Who you think would be the most adaptable class of pvp healing? Like for arenas for instance which of the 2 will have the abilty to adapt easier to their partner? Im looking for a good healer. I was thinking about a druid for the mobility of their healing. Then again the priest's abililty to mana burn is just godly in my opinion. What are your thoughts?
thx,
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I could be way off on this (yet to do arena, mind you) but here's my opinion:
In 2v2, I'd rather have a pally. Blessing of Sacrifice means healer will never be CC'd while I'm taking damage.
In 3v3, I'd rather have a druid. Both druids and shamans have spells designed to keep up 3 people, but I dont like shamans.
In 5v5, I'd probably rather have a priest. More "Oh Snap" buttons to play with and a bit more offensive power.
EDIT: Usually going in with multiple healing classes can increase the survivability of your team by a LOT. I believe druid/paladin was a good pick, both have VERY high armor in one form, and both can heal really well.
Edited, Dec 22nd 2007 2:25am by skribs
In 2v2, I'd rather have a pally. Blessing of Sacrifice means healer will never be CC'd while I'm taking damage.
In 3v3, I'd rather have a druid. Both druids and shamans have spells designed to keep up 3 people, but I dont like shamans.
In 5v5, I'd probably rather have a priest. More "Oh Snap" buttons to play with and a bit more offensive power.
EDIT: Usually going in with multiple healing classes can increase the survivability of your team by a LOT. I believe druid/paladin was a good pick, both have VERY high armor in one form, and both can heal really well.
Edited, Dec 22nd 2007 2:25am by skribs
Paladins and shamans are the 2 worst healers for PvP imo - they are so easily shut down that any team who knows how to play will rape you over and over again. If you want the "best" healer, you should think about which bracket you want to compete in:
2v2: Druids, they are simply far superior to anyone else, though a rogue + priest combo can be good too.
3v3: Priests rolling with mage and rogue are probably the most powerful setup, though druids rolling with rogue and mage are powerful too, and it will really come down to player skills.
5v5: I'd say priest, but in a 4 DPS setup I know druids have been very succesful since their ability to burst heal is better than that of the priests.
Manaburn is godly, correct, but a priest can also be manaburned, a druid can't - I went with a druid, but I sometimes wish I had a priest instead. PW:shield, dispel, massdispel are the abilities I miss the most :P
Edited, Dec 22nd 2007 6:37am by krqllebqlle
2v2: Druids, they are simply far superior to anyone else, though a rogue + priest combo can be good too.
3v3: Priests rolling with mage and rogue are probably the most powerful setup, though druids rolling with rogue and mage are powerful too, and it will really come down to player skills.
5v5: I'd say priest, but in a 4 DPS setup I know druids have been very succesful since their ability to burst heal is better than that of the priests.
Manaburn is godly, correct, but a priest can also be manaburned, a druid can't - I went with a druid, but I sometimes wish I had a priest instead. PW:shield, dispel, massdispel are the abilities I miss the most :P
Edited, Dec 22nd 2007 6:37am by krqllebqlle
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Manaburn is godly, correct, but a priest can also be manaburned, a druid can't
What?
Oh, and btw a paladin comes complete with bubbles, the ability to be 100% immune from losing cast time when taking damage, and the ability to be CC immune so long as someone in the group is taking damage. Yet I guess they can be "locked down" real easy.
Druids in Cat, Bear or Travel form don't have mana bars, so can't be mana burned.
Thank you for your responses. I was asking this because i wanted to make a healer. It seems like the druid is an excellent healer but then it also seems as though a priest can fill the most stops and still come out on top. Um for a 3v3 team how do you feel about a lock, priest, and me the rogue? Will that work or what im not really that knowlegable in that group.
druids 2v2
priests 3v3
priests main or pallys main 5v5 shammys and druids off healers 5v5 for 3 healer and 2 healer matrixs
priests 3v3
priests main or pallys main 5v5 shammys and druids off healers 5v5 for 3 healer and 2 healer matrixs
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Druids in Cat, Bear or Travel form don't have mana bars, so can't be mana burned.
Actually from what I hear druids in feral forms do infact lose thier mana while the spell is active. I havent experienced this personally, but the hunters mana burning ability I have experience with and that does indeed drain man while in feral forms.
Furthermore even if bear/cat were immune to being "burned" the point of this thread is talking about which class is better for healing. And since druids heal in caster form they are just as liable to get mana burned as priests.
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Paladins and shamans are the 2 worst healers for PvP imo - they are so easily shut down that any team who knows how to play will rape you over and over again.
Ummm... No... That is very wrong. For a LONG time paladins have been considered the best PvP healers. Any healer can be as you say "shut down" and I will say that shamans are the easiest to stop. But paladins? No way.
Now for me I say 2 vs. 2 and 3 vs. 3 druids rule the school. Problem is that the druid needs incredible skill and an exceptional computer. I've seen it before where one lag completely threw a druid of his momentum and he was quickly dispatched. In 5 vs. 5 I think priests might have a slight edge. As said they are the most powerful healers and a priests mana burn is a good counter to a paladin.
You do have a mana bar in travel form.
Also, I've heard druids lose their mana in bear / cat forms only in a PvE environment. I'm not entirely sure if this is true, but if it is then woot for the PvP aspect of immunity =).
It also depends on the spec of the healer. A really nice, but strict pvp druid talent spec for healing is: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zjZxG0oZVVIzcqMxsx
You can still heal for PvE, just not as well without the tree. The balance and feral talents are really nice because with feral charge, you can interrupt a spell, and with balance you don't lose interruption while casting entangling roots and cyclone. Plus you have better stealth, and nature's grasp =)
For a priest, a nice healing build is: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxMGzhgtbcqtfVzu
I'm not a priest expert, but Discipline screams a pvp build. Whenever you're critically hit for example, with the build you gain 3 buffs: Martyrdom, Blessed Recovery, and Focused Will. You have a much better PW: Shield, and Pain Suppression, all that good stuff. I wasn't sure where to put the last point so I just put it in Inspiration. With the build you'll probably be critting alot so another possible build is: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxMGzhTtbcqtfV0I
I dunno. Once again, I'm not a priest expert. But the talents seemed great for PvP. In my guild we have a really great priest healer who has a spec that's mostly Disc and some in Holy, which looks a lot like what I posted.
With the PvP spec for druids, you have more CC. With the PvP spec for priests, you're a lot harder to kill, but you're also more of a support class than a healing class. you'll still rock at healing though, but in a raid you wouldn't be as good as a holy priest (putting aside skill and gear).
My personal preference would be a druid healer. If Lifebloom is getting dispelled, bam you get a bunch of health, with a crit chance too. You can heal on the fly. Priests can do so as well, with that jump-healing thing (I think it's called Prayer of Binding? I forget >.<) and Renew. Druids, however, are the masters of HoT.
Sorry for the long post, and GL in your arenas! unless if you're against my arena teams... then... it's clobbering time! ;P
Also, I've heard druids lose their mana in bear / cat forms only in a PvE environment. I'm not entirely sure if this is true, but if it is then woot for the PvP aspect of immunity =).
It also depends on the spec of the healer. A really nice, but strict pvp druid talent spec for healing is: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zjZxG0oZVVIzcqMxsx
You can still heal for PvE, just not as well without the tree. The balance and feral talents are really nice because with feral charge, you can interrupt a spell, and with balance you don't lose interruption while casting entangling roots and cyclone. Plus you have better stealth, and nature's grasp =)
For a priest, a nice healing build is: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxMGzhgtbcqtfVzu
I'm not a priest expert, but Discipline screams a pvp build. Whenever you're critically hit for example, with the build you gain 3 buffs: Martyrdom, Blessed Recovery, and Focused Will. You have a much better PW: Shield, and Pain Suppression, all that good stuff. I wasn't sure where to put the last point so I just put it in Inspiration. With the build you'll probably be critting alot so another possible build is: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxMGzhTtbcqtfV0I
I dunno. Once again, I'm not a priest expert. But the talents seemed great for PvP. In my guild we have a really great priest healer who has a spec that's mostly Disc and some in Holy, which looks a lot like what I posted.
With the PvP spec for druids, you have more CC. With the PvP spec for priests, you're a lot harder to kill, but you're also more of a support class than a healing class. you'll still rock at healing though, but in a raid you wouldn't be as good as a holy priest (putting aside skill and gear).
My personal preference would be a druid healer. If Lifebloom is getting dispelled, bam you get a bunch of health, with a crit chance too. You can heal on the fly. Priests can do so as well, with that jump-healing thing (I think it's called Prayer of Binding? I forget >.<) and Renew. Druids, however, are the masters of HoT.
Sorry for the long post, and GL in your arenas! unless if you're against my arena teams... then... it's clobbering time! ;P
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Druids in Cat, Bear or Travel form don't have mana bars, so can't be mana burned.
Actually from what I hear druids in feral forms do infact lose thier mana while the spell is active. I havent experienced this personally, but the hunters mana burning ability I have experience with and that does indeed drain man while in feral forms.
Furthermore even if bear/cat were immune to being "burned" the point of this thread is talking about which class is better for healing. And since druids heal in caster form they are just as liable to get mana burned as priests.
First off, you do have a mana bar in Travel Form. Mana burns don't work in Bear/Cat, but apparently Viper Sting will continue ticking in feral forms now.
If you're playing your Druid properly you have easily the best resistance to being burned - LoS their Priest around pillars or shift into Bear and then toss Lifebloom(s) before shifting back. Shaman have the second best resistance, at least in smaller arenas, because they can Earth Shock the burn or use Grounding to teat it. Paladins and the most vulnerable to it.
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Paladins and shamans are the 2 worst healers for PvP imo - they are so easily shut down that any team who knows how to play will rape you over and over again.
Ummm... No... That is very wrong. For a LONG time paladins have been considered the best PvP healers. Any healer can be as you say "shut down" and I will say that shamans are the easiest to stop. But paladins? No way.[/quote]
They really are. They have high armor and Bubble, but Mass Dispel > Bubble, there's no instant-cast or HoTs so they can't play the LoS game as well as Druids or Priests and they have no offensive capabilities besides HoJ so they can't assist in the attack or really shut down the opposing healer. Paladins are obscenely vulnerable to Mage CS or Warlock CoT + Felhunter because of their lack of instant casts.
Shamans only saving grace in small groups is totems and Bloodlust in larger groups, but they're hardly ideal... but neither are Paladins, especially in the smaller groups.
These questions i was asking was for to make another toon...so what most of you are saying is that i should make a druid pvp healer? I hear that a priest with over 300 resiliance is the sh*te when it comes to killing them but the problem is i most likly won't be seeing that if ever. With that being said is that more a reson to pick a druid?
thx,
bacckstabb
Edited, Dec 23rd 2007 1:51pm by bacckstabbu
thx,
bacckstabb
Edited, Dec 23rd 2007 1:51pm by bacckstabbu
Yes.
Especially at the lower-end of Resilience, Druids are fairly hard to kill and Priests are pretty easy to kill. Both benefit a lot from Resil, but Priests benefit quite a bit more... so if you don't see yourself getting a ton, go with a Druid.
Even if you do, Druids are better in smaller Arenas by far so meh.
Especially at the lower-end of Resilience, Druids are fairly hard to kill and Priests are pretty easy to kill. Both benefit a lot from Resil, but Priests benefit quite a bit more... so if you don't see yourself getting a ton, go with a Druid.
Even if you do, Druids are better in smaller Arenas by far so meh.
A druid will probably be your best option in 2's. You would want a shadow priest over a holy priest and it would be a different strategy altogether.
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