Damn, damn, damn!!!!! Oh...sorry! It's just that it's hard enough being a Squishy as it is. I've worked my tail off (not a druid), getting the epic BG gear and weapons, so you'd think I could be somewhat competitive in the BG. As it turns out, I'm simple a wet stone for any rouge to sharpen his blade on. You'd think Blizzard would at least give me a chance to RUN, but NOOOOOOOO!
So yes, IMHO, there is an OP class, and it's not the lock. I'm considering changing my name in the phone book to Mrs. Rogues *****!....:(
Sorry for the obvious frustration!
Edited, Dec 21st 2007 1:55am by Hips
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Every class is OP against certain other classes. The rogue is the Warlock's biggest threat. But up against a warrior, the rogue will crumble. If there was a class that could be all other classes easily, then everyone would play that class and negate the Overpoweredness and end up destroying the universe.
Last night was my first foray into arenas (I'm in a brand new 3v3 team). I've done a fair number of bg's (enough to get 2 pieces of s1 arena gear, but that's it), and I know that there are some classes *cough* rogue *cough* that just rip me a new one and I accept defeat at their hands time and time again.
Last night, though, I just kept banging my head in frustration. It seemed that every team we went up against had either a warrior or a rogue, and they made a beeline for me first every single frickin time. Some fights I barely got 1 spell off, much less 2. I was usually incapacitated before I could do anything more. I tried succy for seduce and it didn't help.
Thinking I may respec to a felguard build and see if that's more helpful. I really felt like an anchor to my team last night. It was very humbling.
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Last night, though, I just kept banging my head in frustration. It seemed that every team we went up against had either a warrior or a rogue, and they made a beeline for me first every single frickin time. Some fights I barely got 1 spell off, much less 2. I was usually incapacitated before I could do anything more. I tried succy for seduce and it didn't help.
Thinking I may respec to a felguard build and see if that's more helpful. I really felt like an anchor to my team last night. It was very humbling.
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Not sure what your build is, but you should try an Affliction heavy build or SL/SL. Also, you will want your felpup out for the paranoia buff. I find that if you can see a rogue, you can kill a rogue.
Currently heavy affliction, with the rest divided between demo and destruction. I have about 8500 health unbuffed, but my resilience stinks. I just get taken down way too fast for my liking. Thinking I might respec to demo to gain more survivability until I get better gear.
Also, I had a thought that might be fun once an hour. Is the infernal available in arenas? Just curious.
Opt
Also, I had a thought that might be fun once an hour. Is the infernal available in arenas? Just curious.
Opt
Hips wrote:
Damn, damn, damn!!!!! Oh...sorry! It's just that it's hard enough being a Squishy as it is. I've worked my tail off (not a druid), getting the epic BG gear and weapons, so you'd think I could be somewhat competitive in the BG. As it turns out, I'm simple a piece of meat for you to DOT and fear to death. You'd think Blizzard would at least give me a chance to fight back aginst spell lock and fear, but NOOOOOOOO!
So yes, IMHO, there is an OP class, and it's not the mage. I'm considering changing my name in the phone book to Mrs. Locks *****!....:(
Sorry for the obvious frustration!
So yes, IMHO, there is an OP class, and it's not the mage. I'm considering changing my name in the phone book to Mrs. Locks *****!....:(
Sorry for the obvious frustration!
Fixed for a proper viewpoint....
Edited, Dec 21st 2007 12:54pm by yodale
Hey Dos,
Try this build, it's the SL/SL build which supposedly gives you the most survivability you can get.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRckoZbxczIiz0es
I don't do arena anymore, so I use a 45/5/11 build now.
Try this build, it's the SL/SL build which supposedly gives you the most survivability you can get.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRckoZbxczIiz0es
I don't do arena anymore, so I use a 45/5/11 build now.
I may give that a try. We didn't have a healer last night in our 3v3, but we have one on the team and I'm going to see what it's like with him around. If survivability is still an issue, I'll probably go with the SL/SL build you provided. Thanks!
~Optamos
~Optamos
To be fair, we destroy mages much harder then rogues destroy us. Theres a few classes who have no chance against locks. So in short its fine. Run around beside a warrior, they destroy rogues =)
Edited, Dec 21st 2007 5:37pm by mikelolol
Edited, Dec 21st 2007 5:37pm by mikelolol
dude, rogues aint hard. dOT and run man! RUN! They die you win ;).(if you are) a locks massive health pool should win out.
Its like my guild message of the day used to say:
Being a warlock is like "Hmmm... its quiet, too quie- OMG STUNLOCK DEAD.
But yea, like Ailitardif said, if you can see the rouge, you can beat it. I find in rouge vs lock, whoever gets in the first attack usually wins. If I get it, I'll usually fear, DoT, iHoT if they get close, death coil if absolutely necessary (or if you like being a prick), and then waiting for them to die. If they do get the first drop though, there is very little you can do but mash on the lolcoil button and pray your SS is up.
Being a warlock is like "Hmmm... its quiet, too quie- OMG STUNLOCK DEAD.
But yea, like Ailitardif said, if you can see the rouge, you can beat it. I find in rouge vs lock, whoever gets in the first attack usually wins. If I get it, I'll usually fear, DoT, iHoT if they get close, death coil if absolutely necessary (or if you like being a prick), and then waiting for them to die. If they do get the first drop though, there is very little you can do but mash on the lolcoil button and pray your SS is up.
Yeah it's fairly simple in my opinion. Yes, Rogues are a bit of a challenge, if not played well up against!
PLAN:(If you are Affliction)Have the Felhunter out at all times. his will help you spot a stealthed Rogue, and be able to get the first punch. As he's coming towards you while stealthed and if you have a fast enough reflex time, cast Curse of Exhaustion and gain some distance, enough distance to get a Fear off. DoT & Run.
If he breaks Fear, keep running for about 5 more seconds. This means he has either popped his PvP trinket or Cloak of Shadows. Either way, keep running and gain some more distance, while spamming Curse of Exhaustion (if he used Cloak of Shadows and you keep getting resists). Once you've waited about 5 seconds, cast Fear again, if he breaks it again, just run and DoT him up. If he is sprinting back towards you. cast Death Coil and gain some more yards. Sprint will still be up, and this is where another Fear comes into play or iHot.
It's a really simple fight, but you must get the first punch. Just kite him.(I just felt like typing a lot.)
PLAN:(If you are Affliction)Have the Felhunter out at all times. his will help you spot a stealthed Rogue, and be able to get the first punch. As he's coming towards you while stealthed and if you have a fast enough reflex time, cast Curse of Exhaustion and gain some distance, enough distance to get a Fear off. DoT & Run.
If he breaks Fear, keep running for about 5 more seconds. This means he has either popped his PvP trinket or Cloak of Shadows. Either way, keep running and gain some more distance, while spamming Curse of Exhaustion (if he used Cloak of Shadows and you keep getting resists). Once you've waited about 5 seconds, cast Fear again, if he breaks it again, just run and DoT him up. If he is sprinting back towards you. cast Death Coil and gain some more yards. Sprint will still be up, and this is where another Fear comes into play or iHot.
It's a really simple fight, but you must get the first punch. Just kite him.(I just felt like typing a lot.)
Don't get me wrong, I have melted a few if I got the chance to see them. I use my Felguard most of the time, who rarely stuns the Rogue. I have 8k+ hp, and decent resilience, but if he saps me, it all over and I never get a cast off.
Is there a trinket that will break a Sap?
Is there a trinket that will break a Sap?
Just the normal Insignia of the Horde breaks it.
Ailitardif wrote:
Hey Dos,
Try this build, it's the SL/SL build which supposedly gives you the most survivability you can get.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRckoZbxczIiz0es
I don't do arena anymore, so I use a 45/5/11 build now.
Try this build, it's the SL/SL build which supposedly gives you the most survivability you can get.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRckoZbxczIiz0es
I don't do arena anymore, so I use a 45/5/11 build now.
Shadow Embrace and no Nightfall? What kind of a monster are you?!
I'd go with this instead. Still SL/SL, but you get Nightfall, no Shadow Embrace and only 2/3 Demonic Resilience. Insta-Shadow bolts just seem worth it.
Shadow Embrace isn't worth anything after the nerf. Well, maybe in raids, but not PvP.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
With 8k+ hp and decent resi,im guessing about 150(?),you'll loose to almost every rogue.Sad but true.
BUT,once you get 12+ hp / 400+ resi,things will change,alot =).
Edited, Dec 27th 2007 5:06am by shoarmakip
BUT,once you get 12+ hp / 400+ resi,things will change,alot =).
Edited, Dec 27th 2007 5:06am by shoarmakip
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Shadow Embrace and no Nightfall? What kind of a monster are you?!
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I'd go with this instead. Still SL/SL, but you get Nightfall, no Shadow Embrace and only 2/3 Demonic Resilience. Insta-Shadow bolts just seem worth it.
Shadow Embrace isn't worth anything after the nerf. Well, maybe in raids, but not PvP.
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I'd go with this instead. Still SL/SL, but you get Nightfall, no Shadow Embrace and only 2/3 Demonic Resilience. Insta-Shadow bolts just seem worth it.
Shadow Embrace isn't worth anything after the nerf. Well, maybe in raids, but not PvP.
Shadow embrace is still another effect to pad your dots on a target from being dispelled. Its applied automatically, so its not like you have to cast it.
Of course nightfall is key in a SL/SL build too, but there should always be room for both (1pt in SE).
I'd go with the tried and true 23/38 or 24/37. Your build lacks mana feed, your felhunter will go OOM in longish fights and become worthless. A single point in mana feed is fine, he just needs a way to regen a bit of mana through your lifetaps. Empowered corruption really isn't a big deal in a SL/SL build.
And its easy to hit cap yourself in PVP without needing a single point in suppression. You have to spend a spare point somewhere, so I usually put it in CoW - its a decent curse for rogues/warriors/hunter pets who aren't being focus fired. Rogues especially, they bring pretty low AP into arenas and CoW hurts them a fair bit.
This is pretty much the cookie cutter SL/SL build - http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVorVRbkoZbxczIizzes
Edited, Dec 27th 2007 4:46pm by mikelolol
Hips wrote:
Damn, damn, damn!!!!! Oh...sorry! It's just that it's hard enough being a Squishy as it is. I've worked my tail off (not a druid), getting the epic BG gear and weapons, so you'd think I could be somewhat competitive in the BG. As it turns out, I'm simple a wet stone for any rouge to sharpen his blade on. You'd think Blizzard would at least give me a chance to RUN, but NOOOOOOOO!
So yes, IMHO, there is an OP class, and it's not the lock. I'm considering changing my name in the phone book to Mrs. Rogues *****!....:(
Sorry for the obvious frustration!
Edited, Dec 21st 2007 1:55am by Hips
So yes, IMHO, there is an OP class, and it's not the lock. I'm considering changing my name in the phone book to Mrs. Rogues *****!....:(
Sorry for the obvious frustration!
Edited, Dec 21st 2007 1:55am by Hips
what is your unbuffed hp and what is your resil, and do you have any s2/s3pieces
with my rogue I find that it's quite hard to drop a well geared lock anytime during stunlock.
from the way your talking about your experiences you sound like you have no resil... and you aren't SL
I get 1.5k SS's on locks like you :) thepoint of thelock now is to get enuf hp and resil that you can live thru the stunlock and then proceed to fear own him senseless as well as drain tank
I have to agree with this thread. Stunlocking is getting rediculus. Everytime I go into a BG Im always on the lookout for a rouge duel-weilding maces. Anout 9/10 times he'll get the jump on me and at 12k hp he'll put me in a stunlock at full health and the next thing I get the opportunity to click on is the release button.
I'll agree cloak of shadows is really irritating, with crippling poison its makes it really hard to get out of melee range, but the stunlocking is insane at times.
In general though there a bane to most casters
~COS - almost perfect spell immunity
~Crippling poison- to keep us in melee range
~Wound poison- to hurt healing by spells or drain life
~Sprint- to stay in melee range to to run from a ***** up
~Vanish- to restart a stunlock or to stop a ***** up on their part
~Kick- counter and silence a spell group for a few seconds
~Garrote- silence and dot from stealth (though hurts stunlocking)
~Blind- 10s crowd control...almost impossible to resist - restart stunlock
~Sap- CC that doesnt break stealth
~Stunlock- If its a good rogue its pretty much autodeath
Fun Fun Fun
~Daedrath
I'll agree cloak of shadows is really irritating, with crippling poison its makes it really hard to get out of melee range, but the stunlocking is insane at times.
In general though there a bane to most casters
~COS - almost perfect spell immunity
~Crippling poison- to keep us in melee range
~Wound poison- to hurt healing by spells or drain life
~Sprint- to stay in melee range to to run from a ***** up
~Vanish- to restart a stunlock or to stop a ***** up on their part
~Kick- counter and silence a spell group for a few seconds
~Garrote- silence and dot from stealth (though hurts stunlocking)
~Blind- 10s crowd control...almost impossible to resist - restart stunlock
~Sap- CC that doesnt break stealth
~Stunlock- If its a good rogue its pretty much autodeath
Fun Fun Fun
~Daedrath
RaathXX wrote:
~COS - almost perfect spell immunity
~Crippling poison- to keep us in melee range
~Wound poison- to hurt healing by spells or drain life
~Sprint- to stay in melee range to to run from a ***** up
~Vanish- to restart a stunlock or to stop a ***** up on their part
~Kick- counter and silence a spell group for a few seconds
~Garrote- silence and dot from stealth (though hurts stunlocking)
~Blind- 10s crowd control...almost impossible to resist - restart stunlock
~Sap- CC that doesnt break stealth
~Stunlock- If its a good rogue its pretty much autodeath
Fun Fun Fun
~Daedrath
1: Rogues are meant to be cloth killers , which they really fail at nowadays.
2: Vanish is horribly bugged (pets attacking us in stealth when vanished).
3: The silence part on kick is talented.
4: Since when does Garrote silence?
5: Blind has never been longer than 8 seconds, and you can trinket out of it.
Example:
if you trinket out of a:
A: Cheapshot , a kidney shot will follow
B: Kidneyshot, a blind will follow(which will allow the to restealth and start all over again)
When a rogue blinds, they will bandage/and or stealth away and you can pretty much ruin that trick by breaking out of a blind with your trinket.
This post is not to whine about our class to be weak, but just know when to trinket.
Scholar
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Sorry new lock here, so what does SL/SL and iHot stand for?
Nitelorde wrote:
Sorry new lock here, so what does SL/SL and iHot stand for?
SL\SL stands for , Siphon life\Soul link. Those are abilities awarded from the talent trees Affliction\Demonology.
This talent spec is commonly chosen by warlocks in arenas where survivability is a big thing.
iHoT is (when you spec deep into the affliction tree) instant Howl of Terror
HoT is with classes with healing abilities more known as Healing over Time, which can sometimes confuse one and another.
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4: Since when does Garrote silence?
Since rank 7 :P
Garrote the enemy, silencing them for 3 seconds and causing 666 damage over 18 seconds, increased by attack power. Must be stealthed and behind the target. Awards 1 combo points.
A nice opener on mages who are used to blinking the second you cheapshot them. Gives you time to plant a shiv or 2.
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Wheras we are apparently op towards mages and almost every other class.
Magetears are OP against blizzard (ie see something a mage is qqing about in the forums trust me they will get it next patch).
they wanted locks nerfed - done
they wanted res to affect dots - done
they wanted a non talent water ele - done
they wanted a free mage tray for bg's - done
(for the last 2 read the 2.4 patch notes and laugh)
so all in all imo magetears are the OP factor here.
Magetears are OP against blizzard (ie see something a mage is qqing about in the forums trust me they will get it next patch).
they wanted locks nerfed - done
they wanted res to affect dots - done
they wanted a non talent water ele - done
they wanted a free mage tray for bg's - done
(for the last 2 read the 2.4 patch notes and laugh)
so all in all imo magetears are the OP factor here.
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