I'm not an expert in equiping prot warriors by any stretch of the imagination. My prot warrior is only level 62 and has just recently finished all the Hellfire quests.
I ran one of the Hellfire Cit instances with a 61 fury warrior a few nights ago who seemed absolutely amazed that he had nearly 1500 more HP's than me. He asked me why he had so many more HP's if I was prot spec. I took a look at his gear and he seemed to really be focusing on stamina. I don't mean that he had a lot of stamina...I mean a lot of his equipment only had stamina on it. Here is his armory
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightbringer&n=Sonyador
I try to shoot for a decent amount of STA...but I also want to keep my STR, AGI, etc up as well. Here is my armory (it is showing some of my dps equipment still...like the boots, I have iron clompers with sta/def sockets for tanking).
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightbringer&n=Warbler
Am I missing something? Should I be trying to equip straight stamina for tanking? It seems that blocking, parrying, dodging, and being able to deal a decent hit to a mob is also important. I try to pickup STA gear when I can, should I make a massive increase in STA a priority?
On a side note: He was DW'ing in berserk stance and I was beating him on the damage meters while in defensive stance. I don't care about damage meters at all when I'm tanking, since my job is to distract mobs so others can dps. He was doing a good job in the group. But I thought it was odd that he wasn't crushing me in damage.
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Stamina and Armor are king imo.
Avoidance will (mostly) be taken care of by your def. That is unless you create an avoidance set. But for the basic tanking set I would prioritize stamina and armor.
Here is a quote:
'Special Note: Please keep in mind that every 1,000 Armor produces precisely the same increase in Effective Life that the last 1,000 Armor did. Satrina has covered this in-depth, but it can never hurt to say it again -- Mitigation is subject to diminishing returns but Armor is not. Armor provides a linear increase in life expectancy. Stamina scales with Armor.'
It comes from here:
http://www.theoryspot.com/forums/theory-articles-guides/1060-effective-health-theory.html
Theory Spot is good stuff, enjoy!
Cheers man!
Edited, Dec 20th 2007 10:07am by Tiq
Avoidance will (mostly) be taken care of by your def. That is unless you create an avoidance set. But for the basic tanking set I would prioritize stamina and armor.
Here is a quote:
'Special Note: Please keep in mind that every 1,000 Armor produces precisely the same increase in Effective Life that the last 1,000 Armor did. Satrina has covered this in-depth, but it can never hurt to say it again -- Mitigation is subject to diminishing returns but Armor is not. Armor provides a linear increase in life expectancy. Stamina scales with Armor.'
It comes from here:
http://www.theoryspot.com/forums/theory-articles-guides/1060-effective-health-theory.html
Theory Spot is good stuff, enjoy!
Cheers man!
Edited, Dec 20th 2007 10:07am by Tiq
Stamina and armor are king but not to the exclusion of all else. Defense, Dodge, Parry, Block, Hit, Crit are all useful to a tank in varying degrees. Being able to completely avoid some damage means that your Healer is less likely to pull healing aggro. Being able to land more hits on the mobs means that you are generating more threat than a tank who misses all the time.
Check out the Gear List thread to get the basics on what type of gear you should be emphasizing. Even though the gear is mostly for 70s, you should still be able to see what stats are emphasized.
Don't forget to hold onto some DPS pieces of gear to use while you're not tanking. Tanking gear is great for instances but unless you always quest with a party, you really need a set of DPS gear as well to make the quest grind go faster.
Check out the Gear List thread to get the basics on what type of gear you should be emphasizing. Even though the gear is mostly for 70s, you should still be able to see what stats are emphasized.
Don't forget to hold onto some DPS pieces of gear to use while you're not tanking. Tanking gear is great for instances but unless you always quest with a party, you really need a set of DPS gear as well to make the quest grind go faster.
I don't want to be mean or anything, but I almost lol'd at the fury warrior's gear. I understand that he is leveling so he doesn't have the best gear, but I mean...cmon spirit?! As a fury warrior myself, I tend to stack strength and stamina...and any crit, or hit I can get my hands on. Anyways to your question, my guild leader, and also main tank for our raiding group gave me some of the best advice. I asked him what gems I should use when slotting my tanking set. He told me that I shouldn't just stick in a gazillion pure stamina gems. I mean that is good and all, but he said just to make sure almost every one of my gems had some stamina on it. For instance the +defense,+stamina gems and +strength,+stamina gems. And then a straight +stamina gem every now and then. If you can't find a gem with stamina on it that matches the color slot you are trying to fill, then you go for some strenth and agility.
Hope I helped a little bit at least :)
Hope I helped a little bit at least :)
Thanks guys. It sounds like I am on the right track but could use a little more stamina. I try to grab as much as I can while throwing in a mixture of agility and strength. And of course I go for the best armor rating I can get at all times. I just wasn't thrilled about grabbing pure stamina armor pieces. Seems a little too focused on stamina in my opinion.
Always. I actually have a couple of my dps pieces on in that armory link. I am digging the DW playstyle while questing/grinding. The fury just never runs out.
I haven't come across too many socketable pieces at this level yet. But I've done this for my tanking boots. Iron Clompers or some such. Threw in STA/DEF and STA/STR gems.
Thanks for the help folks.
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Don't forget to hold onto some DPS pieces of gear to use while you're not tanking. Tanking gear is great for instances but unless you always quest with a party, you really need a set of DPS gear as well to make the quest grind go faster.
Always. I actually have a couple of my dps pieces on in that armory link. I am digging the DW playstyle while questing/grinding. The fury just never runs out.
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I mean that is good and all, but he said just to make sure almost every one of my gems had some stamina on it. For instance the +defense,+stamina gems and +strength,+stamina gems.
I haven't come across too many socketable pieces at this level yet. But I've done this for my tanking boots. Iron Clompers or some such. Threw in STA/DEF and STA/STR gems.
Thanks for the help folks.
Me may laugh at your stamina difference: his 6992 to your 5959 a difference of 493.
About 1000 more stamina.
Point at that you're the one who has him beat.
Stamina
His: 6992 Yours: 5959
Armor
His: 5225 Yours: 8330
+3105
Defense
His: 322 Yours: 334
+12
Dodge
His: 8.56% Yours: 9.78%
+1.22%
Parry
His: 5.68% Yours: 10.96%
+5.28%
Block
His: 5.68% Yours: 10.96%
+5.28%
Resilience
His: 0 Yours: 0
Damage
His: 210-281 Yours: 227-296
+16
Speed
His: 2.6 Yours: 2.1
+.5
Power
His: 695 Yours: 1022
+327
Hit
His: 7 Yours: 18
+11
Crit
His: 13.14% Yours: 17.13%
+3.99%
Expertise
His: 0 Yours: 7
+7
You almost double him in everything. So while he may have 500 more stamina, you have twice the armor, twice the power, twice the block, twice the parry, twice the hit, 30% more crit. Compared to a fury warrior. You should be laughing at him.
About 1000 more stamina.
Point at that you're the one who has him beat.
Stamina
His: 6992 Yours: 5959
Armor
His: 5225 Yours: 8330
+3105
Defense
His: 322 Yours: 334
+12
Dodge
His: 8.56% Yours: 9.78%
+1.22%
Parry
His: 5.68% Yours: 10.96%
+5.28%
Block
His: 5.68% Yours: 10.96%
+5.28%
Resilience
His: 0 Yours: 0
Damage
His: 210-281 Yours: 227-296
+16
Speed
His: 2.6 Yours: 2.1
+.5
Power
His: 695 Yours: 1022
+327
Hit
His: 7 Yours: 18
+11
Crit
His: 13.14% Yours: 17.13%
+3.99%
Expertise
His: 0 Yours: 7
+7
You almost double him in everything. So while he may have 500 more stamina, you have twice the armor, twice the power, twice the block, twice the parry, twice the hit, 30% more crit. Compared to a fury warrior. You should be laughing at him.
Thanks for the boost Mentalfrog. :-)
I'm glad I'm not 100% wrong on spreading my attributes a little and not focusing on just stamina. He was doing ok in the instance...but his damage output during the run wasn't what I was expecting from a fury warrior. Maybe he should focus a little LESS on stamina.
I'm glad I'm not 100% wrong on spreading my attributes a little and not focusing on just stamina. He was doing ok in the instance...but his damage output during the run wasn't what I was expecting from a fury warrior. Maybe he should focus a little LESS on stamina.
Paladense wrote:
Thanks for the boost Mentalfrog. :-)
I'm glad I'm not 100% wrong on spreading my attributes a little and not focusing on just stamina. He was doing ok in the instance...but his damage output during the run wasn't what I was expecting from a fury warrior. Maybe he should focus a little LESS on stamina.
I'm glad I'm not 100% wrong on spreading my attributes a little and not focusing on just stamina. He was doing ok in the instance...but his damage output during the run wasn't what I was expecting from a fury warrior. Maybe he should focus a little LESS on stamina.
when you're still on the way up to 70, you focus on str/stam and then agi/hit/crit where you can find it, if possible without sacrificing too much str or stam. however, when you're tanking at 70, 490 defense for bosses becomes your priority, then avoidance/block and stamina as you can find it. it doesn't matter if you have 14000 health before you go into kara... if you have defense below the cap necessary to avoid being critted, you will get dropped quick.
for example, the tempest forge destroyers in heroic mech hit me for 3.5k when they cast charged fist... this is a regular hit, and i have about 13.5k armor. they hit you maybe three, four times or more while they have this buff active. if your defense is below the cap for this mob, two crits of 7k each will put you flat on your back. of course, this is also where avoidance comes in so you don't get hit at all, but when you do get hit, you don't want it to be a crit.
Edit: speed posting from work while hiding from teh intarweb gestapo owns me again
Edited, Dec 20th 2007 8:49pm by fromanthebarbarian
Froman! I got critted by wall of text! Edit it, or I refuse to read!
Other than that... Yeah; what MentalFrog said.
Other than that... Yeah; what MentalFrog said.
paladense - check out
http://www.theoryspot.com/forums/theory-articles-guides/1060-effective-health-theory.html
It REALLY shows the difference as well as importance of stamina stacking. [and armor]
Kind of strange that sometimes more armor gives more hp than stamina ;)
http://www.theoryspot.com/forums/theory-articles-guides/1060-effective-health-theory.html
It REALLY shows the difference as well as importance of stamina stacking. [and armor]
Kind of strange that sometimes more armor gives more hp than stamina ;)
Yikes. That warrior... wow. I can only imagine watching him solo.
I've found that "tanking" gear really isn't that important until heroics and raids. It helps, but I actually tank regular 5-mans in my dps gear for the most part now. When I have more pvp gear, I'll probably tank in my straight up pvp set for regular instances as there's loads of stam, making it so I can survive a beating, but not too much defense stuff so I take more hits and build up more rage.
As long as you're surviving the pulls, you are geared enough. You might not be able to survive tanking entire pulls at once, but you'll get there.
I've found that "tanking" gear really isn't that important until heroics and raids. It helps, but I actually tank regular 5-mans in my dps gear for the most part now. When I have more pvp gear, I'll probably tank in my straight up pvp set for regular instances as there's loads of stam, making it so I can survive a beating, but not too much defense stuff so I take more hits and build up more rage.
As long as you're surviving the pulls, you are geared enough. You might not be able to survive tanking entire pulls at once, but you'll get there.
Another thing you will find when you gear at 70 is alot of the stats like str/def/agi will be taken care of mostly by your gear. An exception to this (at the dungeon blue/T4 level seems to be +hit.
Where you will have to make decisions will mostly be in enchanting and gemming.
90% of the time I recommend stacking +sta gems. One exception I made is sticking a +8 hit gem into the Gyro Balanced Khorium Dest (spend the money and get that baby when you ding 70). It gives you back 3 sta as a socket bonus so its a pretty good trade off.
If you are below 490 def you want to gem your way there. Once you get above 490 you can begin to rebalance your gems toward sta or hit as needed.
Upping my crit and hit are why I have these in my tanking set:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=24546;source=live
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=28483;source=live
(stacked with +12 sta gems btw)
I'm also eyeballing the S3 Arena Chest for my tanking gear.
And the theory spot links will get you to good info backed by testing and math from some very smart peeps. I highly recommend spending some time looking over what Ciderhelm, Satrina and others have put together. It WILL make you a better tank. And most of the good advice you will get here or other places can directly or indirectly be traced back to those guys.
Cheers!
Where you will have to make decisions will mostly be in enchanting and gemming.
90% of the time I recommend stacking +sta gems. One exception I made is sticking a +8 hit gem into the Gyro Balanced Khorium Dest (spend the money and get that baby when you ding 70). It gives you back 3 sta as a socket bonus so its a pretty good trade off.
If you are below 490 def you want to gem your way there. Once you get above 490 you can begin to rebalance your gems toward sta or hit as needed.
Upping my crit and hit are why I have these in my tanking set:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=24546;source=live
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=28483;source=live
(stacked with +12 sta gems btw)
I'm also eyeballing the S3 Arena Chest for my tanking gear.
And the theory spot links will get you to good info backed by testing and math from some very smart peeps. I highly recommend spending some time looking over what Ciderhelm, Satrina and others have put together. It WILL make you a better tank. And most of the good advice you will get here or other places can directly or indirectly be traced back to those guys.
Cheers!
I know that's where I learned to tank back pre-BC, from reading up on Ciderhelm and Sartrina's work. They know their stuff. I was an avoidance tank, and decided to give AC/Stam tanking a try. After experimenting with the two, I decided AC/Stam was most definitely the better route, and have been an advocate ever since. Of course there are times and places for both routes of tanking, and avoidance is definitely the better style of tanking for on-farm content, but for progression, AC/Stam is always the way to go.
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