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#1 Dec 19 2007 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Made me want to PvP.

Now I don't PvP much, I am a raid healer through and through. I dork around with my 2v2 with my brother, and have a 3v3 that was unused and just keep it around 1500. But I went out and did a PvP holy spec, put some golden spell thread on my s3 leggings and rounded up some solid players for my 3v3.

10 games went up 95 points, against some pretty good set ups of better geared guys. Even ran into a Ret pally, who had is couch down right molested when he thought he could get away with Repentance on me, for shame since I have bosac on my hot bar and saw him coming from a mile away.

Y'all created a monster.
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#2 Dec 20 2007 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
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bodhisattva wrote:
Made me want to PvP.

Now I don't PvP much, I am a raid healer through and through. I dork around with my 2v2 with my brother, and have a 3v3 that was unused and just keep it around 1500. But I went out and did a PvP holy spec, put some golden spell thread on my s3 leggings and rounded up some solid players for my 3v3.

10 games went up 95 points, against some pretty good set ups of better geared guys. Even ran into a Ret pally, who had is couch down right molested when he thought he could get away with Repentance on me, for shame since I have bosac on my hot bar and saw him coming from a mile away.

Y'all created a monster.


haha, thats awesome. congratulations on your winning streak. glad to see a pally succeeding. :-D

just a note though... you obviously destroyed a lot of people, including likely some rogues, mages, hunters, and maybe warlocks? curious that the only one worth mentioning was the Ret. i guess if nothing else we've reached a level where its more impressive to say "i beat a ret" than "i beat a lock".... ;) haha.

definitely impressive arenas, though. gonna try for aother 95 next week?

#3 Dec 20 2007 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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3v3s are a lot of fun, unfortunately i dont have one on my pally.

I really want to try a war/restodruid/holypally combo.
#4 Dec 20 2007 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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KTurner wrote:
3v3s are a lot of fun, unfortunately i dont have one on my pally.

I really want to try a war/restodruid/holypally combo.


2 healers?
#5 Dec 20 2007 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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toolofjesus wrote:
KTurner wrote:
3v3s are a lot of fun, unfortunately i dont have one on my pally.

I really want to try a war/restodruid/holypally combo.


2 healers?


Yeah i think it could work actually. Since a warrior doesnt require any "mana" he could just be a nonstop killing machine. I've gone up against a team like this with rogue/frost mage/druid and they rocked us.
#6 Dec 20 2007 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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toolofjesus wrote:
just a note though... you obviously destroyed a lot of people, including likely some rogues, mages, hunters, and maybe warlocks? curious that the only one worth mentioning was the Ret. i guess if nothing else we've reached a level where its more impressive to say "i beat a ret" than "i beat a lock".... ;) haha.

No, actually... I'm pretty sure I know exactly what Bodh is thinking.

Destroying a Ret Pally is nothing new, exciting, difficult, impressive, or unusual. What is impressive and unusual is even getting the chance to destroy one in the arena in the first place because they're so rare, and for good reason.

Sorry to have to shatter the illusion for you. Ret still sucks.
#7 Dec 20 2007 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Gaudion wrote:
Sorry to have to shatter the illusion for you. Ret still sucks.


haha, don't worry, i'm under no illusion about ret. neither is tommyguns. if you actually read what either of us says rather than seeing "pro-ret" comments and assuming we think ret is the greatest thing ever, you'd see that neither of us has said the spec is the best at anything. he likes to point out rets ability in PVP (never saying its the best just that its capable), and if you've noticed i tend to talk about PVE. i'm do PVP for the gear, not for fun.

and no, ret doesn't suck. but neither is anyone trying to say its the best. accept the fact that ret, when played right, is capable and can even be competitive with other dps classes. its ok. it won't kill you to admit that.
#8 Dec 20 2007 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
the greatest advantage to being Ret in PvP is most people dont fight enough of them to know how to fight a good one.

ever sence ive switched to Ret i think ive lost 1 one-on-one fight, and it was a decked out rogue. i even manage to drop at least one player during most 2vs-me fights. and i get the greastest joy when i survive 3 or more people for several minutes on end, and still make it to see follow reinforcements roll over them all after they've all blown their CDs on me.

or winning 9/10 duels with my roomates epic'd out mage without ever blowing a bubble. and im still rolling in my prot gear and some lvl 70 quest axe . .

Ret has a place, and a good one if you know how to find it.
#9 Dec 20 2007 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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3v3 the only reason I mentioned Ret was because that was the only time we paid attention to one. As we headed out the gate and did class calls it was always "they have a Warrior, s2 gear, a lock decent gear, and a Paladin wearing s2 helm...oh nevermind he is ret" /win.

Locks are one of those classes that played well they can be a challenge but usually if we decide "I want a lock dead" he goes down faster than tommyguns mom on a banana.

Our make up was Ms War/BM Hunter/Holy Pally. I don't know how many Resto Druids cried when they went to travelform/hot heal themselves and found out I had Judgement of Justice on them. Mace rogues who ran who either tried to focus the hunter and met BoP or worse tried to kill me and got absolutely pwned by the hunter. PoM/Pyro mages who tried sheeping me/burning dps only to find BoSac up and sheep simply not working and me healing through their burst dps and my dps melting face Hunter + BoF Warrior just tag teaming them.

2 Mortal Strikes also helped in the outlast the other teams healer category. That and killing any priest therefore negating mana burn which wasnt too much of an issue. I am sure as we get up into the 1800's we will hit the gear wall and feel lack of resilience on the hunter, but for now we are having a blast.
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#10 Dec 20 2007 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
i absolutely love Judgment of justice + Druid . . . it makes me giggle with glee. specially when i see them change forms about a dozen times. i know they are thinking WTFWTFWTF!!
#11 Dec 20 2007 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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he goes down faster than tommyguns mom on a banana.



So you saw that YouTube video too?






(sorry tommy, that was to good to pass up)
#12 Dec 20 2007 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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so, gaudion and bodh... how did my post congratulating bodh on doing well turn into yet another arguement? perhaps my sarcastic comments are too hard to figure out... i say a lot of things in jest. i know exactly why bodh mentions ret and it had nothng to do with his high opinion of ret. i'll try to keep my posts serious and devoid of any attempts at humor of any type in the future....

my appologies if you guys feel that i started this.

ps. i still don't agree with you just don't think we need another thread where we all argue.
#13 Dec 20 2007 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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Because of your thinly-veiled attempt at Ret-ism in your reply:

toolofjesus wrote:
i guess if nothing else we've reached a level where its more impressive to say "i beat a ret" than "i beat a lock".... ;) haha.


We'll never let that go. Ever.
#14 Dec 20 2007 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
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Gaudion wrote:
Because of your thinly-veiled attempt at Ret-ism in your reply:

toolofjesus wrote:
i guess if nothing else we've reached a level where its more impressive to say "i beat a ret" than "i beat a lock".... ;) haha.


We'll never let that go. Ever.


haha, i kinda thought the ;) AND the haha would have been some kinda clue that i was in jest... oh well.... like i said, i'll try to keep humor or any other kind of hard to understand comment out of my posts...

#15 Dec 20 2007 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
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he goes down faster than tommyguns mom on a banana.

good taste = nil. RIP since '01, but cute nonetheless.

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Ms War/BM Hunter/Holy Pally

if there were a most solid 3v3, this would probably be the setup. maybe sub a lock for hunter.

i might respec Holy and download the FoL Spambot addon just to up my rating so i can gear up easier. then i can roll with s3 gear as Ret for some real fun.
#16 Dec 20 2007 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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tommyguns wrote:
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Ms War/BM Hunter/Holy Pally

if there were a most solid 3v3, this would probably be the setup. maybe sub a lock for hunter.

i might respec Holy and download the FoL Spambot addon just to up my rating so i can gear up easier. then i can roll with s3 gear as Ret for some real fun.

Gearing up initially through BG's is pretty easy, just takes time (and lots and lots of patience and tolerance for punishment if you're Alliance). If I didn't mess with searching for instance parties at all and dedicated myself solely to playing AV, I could probably walk away with enough honor for one of the cheaper pieces in a single day. Even if you just play causally, a couple hours a night could net you a piece in three days.

Once you're in full S1 (and accompanying honor piece)... that's pretty much it. S2 brings only slightly marginal upgrades over S1, S3 over S2 and the like. It adds up, but still, it's nothing like the night-and-day of being in non-PvP blues and epics and then slowly piecing together PvP epics.

I guess my point is... if you can't get the results you want as Ret in full S1... you're not going to get it in full S2 or S3 either. You might want to use that to gauge yourself before you pour out a ton of time, effort, and expectations on getting S3 gear.
#17 Dec 20 2007 at 10:08 PM Rating: Good
While I agree mostly with that statement, the big difference between S1/S2 and S3 for Retribution Paladins was that S3 gear had resilience while the other sets did not. So S3 gear is better than it's predecessors for pretty much that reason.
#18 Dec 21 2007 at 12:02 AM Rating: Good
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Overlord CapJack wrote:
While I agree mostly with that statement, the big difference between S1/S2 and S3 for Retribution Paladins was that S3 gear had resilience while the other sets did not. So S3 gear is better than it's predecessors for pretty much that reason.

That is true, I did forget about that.
#19 Dec 21 2007 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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Ran into a few War/Lock/Pally combos and didn't lose to a single one.

They always tended to try and burn me down, which betwen frost trap, the aoe fear of way, and my 10k+ health/amazing mit meant I could eat a lot of pain before being forced to pop a bubble. Locks tended to be so squishy that if a Warrior/Hunter gets on them they die fast, MS forces bomb heals which tends to make a differnce. If I hold my stun for when the lock is at 70% or perhaps when my warrior is at 100 rage and then unleash it on the other teams holy pally I put them in a world of hurt.

Take the lock down and it is just a Holy/MS left, Holy should be next to oom thanks to mana sting from hunter and having to bomb heal the lock. My dps is topped off from whatever dots they had on em and I am as well, if MS focuses on me I can have our war hamstring him and BoF myself and kite MS warrior into a frost trap. If he tries for the hunter BoF wins the day again, bop and standing 40 yards away helps as well, since warrior will automatically try to run for me which means a run + intercept/charge and then having to run back to hunter if he so chooses.



Edited, Dec 21st 2007 7:44am by bodhisattva
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#20 Dec 21 2007 at 5:40 AM Rating: Good
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I guess my point is... if you can't get the results you want as Ret in full S1... you're not going to get it in full S2 or S3 either. You might want to use that to gauge yourself before you pour out a ton of time, effort, and expectations on getting S3 gear.


S3 pally gear has an amazing boost over S2. yeah the resil as mentioned, also the glove bonus, the move from spell dmg, and the raw stats. this makes it great for pvp and ideal for pve.
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