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#1 Dec 20 2007 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
Not that he really went anywhere, but his power had definitely diminished. As many of you might remember, I went from Beastmastery to Survival a while back. Back then, I was the only Hunter willing to switch to that specc for Raid purposes. The switch was painful. Hundreds of gold thrown into regemming, and switching out gear. The Ebon Netherscale set I had looked forward to suddenly became a downgrade from Felstalker, and my future loot possibilities was grim indeed.

After persevering for so long, I finally reached my goal. A minimum of 550 agility unbuffed, and the critrating to follow up on it. I was Karazhan ready, and had even gotten myself the Scorpid for DPS purposes.

Now, after seeing everything in Karazhan, setting Gruul straight on the matter of who got to call themselves Dragonkiller, boiling Lurker in his own little pond and shooting Void Reaver in the face until it stopped being funny... Well... I was bored. My Humar was obviously displeased with how things were, and more often than not neglected to keep my enemies at bay. I myself found life as a Survival Hunter had its perks, but was definitely not the way I truly liked things.

Besides, most of the Hunters in the raidgroup felt Survival was awesome after all, and wanted to respecc.

So my Big Angry Humar is back!

That's right. 41/20/0 just replaced 5/20/36.

And I am bloody lovin' it! My DPS on Prince (first raid after respecc) was 787 according to SWStats, and the only buff I had was Mark of the Wild, Fort and some other inconsequential buffs. Downing Prince in four minutes is always fun, even more so when I go from the second/third spot on damage meters to first by a margin of eight percent.

Downing Maulgar afterwards just for shits and giggles, actually awarded me with my first headpiece upgrade since I made myself my stylin' leather hat. Of course, this means Prince will actually drop my last Tier 4 item before fourpiece bonus, but I am used to getting things after they don't really matter that much.

And it turns out, there's a world of loot out there that I can now actually use! Ring of a Thousand Marks was never a feasible upgrade for me, but now I could actually use it. Agility isn't really needed on an item anymore! I can loot stuff! When that realization hit me, I was through the roof.

Now that none of our Rogues actually need Malchazeen anymore, I can actually take it if I want to. Malchazeen on one hip, and Spiteblade on my back? Both with a 20 agility enchant on them? Can anyone say Pornographic looks?

And what could ever compare with that feeling you get when people who have never considered you a threat on the damage meters suddenly get those beads of sweat on their forehead when they realize that you are past them, and still accelerating?

All I need now is 50 gold to replace that +hit gem I have on my chest with +8 Agility, and another 90 gold to put the Ferocity glyph on my headpiece. Ah well... with my new specc, that money is farmed in less than half an hour. A stack of 20 Thick Clefthoof leather ought to sell for around that much, and the trash loot should tip the scales into profit even after that. With my previous specc, that would have taken an hour, minimum.

I don't get why anyone would choose Surv over Beastmastery in any environment outside of raiding.

Humar is back... and this time he's pissed!
#2 Dec 20 2007 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice :)

Suldoon has been out of a guild for awhile, and has been doing mostly farming/dailies. I am looking into transfering to Echo Isles (a PST Server as opposed to the EST servers I have always played on), and most the guilds there have Surv hunters already, so planning on going back to MM when I transfer, so the power hungry hunter will be joining your Humar in being BACK BABY!!!
#3 Dec 20 2007 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
I had a miserable time solo with SV spec until I got wise one day and started bringing my Boar out of the stables for solo stuff, swapping for my Ravager for group content. In solo content, the 3.2-3.8k threat my Boar generates from a Charge opener is typically more than enough to stay ahead of me for a reasonably paced fight. (If I go balls-to-the-wall full dps shot rotation, it's a bit different, but in solo play I'd rather go conservative on the mana for no downtime as opposed to faster kills and having to (*yawn*) stop and drink from time to time).

Now, in the case where you've got a specific pet that was an ordeal to tame and you've grown very fond of it, I can totally see why dropping it for a more threat-efficient pet like a Boar would seem like too much of a tradeoff. Just want to clarify that I'm not saying, "OMFG l2pickagoodpet"...I'd just hate to see aspiring SV Hunters come across this and think that respeccing SV would put a serious damper on their solo play :D
#4 Dec 20 2007 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I still have Porkrind, and I use him quite often with Soloing, but until I hear Blizz admit that they are bugged, and then that they have fixed it, I will never take Porkrind into an instance.
#5 Dec 20 2007 at 9:35 PM Rating: Good
Well, in a matter of speaking, it will. No matter their pet. If I just send in my pet and autoshoot as Surv, it takes a while to kill a target. If I send in my pet as Beastmaster, and just autoshoot, the same target will go down alot faster. For soloing/grinding, a Beastmastery specc will never be outdone by any other specc or even class.

I will never say anything bad about Survival for raiding. It provides the single most powerful raidbuff a Hunter could ever bring to the table, and even gives the second highest DPS of the three main talent speccs.

But for sheer unadulterated dps, and unstoppable soloing/grinding? Beastmastery is the best specc of them all. And I am not regretting my return to the finest specc a Hunter could ever have.

Me and Sayis were the bulwark on these boards, that stood against the hordes of Marksmen when it came to Hunter discussions once. Now, I am back, and Beastmastery is my game once more. And to be honest, I don't think I am going to respecc for a very, very long time.

The highest DPS specc, coupled with the best soloing capabilities the class can provide makes too good an argument against visiting the Hunter trainer again. Well, not to mention the sheer awesomeness of having a Humar next to me, that can actually be just as tall as I am. I can literally see the players jump in their chairs when suddenly my Humar pops out of Prowl five inches from their face, growing larger than them and starting out with a Frenzy procc.
#6 Dec 20 2007 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm still amazed you could stop using him in the first place.

I feel absolutely horrible, even sick, just during the time that the pig's off in the stable and I'm trying to get his higher skills.

I could respec in an instant, but get a new pet? NO! I'll revoke my subscription and never play again if I lose my pig.



Oh, and.. Turn off auto-cast Charge. No more breaking traps. He also shouldn't charge things you haven't told him to if he's passive. Is that the bug? Mine's always defensive.
#7 Dec 20 2007 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh....

Lol....

ROFL...

I never thought to turn off Auto Cast for Charge while in instances, it's not like my pet is a major boost to my damage after all....

I am going to go find a brick wall to bash my head into now....
#8 Dec 21 2007 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent
Ehcks wrote:
Oh, and.. Turn off auto-cast Charge. No more breaking traps. He also shouldn't charge things you haven't told him to if he's passive. Is that the bug? Mine's always defensive.


Ya, Charge taken off auto-cast solves the broken trap issue. If Charge is on auto-cast, my pet is set to defensive, and a mob other than the one my pet is on attacks me while they are in range of Charge, my Boar will charge them and then run back and resume attacking the target I set him to. Super, super handy little maneuver for solo grinding, but in group content where pet control is paramount to their usefulness, it's bad, bad mojo.
#9 Dec 21 2007 at 5:20 AM Rating: Good
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I've done the exact opposite to this. I was 41/20/0, am now 0/20/41.

What you say is true, although I have found one way to farm as fast (if not faster) as SV as I was as BM. However it does involve doing something not a lot of hunters like to do, change pet.

Namely a Windserpent. With LB and without Bite. Take LB off autocast and macro it in to fire with your steady/arcane shots. With GftT and a high cit rating (which a SV Hunter shold have) this makes for a really nice synergy with your pet pumping in a little extra aggro right when it needs to.

Can it keep aggro off me long-term? Hell no, but as I can do an actual shot rotation while farming rather than sic and autoshoot, the chances of the mob being alive by the time it gets to me are pretty slim.

BM is absolutely the best levelling spec, and currently the best for personal DPS, but I'm having an absolute blast as SV.
#10 Dec 21 2007 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Caldone the Shady wrote:
Heh....

Lol....

ROFL...

I never thought to turn off Auto Cast for Charge while in instances, it's not like my pet is a major boost to my damage after all....

I am going to go find a brick wall to bash my head into now....
now do you believe that you're thick headed? ;)








i still like you, even though you hold on to things for too long
#11 Dec 21 2007 at 5:46 AM Rating: Good
Glad there's another talented BM back in the game. Too many tards running about for things to be healthy. Humar deserves to be an unstoppable killing machine!
#12 Dec 21 2007 at 6:01 AM Rating: Decent
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ravager does more dps then humar.



























:P
#13 Dec 21 2007 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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Cool, cool! =) To be honest, I don't think I WANT to swithc from surivival now. Most of you know I was die-hard marks, but I am really enjoying SV. It's definitely more challenging to play, but it's taught me a lot... and while I may not TOP the damage-meters, I'm usually pretty darned close to the top, at least in my guild =)

The upgrade-finding is a bit of a PITA, though. =P

Congrats, North!
#14 Dec 21 2007 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
With the reduction of the deadzone hunter pets don't even have to tank anymore. If I ever want to solo I head down to Skettis target start unloading on a mob and by the time they charge into melee range they've down 2/3 or more. I then raptor strike then backup quick and arcane shot. Theres a bit of hesitation in the mob to follow giving time for me to get out of melee and use the arcane shot. If that doesnt work, skatter backup more then steady shot.

It goes alot faster when you don't have to wait on the pet to run in and gather agro. You quite on SV too soon, BM is the bigger headach in any situation.
#15 Dec 21 2007 at 6:51 AM Rating: Decent
I too have switched from sv to bm, not for any reason, im just bored with the game. I actually dont really play much any more, but i can say that i too forgot how much fun bm is.
#16 Dec 21 2007 at 8:50 AM Rating: Default
It is funny you say that, I see a lot of lower level hunters running around with Humar, but I don't think I have yet seen another 70 on my server that has levelled Humar the whole way to 70. I got him when I was level 23, and never really looked back. I know ravagers can do more dps, but I really don't like thier look, I guess it is just my preference. Besides, now Humar is a huge badass black lion and I see no real reason to switch to another pet for a minor dps increase that I probably won't even notice anyway.

I just think the Humar skin is the best cat look in the whole game. The ghost sabre is another cool looking skin, but I think Humar still looks a bit better. It would be neat to level a ghost sabre the whole way to 70, I don't think I have seen anyone do that either.
#17 Dec 21 2007 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Taurrus wrote:
It is funny you say that, I see a lot of lower level hunters running around with Humar, but I don't think I have yet seen another 70 on my server that has levelled Humar the whole way to 70.

I have my Humar (under changed name - he's called Ogryzek now) at lvl 70, but I run with the ravager mostly ;]
Humar is there just for the looks - I like to be fashionable while in Shatt ;P
#18 Dec 21 2007 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Can you say "Massive quantities of sustained, ranged DPS"!? Welcome back to the BM spec, thats what I have been from day one and never will change.
#19 Dec 21 2007 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Taurrus wrote:
It is funny you say that, I see a lot of lower level hunters running around with Humar, but I don't think I have yet seen another 70 on my server that has levelled Humar the whole way to 70. I got him when I was level 23, and never really looked back. I know ravagers can do more dps, but I really don't like thier look, I guess it is just my preference. Besides, now Humar is a huge badass black lion and I see no real reason to switch to another pet for a minor dps increase that I probably won't even notice anyway.

I just think the Humar skin is the best cat look in the whole game. The ghost sabre is another cool looking skin, but I think Humar still looks a bit better. It would be neat to level a ghost sabre the whole way to 70, I don't think I have seen anyone do that either.


Go to lightning Hoof. Ill show you one at 70 =D
#20 Dec 22 2007 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
DalaranCaine wrote:
It goes alot faster when you don't have to wait on the pet to run in and gather agro. You quite on SV too soon, BM is the bigger headach in any situation.
Too soon? I soloed the entire Netherstorm and Shadowmoon Valley as Survival. I've been survival since I first downed Aran, and I'm currently showing A'lar down the throat of Void Reaver and laughing while doing it.

I think I've been surv long enough... Both in solo, instance and raid environments. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all the lovely stuff I did and could do as a Survival hunter. I just don't like it as much as I do Beastmastery. You are talking about unloading? If I choose to go balls out on a mob, he's down just as fast as he would be as a Surv hunter. If I just want to go calm steady grinding as a Surv, I can do that. But I can do it far more effortlessly as a BM Hunter.

I've been both for a very long time. I was BM while leveling. Hell, I was BM back inside Molten Core, and that took some real fast talking and pure unadulterated threats of physical violence towards my guildleader to pull off. I was even in our guilds first takedown of that wannabe badguy up on top of Blackrock Mountain, that turned out to be a dragon, again as BM but this time with 41 point talents. And it only improved after I got ten more talent points to play with.

I was Surv throughout the hardest part of Karazhan. I was Survival when our Mage tank was finally geared enough to deal with his Ogre counterpart in Gruul's lair. I was Surv when Void Reaver was tossing those annoying orbs of his, and when I first pulled A'lar down from the ceiling to face us.

Of the two speccs... BM wins. No question about it. In a raid Surv will provide the biggest buff. But that's pretty much it for raiding. Other than that, BM will always be better in both soloing, grinding, DPSing and for sheer balls out badassery. Well, the buff and chain trapping which any specc ought to be able to do.
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