Healing a crappy PuG and taking blameFollow

Short version: Eff 'em.

Long version: Even IF you sucked at healing, which from the non-objective sounds of it you don't, nasty tells like that indicate to me immature players not worth worrying about for one split second. The rogue pulling aggro and ******** violently about lack of healing, warrior charging ahead while you drink...I wouldn't think you'd particularly want to party with them again anyway.

I've been in groups that went REALLY bad, and sometimes it was clearly the fault of one player or another, in one wipe or another, and with only a 2 or 3 exceptions that I remember specifically, it's always been very civil and cooperative. I don't know how old YOU are, but I find that partying with other "old people" like me (35) results in much more amiable and enjoyable experiences, regardless of how fast or successful a run might be.

Net-net is still "eff 'em." : )

Such a display of immaturity from them is a good (bad) sign that you don't want to play with them.

I still think Blizz should put some must-do quests in the game that would somehow explain the mechanics and "successful tactics" in this game so that everyone would get a general idea of how to do this and that.

It never fails to amaze me that people get to 70, get some pretty decent gear, and still don't know jack about threat, or to keep an eye on your healer's mana and all that.


While that is generally true, I find that blindly applying this is equally stupid as ignoring it. Tanks can do some pretty stupid things during a fight that will cause the healer too much trouble and will result in the tank's death being his own fault.

Quick example: Tank is taking damage, you heal him at a constant rate. Then he gets violently crush'd/crit'd and you start casting a Regrowth, for example, to catch up with the quick sudden loss of health. Just before it finishes casting, he steps behind something that cuts LoS. Your HoT's end and you can't start casting anything without moving. Your tank dies. Your fault? Not entirely.

Perhaps there were things you could've done, but if the tank didn't cut LoS himself you probably could've kept him up.

So basically it's really situational, but usually unless a player is truly retarded there's always a way to talk things out, give advices to someone who seems to lack knowledge about the more intricate mechanics.

Edited, Dec 21st 2007 12:42pm by Selverein

Well thats exactly while I said generally. Its definately more:

If the tank is doing what he is supposed to do and dies, its the healers fault
If the healer is doing what he is supposed to and dies, its the tanks fault
If DPS is doing what they are suppose to do they shouldnt die, unless their is AoE

Saying its equally stupid to follow the general phrase as ignoring it is a bit extreme. Just about everyone that hears that knows that their are sitations where basic formulas just do not work out. I will say that it is stupid to take the staement a 100% literally, but once again most of the people whose heard it know what I mean when I say it.

I did RFC on my druid the other day, with a warrior that would NOT off-tank "because I'm DPS" (and I might add, my friend - the main tank - did not have swipe yet, making it very difficult to hold threat on multiple mobs), and if I was OOM but he had rage he'd charge into the next 4-man pull, because "I have rage and I dont want to waste it."

Basically, he wont do what we want, but we should do what he wants...

The worst part about people like this is me and my friend are like "***** him, let him die" but the other group members are stupid enough to get in combat with him, and we dont want to let them down...

As to the OP, when the rogue died, it was his fault. If the tank didnt let you drink and went out of LOS, it was his fault.

seriously, I've met adults who played worse than most teenagers, so suit yourself if you want an adult only server, but seriously, it would suck...

It's not always as simple as that. Some tanks hold aggro better than other, some healers can get by with less mana than others, etc. If the healer is low on mana and lets the tank die, is it the tanks fault for pulling to early, or the healers fault for wasting mana and not healing properly? It's not always so clear cut.

I've tanked some pretty crappy pugs in my time and usually, it's the DPS's fault (not to point fingers at GOOD DPS).

I was in a group for Shattered halls not too long ago. The group makeup wasn't the best--Mage, rogue, warrior(me), resto druid(guildie and good friend) and one other class. We did fine till the room with the guys in the pits. By accident we pulled not only the pit but the pull behind it as well. 6-8 mobs were all over us. I was able to keep them on me and thankfully, we were able to pull through because of the skill of the DPS classes--they kept their DPS on the target I had selected, not one of their own choosing.

Then at the other extreme, when I was a newer 70 (mostly blues, a few greens) I was in a VERY bad SV group. The group's mage had no threat meter, pulled agro off me with AP-POM Pyros and wouldn't stop even after we warned him about it. It was late in the night and we didn't feel like finding a replacement so we let it go. He pulled agro off the second boss and proceeded to blink off the edge of the ledge and fall into the lake, killing himself. The group's healer (who had been healing him) pulled agro next because of the healer threat. The boss 2 shot him and we wiped.
The mage was kicked soon after.


Healing is a VERY tough job and when a group wipes (even if I know its the healer's fault) I won't make a huge scene out of it. I may say something privately to him or maybe ask him what happened but by no means, make rude comments to him or her because of the wipe. Healers, like tanks are hard to find on my server and losing one because of a simple mistake isn't worth it to me.

If that rogue pulled threat and died then ******* at me, I would have have told him straight to "stfu" and that I wont heal him next time he pulls agro. That kind of attitude deserves attitude back, as simple as that.

Don't take it personally, my necro-posting young friend.

Note that none of us fogies said anything about avoiding or mistreating youngsta's, so it's not a matter of discrimination. We're just sharing our observation that in our experience younger players are generally more likely to be l33t-speaking little ***** that pop off at the slightest provocation and take the game too seriously. Note the emphasis on "generally" -- so congratulations on being a mature and responsible player, and being a good ambassador for your age group. Keep up the good work. : )

Dont beat yourself up over it Chemchord, it was obviously the rogues fault the first time, and it was the warriors fault the second time(the idiot should not expect you to be at full mana after every pull)

I'd help you punch those SoBs out irl