especially since the panic button for most DPS classes is FD or Vanish, and that would shunt the threat onto the healer, if I understand the mechanic correctly.

An ability that reduces threat, similar to Righteous Fury (you could even make a parallel talent with Imp. RF, saying that while it's active it increases your spell damage by X% while reducing your spell threat by Y%) would greatly increase the use of Retadins in PvE, and marginally the use of Healadins, recognising that paladin heals are low-threat anyway. Since from what I remember of playing a retadin their DPS is currently mostly burst and relies on SoC crits, it seems like it could be hard for them to manage their damage consistently to avoid pulling threat. This might have changed recently, I'm not sure. But in PvE, a comparable 30% threat reduction tied with BoSalv is essentially a massive increase in potential DPS, considering that all other classes have to adhere to a damage limit that the tank can deal with and stay below it.

Naturally, of course, the retadin would have to be capable of doing that kind of damage, which is another issue. I have a friend who is a die-hard retadin; I've been trying to convince him to switch to prot for months now, but he's leveled Ret from 1-70 and he likes it. He regularly spanks our shadow priest in duels and arena, which is a positive mark for Retribution.

Taunt can be Resisted. Better to not lose that aggro in the first place then rely on something that's not a "sure thing". And I didn't just mean bosses, but on trash too (think Shadow Labyrinth Fel Reavers, Slave Pens Champions, etc..). What if your aggro is wiped, and there's more then 3 enemies to taunt? Or it's resisted? I'll keep my bubble with no aggro dump, thanks.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2007 5:53am by Maulgak

paladins can do

Better healing than priests (in most casses with equal gear)
Better aoe tanking than warriors (in most casses with equal gear)
Almost better dps than any class (without an aggro wipe)


What the hell more do you want? why does the entire game not just roll a paladin
who needs cc when they can just tank all the mobs.. and even if one goes down. the other can just pick right back up and tank away.

God damn its getting stupid how crazy overpowered this class is.

seriously though why doesent the whole horde just roll blood elf paladins. its the one class that will never be nerfed lower than any other class. Why?

because blizzard loves them too....


ohh even better just change the games name to "world of paladin warcraft"