The only reason I post this subject here is because the vast majority of you seem to be in mature raiding guilds. Think your opinions here would help me make a big descion.
The guild's leader has two RL friends also in the guild. One of them is the problem.
So where to start? Okay I have made friends with another female (mayla) in the guild. We came to the guild for the same reason... to hang out, do some 5 mans and 'see' about raiding sometime in the future. Naturally, we generally feel the same about most game issues, but she's slightly more liberal than I am (shocking I know). Recently, due to some GL life issues, she's become the stand in Guild Leader.
Problems arose when she was checking the vault log and noticed one person in particular had withdrew (shy of 100g but over 80g) for what they say is repairs spread out over the past week or so. (I think this is complete bull, I gave him 100g for his mount as well as his two RL friends in the guild) I know that repairs on equiptment can get rather expensive. However I don't believe a 60-63 undergeared (about half greens half blues) DPS (I hope cuz if he's a tank he sucks) should be spending 100g a week on repairs. General knowledge of the guild was the money was for mount upgrades and things of that nature.
Mayla asked for my advice, I said contact the GL and see what he said (I don't want to be biased, because I already highly dislike the guy). He said that sounded a bit much, and deal with it how she thought best. She contacted said idiot and he said he'd donated to the guild and said if he donates he should be able to withdraw as well. (I have a real problem with this guy he has a habit of calling everyone **** and bit*hes... of course Mayla is not partial to that either, to which any reply to our outrage is "sorry" /log)
Mayla came up with the idea of a pyramid of some sort. Making it mandatory to donate before being granted any level of access to the vault(The reply from the guild to this was complete outrage). I think she's on the right track. I don't think it's enough, but have no idea what to do.
Can anyone tell me what we are doing wrong? Is it something in the female wiring that we don't see what's so bad?
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I see one thing odd, our Gbank shows withdrawal for repairs, and then it just shows withdrawal gold. Our GL made it only high level members can see the bank, and withdrawal anything. His brother still takes gold, but that is between him and the GL. I think you will find the guild has more problems with this person, unless the old GL comes back.
What can you do, or your friend? Grin and bear it or Gquit.
What can you do, or your friend? Grin and bear it or Gquit.
I'm not sure how it works, since I'm not in charge of my guild's bank, but when I go to the repair npc the little gold button that lets me repair out of the guild's funds has a message "# amount of gold availble for repairs today," or some such. Our GL usually allows raiders 25g for repairs on raid days, and most days the amount is 0.
So, if he demands a repair budget out of the guild vault (which I think is pretty leechy, unless he regularly tanks for guild runs) then assign him a given amount for repairs. That way, if he withdraws more money than that, you'll be able to call him on the carpet for it.
If he doesn't want to cough up for his own big repair bills, tell him to roll a hunter :).
p.s. And I don't think it's the female mind - I think it's the "take responsibility for yourself" mind. But I'm a girl too, so it's possible that I'm mistaking the motivations for my own attitude. . .
Edited, Dec 22nd 2007 2:49am by Laecy
So, if he demands a repair budget out of the guild vault (which I think is pretty leechy, unless he regularly tanks for guild runs) then assign him a given amount for repairs. That way, if he withdraws more money than that, you'll be able to call him on the carpet for it.
If he doesn't want to cough up for his own big repair bills, tell him to roll a hunter :).
p.s. And I don't think it's the female mind - I think it's the "take responsibility for yourself" mind. But I'm a girl too, so it's possible that I'm mistaking the motivations for my own attitude. . .
Edited, Dec 22nd 2007 2:49am by Laecy
In a situation like that, these are the steps that I would take (assuming guild leadership was actually transfered to your friend such that she can alter guild vault settings and permissions):
1) Create a guild MotD: "We are in the process of re-evaluating guild bank policies. Guild bank access for all ranks has been temporarly suspended."
2) Set item withdrawal as well as gold withdrawal and repair limits to 0 for all ranks.
3) Wait and see how many people /gquit.
Hopefully, Shmeggles the Wonder Leech will be one of the first to go. This is just my opinion, but the kind of people you want in your guild are the kind who are going to appreciate the guild for the people in it, not the lewt in the bank. Anyone who protests violently or flat out leaves the guild over a temporary guild-wide suspension of access has done nothing than show you their true colors. Make sure the door doesn't hit them on the *** on the way out.
4) Discuss re-evaluating the rank system in your guild. Level 70 raiders in epics can have crazy repair bills...on a progression night, our tank can drop 50g in repairs, and as a Hunter my highest ever repair bill was 30g. A level 60-63 player spending 100g for repairs (especially if he's undergeared as you say?) ********* If he's spending that much out of the guild bank every week, he's dying an *awful* lot and he's not spending any of his own gold out of pocket to cover it. That's simply unacceptable. See about setting up a rank for level 70 raiders and give them access to guild funds for repairs. Everyone else can do like they did before guild banks were introduced: pay their own expenses. As you've said, it *is* a raiding guild, so anyone who is in the guild but doesn't raid for whatever reason who takes issue with not being able to access guild resources to cover their leveling costs doesn't really have justification to *****. If it bothers them that much, they can just not contribute gold or high value items to the bank for sale. Problem solved.
Having raiders able to access guild bank funds for repairs can actually be a benefit. It equalizes the cost amongst all of the raiders, instead of always having your tanks/exceptionally well geared players soaking the brunt of the repair costs.
5) Make it clear to each and every person that when they make a donation to the guild bank (gold and/or items), that that's exactly what they're doing...making a donation. It doesn't entitle them to credit. It doesn't entitle them to preferential treatment. The instant the gold/item leaves their inventory and goes into the bank, it becomes guild property. Of the guilds I've been in where I've enjoyed myself, people don't sell to guildies. They give to guildies and if no guildie can use it, *then* they sell it. If they want the gold from selling it, they don't offer it to guildies. Period.
6) Regardless of whether or not you decide to make any changes, explain to the guy draining the guild gold reserves that he's cut off. Do this before you reinstate access to anyone. Explain to him that he will be given limited access to guild bank funds again once he's paid back every copper that he took for "repairs". If he asks for his stuff back that he donated to the guild before he pays up, tell him no. If he blows a hissy and leaves the guild, you win. Stick to your guns...no repayment, no access to guild funds/items. If he *does* pay it back, tell him that using guild funds for repairs is only an acceptable option if 2 or more guild members participated in a group run with him (assuming 5-man content). Full PUG? Tough. Died 6 times on Ring of Blood? Tough.
I had a similar situation with the guild bank when our guild's main tank started having scheduling difficulties and couldn't join us for most of our regularly scheduled Heroic runs. He started running PUGs on his own, and was debitting the guild bank heavily for repairs. I froze access to the guild bank for his rank, and the next day I logged in to find he had left the guild overnight.
I think the reason Blizzard took so long to implement guild banks was because they knew it would be a source for incredible drama and conflict in a lot of guilds. They seem to have done a pretty decent job of including numerous means of maintaining accountability (permissions, logs), but it's still up to the guild leadership to keep everything under control.
If you can't convince your friend to just up and /gkick the fool, at least make it exceptionally clear to him (and everyone else) that just because there are now funds in a pool from the entire guild doesn't mean they can be slackers and drain the guild bank dry because they don't feel like covering their own expenses.
1) Create a guild MotD: "We are in the process of re-evaluating guild bank policies. Guild bank access for all ranks has been temporarly suspended."
2) Set item withdrawal as well as gold withdrawal and repair limits to 0 for all ranks.
3) Wait and see how many people /gquit.
Hopefully, Shmeggles the Wonder Leech will be one of the first to go. This is just my opinion, but the kind of people you want in your guild are the kind who are going to appreciate the guild for the people in it, not the lewt in the bank. Anyone who protests violently or flat out leaves the guild over a temporary guild-wide suspension of access has done nothing than show you their true colors. Make sure the door doesn't hit them on the *** on the way out.
4) Discuss re-evaluating the rank system in your guild. Level 70 raiders in epics can have crazy repair bills...on a progression night, our tank can drop 50g in repairs, and as a Hunter my highest ever repair bill was 30g. A level 60-63 player spending 100g for repairs (especially if he's undergeared as you say?) ********* If he's spending that much out of the guild bank every week, he's dying an *awful* lot and he's not spending any of his own gold out of pocket to cover it. That's simply unacceptable. See about setting up a rank for level 70 raiders and give them access to guild funds for repairs. Everyone else can do like they did before guild banks were introduced: pay their own expenses. As you've said, it *is* a raiding guild, so anyone who is in the guild but doesn't raid for whatever reason who takes issue with not being able to access guild resources to cover their leveling costs doesn't really have justification to *****. If it bothers them that much, they can just not contribute gold or high value items to the bank for sale. Problem solved.
Having raiders able to access guild bank funds for repairs can actually be a benefit. It equalizes the cost amongst all of the raiders, instead of always having your tanks/exceptionally well geared players soaking the brunt of the repair costs.
5) Make it clear to each and every person that when they make a donation to the guild bank (gold and/or items), that that's exactly what they're doing...making a donation. It doesn't entitle them to credit. It doesn't entitle them to preferential treatment. The instant the gold/item leaves their inventory and goes into the bank, it becomes guild property. Of the guilds I've been in where I've enjoyed myself, people don't sell to guildies. They give to guildies and if no guildie can use it, *then* they sell it. If they want the gold from selling it, they don't offer it to guildies. Period.
6) Regardless of whether or not you decide to make any changes, explain to the guy draining the guild gold reserves that he's cut off. Do this before you reinstate access to anyone. Explain to him that he will be given limited access to guild bank funds again once he's paid back every copper that he took for "repairs". If he asks for his stuff back that he donated to the guild before he pays up, tell him no. If he blows a hissy and leaves the guild, you win. Stick to your guns...no repayment, no access to guild funds/items. If he *does* pay it back, tell him that using guild funds for repairs is only an acceptable option if 2 or more guild members participated in a group run with him (assuming 5-man content). Full PUG? Tough. Died 6 times on Ring of Blood? Tough.
I had a similar situation with the guild bank when our guild's main tank started having scheduling difficulties and couldn't join us for most of our regularly scheduled Heroic runs. He started running PUGs on his own, and was debitting the guild bank heavily for repairs. I froze access to the guild bank for his rank, and the next day I logged in to find he had left the guild overnight.
I think the reason Blizzard took so long to implement guild banks was because they knew it would be a source for incredible drama and conflict in a lot of guilds. They seem to have done a pretty decent job of including numerous means of maintaining accountability (permissions, logs), but it's still up to the guild leadership to keep everything under control.
If you can't convince your friend to just up and /gkick the fool, at least make it exceptionally clear to him (and everyone else) that just because there are now funds in a pool from the entire guild doesn't mean they can be slackers and drain the guild bank dry because they don't feel like covering their own expenses.
I think your spot on with the have to give to get idea. Otherwise what would be the use of the bank? Our guild "not really a High end raiding guild yet" has it set up so you can withdrawl 1 item per page a day. You cannot withdrawl money at all. Any money being given to a specific player will be given by the guild leader to the player.
Most of the members in our guild are adults of 20 or better. Not to say theres some basket cases but the fact remains is we don't have any bank problems. At the end of some runs "usually when there is a large amount of wipes" the guild leader will give the people in the run use of the funds for repairs. If your friend has Guild Leader privilages I say kick that punk.
Just my 2 copper.
Most of the members in our guild are adults of 20 or better. Not to say theres some basket cases but the fact remains is we don't have any bank problems. At the end of some runs "usually when there is a large amount of wipes" the guild leader will give the people in the run use of the funds for repairs. If your friend has Guild Leader privilages I say kick that punk.
Just my 2 copper.
Since some schedule changes at work, I haven't had to deal with the bum lately. Good for me, but Mayla hasn't been on in about 3 days either. I think she may be hiding on an alt.
I've been keeping an eye on what's happening with the bank, but haven't heard how things changed. We had around 350g when the problem started, but that has more than doubled. I assume she figured it out. The jerk is still in the guild, and if I leave the guild, I've got a hand full of godiva that says it's because him.
Thanks for your help, I'm sure everything is alright now.
I've been keeping an eye on what's happening with the bank, but haven't heard how things changed. We had around 350g when the problem started, but that has more than doubled. I assume she figured it out. The jerk is still in the guild, and if I leave the guild, I've got a hand full of godiva that says it's because him.
Thanks for your help, I'm sure everything is alright now.
I think guild banks are a bad idea. All it takes is one jerk to clean out 20 diligent savers and create enough animosity to break a guild. Its kinda like being married. Money problems are the most common source of strife. I help out individuals I feel deserve it and usually just give them whatever the item might be.
Edited, Dec 26th 2007 10:08pm by ItsaGaAs
Edited, Dec 26th 2007 10:08pm by ItsaGaAs
Guild banks are a great idea. Allowing 40 people free access is not.
Guild banks need to be created carefully.
Repair money is only available to raiders and only when actually raiding. Items and gold withdrawals are limited to everyone aside from officers.
We have no requirement to give money to the bank. One of our two main sources of money come from the DE'd stuff from a raid night. The other way we get money is every couple of weeks we'll run through normal SV 5 times or so (only takes 15 min) and DE everything to sell.
For flasks/pots etc, we'll have a herbalist go out with a couple people and we'll farm those trees in skettis.
I think that the money to repair should come from guild activities not members pockets. If I donate 50G and then use it to repair I've really gained nothing from the system. The idea for my guild is to make progression nights not expensive, and so the money needs to come from elsewhere.
Set up limits, and keep an eye on things. If people are being stupid, just cut them off.
Repair money is only available to raiders and only when actually raiding. Items and gold withdrawals are limited to everyone aside from officers.
We have no requirement to give money to the bank. One of our two main sources of money come from the DE'd stuff from a raid night. The other way we get money is every couple of weeks we'll run through normal SV 5 times or so (only takes 15 min) and DE everything to sell.
For flasks/pots etc, we'll have a herbalist go out with a couple people and we'll farm those trees in skettis.
I think that the money to repair should come from guild activities not members pockets. If I donate 50G and then use it to repair I've really gained nothing from the system. The idea for my guild is to make progression nights not expensive, and so the money needs to come from elsewhere.
Set up limits, and keep an eye on things. If people are being stupid, just cut them off.
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His theory to "Withdraw for repairs" is BS because the log will say if he used it to repair from the repair merchant in whatever zone, if he is withdrawing straight cash to "repair" he needs to stop because you can do it from the guild bank werever you are by hitting the "Repair from guild funds" box when you go to the normal repair merchant.
Make sure the GL has a stop on withdrawing G, and suggest he make it so that if anybody needs just straight G, they go to him to get it out of the guild bank, otherwise it will run unchecked and the GB will soon be dry from the likes of your friend.
Make sure the GL has a stop on withdrawing G, and suggest he make it so that if anybody needs just straight G, they go to him to get it out of the guild bank, otherwise it will run unchecked and the GB will soon be dry from the likes of your friend.
*waves excitedly at Caldone*
How's the flood clean up going?
Thanks. Apparently we are doing just fine now. The vault was twice as much as it was when I first posted, now it stands at a little over 1200g. Not bad considering not a one (minus me) is 70.
How's the flood clean up going?
Thanks. Apparently we are doing just fine now. The vault was twice as much as it was when I first posted, now it stands at a little over 1200g. Not bad considering not a one (minus me) is 70.
Personally, I see the guild bank as a supplement when needed.
If you are level 40 and don't have the money for a mount (I never undestoon how they could be se broke...) then you coul duse some. However, I liked it when the leader would have a bank alt, that way he would approve any withdrawal.
I never use a guild bank for anything unrelated. The situations I would use it are basically (but not necessarily limited to):
-A respec that the guild asked me to do.
-Repair bills as a tank, some for off-tanks, little for AoE ranged players and none for ranged.
-Money for PL a craft if the guild asked me to do it. However, if they ask but don't want it PLed, then I would only use it if absolutley necessary. Otherwise, I would go w/ strategy.
-Purchases the guild asked me to make, be it to add to the materials stock, a personal item to better my role, etc.
However, many of these things I would pay out of pocket for anyway. In my opinion, the bank is used to make it less stressful on a player to fulfill his role. It is not there to make your life easier, it is there to make the guild's life easier.
Would you have ever bought that enchant if the guild didn't ask you to? Ask the leader if it is alright to use the guild's mats or cash to get it, at least partially.
Are you respeccing to something like survival, because your leader asked you to? Well then, ask if the bank could cover your respec cost, and how much was he/she willing to allocate to you to regear.
Does your role routinely put you in harm's way during instances? Ask your leader how much you are allowed for raid repair bills.
Honestly, I see the guild's banks purpose to fulfill two roles:
-To help gear up the lagging players.
-To alleviate the pain for players in key roles. (repair bills, certain potions, etc.)
It is not there to make leveling your alt easier. It is not there to let you fool around stupidly w/ a new craft for free. You want to be an enchanter? Fine. Does your guild need another one? No? Well then, you pay for it on your own, or level up alchemy or whatever the guild wants.
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Place a restriction based on class/spec for the guild. I assume you have a master list. Maybe you could give your main tanks something like 50g, your OTs 25g, your DDs 10g and your ranged 5g? (I mean where they spend most of their time. If you have a Survivalist that gets hit alot, give him more, etc.)
Tell any player that would regularly be withdrawing gold for a specific reason to email you a petition in or out of game. Review it and allocate recourses (and specify how much you expect to get back, if any).
After that, have players message or mail you for specific requests. Mounts, respeccs (personal), enchants, etc.
It may **** people off at first, but they will get used to it. And once they are out of a greed-based mind set, loosen up slightly.
Edited, Dec 28th 2007 1:19am by idiggory
If you are level 40 and don't have the money for a mount (I never undestoon how they could be se broke...) then you coul duse some. However, I liked it when the leader would have a bank alt, that way he would approve any withdrawal.
I never use a guild bank for anything unrelated. The situations I would use it are basically (but not necessarily limited to):
-A respec that the guild asked me to do.
-Repair bills as a tank, some for off-tanks, little for AoE ranged players and none for ranged.
-Money for PL a craft if the guild asked me to do it. However, if they ask but don't want it PLed, then I would only use it if absolutley necessary. Otherwise, I would go w/ strategy.
-Purchases the guild asked me to make, be it to add to the materials stock, a personal item to better my role, etc.
However, many of these things I would pay out of pocket for anyway. In my opinion, the bank is used to make it less stressful on a player to fulfill his role. It is not there to make your life easier, it is there to make the guild's life easier.
Would you have ever bought that enchant if the guild didn't ask you to? Ask the leader if it is alright to use the guild's mats or cash to get it, at least partially.
Are you respeccing to something like survival, because your leader asked you to? Well then, ask if the bank could cover your respec cost, and how much was he/she willing to allocate to you to regear.
Does your role routinely put you in harm's way during instances? Ask your leader how much you are allowed for raid repair bills.
Honestly, I see the guild's banks purpose to fulfill two roles:
-To help gear up the lagging players.
-To alleviate the pain for players in key roles. (repair bills, certain potions, etc.)
It is not there to make leveling your alt easier. It is not there to let you fool around stupidly w/ a new craft for free. You want to be an enchanter? Fine. Does your guild need another one? No? Well then, you pay for it on your own, or level up alchemy or whatever the guild wants.
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Place a restriction based on class/spec for the guild. I assume you have a master list. Maybe you could give your main tanks something like 50g, your OTs 25g, your DDs 10g and your ranged 5g? (I mean where they spend most of their time. If you have a Survivalist that gets hit alot, give him more, etc.)
Tell any player that would regularly be withdrawing gold for a specific reason to email you a petition in or out of game. Review it and allocate recourses (and specify how much you expect to get back, if any).
After that, have players message or mail you for specific requests. Mounts, respeccs (personal), enchants, etc.
It may **** people off at first, but they will get used to it. And once they are out of a greed-based mind set, loosen up slightly.
Edited, Dec 28th 2007 1:19am by idiggory
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*waves excitedly at Caldone*
How's the flood clean up going?
Thanks. Apparently we are doing just fine now. The vault was twice as much as it was when I first posted, now it stands at a little over 1200g. Not bad considering not a one (minus me) is 70.
How's the flood clean up going?
Thanks. Apparently we are doing just fine now. The vault was twice as much as it was when I first posted, now it stands at a little over 1200g. Not bad considering not a one (minus me) is 70.
It's going decent, I got my car dried out and it started like a champ, though I missed my Rayne in the time passed. I hate Rain, but love my Rayne :)
Glad things are working out for you, it took awhile for alot of people to figure out the Guild bank, though they did the opposite, they started with everybody restricted, then opened things up as they figured them out :)
Sounds to me like he has used the guild's gold to finance his own equipment or mount purchases. Find another guild man, why bother with a guild that is going to allow it's members to be ripped off?
I don't think I care much for Guild Banks.
In my last Guild the GM had piles of alts loaded with all kinds of items, and used the Guild Roster bank character add-on to make them visible to the members. The system was good, but no one used it except on rare occasions, and then the Officers were so slow to reply to posted bank requests that many people just got the items themselves via the AH or other means. And then the Officers would gripe about how the members were too good for green items.
Um, yeah. Almost any player is more than capable of picking up their own greens, it's only the blues or some annoying to collect crafting mats which are worthwhile asking the Guild bank for. I recommended that they sell or melt all the greens, and offer the mats to those leveling Enchanting, but that never happened.
And the new Guild Bank system seems little better, causing issues more than it helps people.
Has anyone seen a Guild Bank really work well for the Guild as a whole, as opposed to being a cause of issues?
In my last Guild the GM had piles of alts loaded with all kinds of items, and used the Guild Roster bank character add-on to make them visible to the members. The system was good, but no one used it except on rare occasions, and then the Officers were so slow to reply to posted bank requests that many people just got the items themselves via the AH or other means. And then the Officers would gripe about how the members were too good for green items.
Um, yeah. Almost any player is more than capable of picking up their own greens, it's only the blues or some annoying to collect crafting mats which are worthwhile asking the Guild bank for. I recommended that they sell or melt all the greens, and offer the mats to those leveling Enchanting, but that never happened.
And the new Guild Bank system seems little better, causing issues more than it helps people.
Has anyone seen a Guild Bank really work well for the Guild as a whole, as opposed to being a cause of issues?
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Has anyone seen a Guild Bank really work well for the Guild as a whole, as opposed to being a cause of issues?
*raises hand*
Admittedly, I'm in a small social guild who mostly know each other RL (our loot policy on guild runs is, "Be chill."). The bank is used to store items that can be used by crafters (enchanting mats, ore, herbs, leather, cloth, etc.), crafted items made for skill-ups, and various items that might aid low-level alts in leveling. We also store rare stuff like the Darkmoon cards. Money in the guild funds are mostly for repairs on guild runs and to give new members a little help with mounts (we give mains a small amount at 40, 60, and 70 to aid in purchasing their first mounts and training). If someone needs or wants a specific item from the bank, they ask in guild chat or on the website, and if no one objects, they generally get the item (this applies to the GM and officers, as well). Donations are strictly voluntary.
The system works because everyone is friendly and honest, and no one really wants drama.
The more prone to drama a guild is, the more likely said drama will involve the guild bank. The easiest way to avoid problems, in my opinion, requires a highly involved and active leader keeping tight reign on bank access. No one could withdraw items or funds without GL approval, not even officers. The GL would have to be fair and trustworthy, however, dispensing funds and items where and when they're really needed and avoiding favoritism.
There is one nice thing about guild bank. You can make your mule a GM and have your own guild bank, my alts are officers and I have my own gmotd. It is kinda fun and with 3 tabs around 70% filled ;p and some* gold deposited. Feels like carnival, admitingly, I didn't really need* guild bank per say but it sure was fun making a guild and having all that control, and we play wow for fun.
Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 6:21pm by Elustriel
Edited, Jan 3rd 2008 6:21pm by Elustriel
We only run items through our Guild Bank, no gold at all. If guildies need gold, they are responsible to get it or borrow it on their own. The guild has to stay out of gold issues.
I do believe in storing 'useful' items for up and coming toons in the guild bank. You just find useful stuff all the time and know it won't AH well, at least not as well as a toon that can get 10 levels of use out of it. The guild leader just watches the withdrawls.
I do believe in storing 'useful' items for up and coming toons in the guild bank. You just find useful stuff all the time and know it won't AH well, at least not as well as a toon that can get 10 levels of use out of it. The guild leader just watches the withdrawls.
Our bank works pretty well. We're still fundraising for the final 5k tab, so gold issues are non-existent. No one gets any gold til its bought.
Our biggest problem is not having enough slots for our donations. Our 4 tabs are filled to the gills and we're still using banking alts w/duckie bank as warehouses. I'm one of three folks who have unlimited access to the bank, others have limited withdraw capability and everyone can deposit. I go through almost daily to withdraw any greens we have, along with extra stacks of materials (2 stack max is our policy). The greens get DE'd and the mats deposited. Any extra stacks get AH'd.
If anything, I'd like our guildies to make MORE requests from the bank. We have nearly a full tab full of blues, many of which have been in there entirely too long.
Our biggest problem is not having enough slots for our donations. Our 4 tabs are filled to the gills and we're still using banking alts w/duckie bank as warehouses. I'm one of three folks who have unlimited access to the bank, others have limited withdraw capability and everyone can deposit. I go through almost daily to withdraw any greens we have, along with extra stacks of materials (2 stack max is our policy). The greens get DE'd and the mats deposited. Any extra stacks get AH'd.
If anything, I'd like our guildies to make MORE requests from the bank. We have nearly a full tab full of blues, many of which have been in there entirely too long.
I just feel awkward asking for things, so maybe my opinion is skewed.
Unless it is something that I cannot get on my own, I wouldn't draw for it. Excpetions being if I hadn't been able to update a key gear piece because of bad luck/ninjas. Then, I would ask the guild.
Unless it is something that I cannot get on my own, I wouldn't draw for it. Excpetions being if I hadn't been able to update a key gear piece because of bad luck/ninjas. Then, I would ask the guild.
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Well, unfortunately yesterday I logged on to find that even more had gone missing from the vault (400g plus all the blues), Mayla been kicked out, people who withdrew a lot of gold had left, and the guy I had so many problems with, was now the guild leader. Needless to say /gquit was all I did.
Got mail from Mayla, and she's thinking of starting her own guild or finding a new one. I'm gonna go with her. She'd be a great guild leader, and besides, I always follow girls ;)
Got mail from Mayla, and she's thinking of starting her own guild or finding a new one. I'm gonna go with her. She'd be a great guild leader, and besides, I always follow girls ;)
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I always follow girls ;)
*CHEER*
me too
*follows behind RL Girlfriend, and watches her hips*
later!! :p
Raynebow wrote:
Well, unfortunately yesterday I logged on to find that even more had gone missing from the vault (400g plus all the blues), Mayla been kicked out, people who withdrew a lot of gold had left, and the guy I had so many problems with, was now the guild leader.
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