Yes, I have been a keyboard turner for my year and a half playing the game. Feel free to /slap me. I have been BG'ing and doing arena more and am getting tired of any melee class just owning my face due to the slower speed of keyboard turning. They literally dance around me and I know they are lol'ing at me in real life as my character never can get behind them.
I saw the write up a couple pages back about how to map the keys when switching form Keyboard turning and have a general idea of how to map them. I had a couple questions on technique and camera if anyone has the time.
1) Is there a way to get the camera to stay zoomed out and not move up and down? I tried just moving around with it last night and I could rotate it but it seemed to move up and down all over the place. Or is that something I will get better at not doing once I get used to moving the camera?
2) Should I have a "move backward" key mapped still? Since I am using the mouse to quickly do a 180 it seems that I should just try doing that instead of moving backward. Is that right?
3) I am thinking of using the mouse wheel (up,down and pushing it) and two extra mouse buttons for actions mostly used. Is this a good set up even though I am using my mouse to move or would it be best to have everything mapped to the keyboard.
Any other suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated. I am going to be horrible for a bit at pvp but in the long run I think it is a wiser choice to drop this bad keyboard turning habit. Thanks!
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1) Is there a way to get the camera to stay zoomed out and not move up and down? I tried just moving around with it last night and I could rotate it but it seemed to move up and down all over the place. Or is that something I will get better at not doing once I get used to moving the camera?
I got rid of the camera auto-follow function, I also maxed out the camera distance in the interface options so I can zoom out much further. It allows you to see more of your surroundings. There is also a camera function called "follow terrain" perhaps un-checking it would help solve some problems for you?
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2) Should I have a "move backward" key mapped still? Since I am using the mouse to quickly do a 180 it seems that I should just try doing that instead of moving backward. Is that right?
Like you I have also been a keyboard turner since I started wow and have recently gotten into mouse-turning. I find having a backwards key is still necessary since otherwise to turn around you have to swivel 180, run forward, then turn back. If you try to kite a warrior's deadzone, being able to tap forwards and backwards accordingly is very useful. In pve you can walk backwards if you have any mobs behind you, this way you can still beat on the mobs infront without having to turn around walk forward and turn around again. It also stops you being dazed and against blizzards rogue mobs it stops you from being backstabbed (Rogue npcs don't try to get behind you, they only backstab you if you turn your back - like whilst trying to run away). I suppose on that subject it also stops you from giving enemy rogues easy access to your back as well...
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3) I am thinking of using the mouse wheel (up,down and pushing it) and two extra mouse buttons for actions mostly used. Is this a good set up even though I am using my mouse to move or would it be best to have everything mapped to the keyboard.
Good idea, I use my mouse wheel for pretty much everything. Rolling it backwards is kidneyshot, forwards is Eviscerate (although I keep meaning to change this). Shift Forwards is Evasion, Back is Sprint, clicking in is distract. Alt Forward is AR, Back Prep. Then there is also Ctrl- forward which for me is Deadly throw, Ctrl click is bandage. I only use numbers 1-5.
Best way to stop yourself from keyboard turning? Unbind Q and E. For me Q is Cloak of shadows, E is Vanish. The two moves that will save you most and usually used at the same time for escaping closest to your hands. You will adjust MUCH faster like this simply because everytime you try to keyboard turn you effectively *punish* yourself by using valuable cooldowns.
Edit on this: Unbind Q and E as strafe and put strafe as A and D. That way you can't actually turn with your keyboard, forcing you to use your mouse.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 10:00am by Flubgaurd
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Flubguard gave good advice. Welcome to a better world.
Flubguard gave good advice. Welcome to a better world.
Very nice advice indeed. Any other suggestions on the camera issues or options and I think I'll be good to go! I can't wait to try it out when I get off work.
You will get used the the camera and eventually it will barely move as you turn. When I started I spent more time looking at the top of Dex's head than the mobs in front of me. Now it is second nature.
I used the exact same mappings that Eon suggested in his post. Scroll up, scroll down and all the shift and alt variants. I even started using it on my alts when I found my self annoyed with clicking their stuff.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 11:03am by AtrophyGFour
I used the exact same mappings that Eon suggested in his post. Scroll up, scroll down and all the shift and alt variants. I even started using it on my alts when I found my self annoyed with clicking their stuff.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 11:03am by AtrophyGFour
I use a VX Revolution and I programed 5 of my 8 buttons to do something different.
I have a zoom in zoom out button that I programed for 8 and 9. I have an up and down thumb button which i programed for 3 and 4 and I have a middle button that I programed for 5. That really cuts down on the need to change my normal mouse features like scroll button.
I won't play without my mouse now. It's to much trouble going back to button pushing. Being that I have all my major moves on those keys.
I have a zoom in zoom out button that I programed for 8 and 9. I have an up and down thumb button which i programed for 3 and 4 and I have a middle button that I programed for 5. That really cuts down on the need to change my normal mouse features like scroll button.
I won't play without my mouse now. It's to much trouble going back to button pushing. Being that I have all my major moves on those keys.
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I used the exact same mappings that Eon suggested in his post. Scroll up, scroll down and all the shift and alt variants. I even started using it on my alts when I found my self annoyed with clicking their stuff.
I would recommend getting Bongos2 for mapping abilities. You then map your abilities to the actual spell book rather than Key-binding abilities to your action bar (if you are using Blizzard UI).
The only things you won't be binding in Bongos is the moves you use whilst stealthed and the ones you spam in combat. For example, if you bind the actual move cheapshot to "2" then when you come out of stealth, spamming 2 will just result in you trying to cheapshot whilst out of stealth. To get round this there is a "stance" function that allows you to be able to press the same button for different things depending on what stance you are in.
For me this means Cheapshot is 2, then out of stealth it is Hemo.
Or for my warrior, 3 is Overpower in Battle stance, Revenge in Defensive and Pummel in Zerker. I have to say that as rogues we have a MUCH easier time making sensible bindings than you do on a warrior. Sorting out bindings for three different stances and a whole bunch of moves that can only be used in different stances takes a lot of time.
The main reason to remember this on a non-rogue is that if you bind Shadowbolt rank 2 to... say Mouse wheel up when you learn shadowbolt rank 3 your binding will still be on Rank 2 and you will need to update it. Rogue "Spells" get updated automatically so you don't have to worry about it... just don't forget to re-learn your Hemo / Mutilate ranks when you re-spec. I have a habit of doing that...
Bongos also allows you to use Shift, Ctrl and Alt. Wheras I am pretty certain that Blizzard only allow you to have Shift and Alt variables for binding.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 11:54am by Flubgaurd
Awesome - so here's my set up for those that are curious:
UP - Hemo
DOWN - Evis
PRESS - Stealth
UP - Kidney Shot
DOWN - Gouge
PRESS - Kick
UP - Deadly Throw
DOWN - Blind
PRESS - Shadowstep (LAWL!!!)
Cloak of Shadows
Vanish
Q - Shiv
Shift Q -
E - Ghostly Strike
Shift E - Preparation
F - Slice N Dice
Shift F - Trinket
1 - Sprint
Shift 1 - Evasion
2 - Rupture
Shift 2 - Expose Armor
I am at work and trying to rememeber every single keybind/ability I have so hopefully I am not leaving anything out. Now comes the task to remember all of these new keybinds...it is definatly going to test my patience.
- MouseWheel only
UP - Hemo
DOWN - Evis
PRESS - Stealth
- Shift Mouse Wheel
UP - Kidney Shot
DOWN - Gouge
PRESS - Kick
- Control Mouse Wheel
UP - Deadly Throw
DOWN - Blind
PRESS - Shadowstep (LAWL!!!)
- Side Mouse Button (Front)
Cloak of Shadows
- Side Mouse button (Back)
Vanish
- KEYBOARD
Q - Shiv
Shift Q -
E - Ghostly Strike
Shift E - Preparation
F - Slice N Dice
Shift F - Trinket
1 - Sprint
Shift 1 - Evasion
2 - Rupture
Shift 2 - Expose Armor
I am at work and trying to rememeber every single keybind/ability I have so hopefully I am not leaving anything out. Now comes the task to remember all of these new keybinds...it is definatly going to test my patience.
Goddam it I keep remembering more stuff...
I would recommend this to everyone: Bind stealth to your space bar.
Single most important thing as a Rogue being stealth? (I assume you will agree).
Largest button on the keyboard.
I have mapped Jump to clicking my mouse wheel in. Once you get used to the transition it works wonders.
And a final note, when keybinding for alts try to stick to similar keybinding patterns.
My *defensive* cooldowns are usually on shift-mousewheel. For my rogue that means Evasion and sprint. On my warrior, I have Deathwish and Zerker rage mapped to Shift-Up/Down respectively being my two fear / fear+incapacitate breaks.
It makes logging from pvp on one character to another vaguely painless. Although I have the tendancy to try to overpower on my rogue when someone dodges, and Riposte on my warrior when I parry. Forgetting your rogue doesn't have execute and your warrior can't vanish are also rather irritating problems....
I would recommend this to everyone: Bind stealth to your space bar.
Single most important thing as a Rogue being stealth? (I assume you will agree).
Largest button on the keyboard.
I have mapped Jump to clicking my mouse wheel in. Once you get used to the transition it works wonders.
And a final note, when keybinding for alts try to stick to similar keybinding patterns.
My *defensive* cooldowns are usually on shift-mousewheel. For my rogue that means Evasion and sprint. On my warrior, I have Deathwish and Zerker rage mapped to Shift-Up/Down respectively being my two fear / fear+incapacitate breaks.
It makes logging from pvp on one character to another vaguely painless. Although I have the tendancy to try to overpower on my rogue when someone dodges, and Riposte on my warrior when I parry. Forgetting your rogue doesn't have execute and your warrior can't vanish are also rather irritating problems....
I'm going to suggest some changes:
Personally I dislike this: have you ever tried spamming mouse wheel up? If your finger is an expert at rolling mouse wheels fair enough. Personally I can mash my 2 button much faster than I can roll my mouse wheel.
I know Hemo is supposed to be about control, but AR doesn't really give a **** about control. I suggest mousewheel up is Shadowstep, why?
Up on the wheel suggest to me a forward movement - shadowstep moves you forward... you will never get kited again when it is so easy to use.
Clicking in your mousewheel is an unreliable way of using spammable or *emergency* maneuvers due to its tendency to roll forward or back and use other moves by mistake.
Bind stealth to your spacebar and jump to clicking mouse wheel in. Much better. I used to click in to stealth but as I said, your mousewheel has a tendancy to roll of its own accord and I found myself missing re-stealths.
If you spam two for Hemo, I suggest Shift - 2 as blind. Your finger will be at 2 almost constantly anyway. I give my word that if you miss a blind like this it will only be because your hand is moving so fast your keyboard couldn't register your amazing keyboard binding mashups fast enough.
Bind your ` key to Trinket. Its on the left of number 1. I can hit that key so that my friends have been complaining recently that I get out of snares too fast.
Otherwise I wont change your whole setup. But go with what you feel works and don't bind moves you need to spam to clicking your mousewheel in.
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Mousewheel UP - Hemo
Personally I dislike this: have you ever tried spamming mouse wheel up? If your finger is an expert at rolling mouse wheels fair enough. Personally I can mash my 2 button much faster than I can roll my mouse wheel.
I know Hemo is supposed to be about control, but AR doesn't really give a **** about control. I suggest mousewheel up is Shadowstep, why?
Up on the wheel suggest to me a forward movement - shadowstep moves you forward... you will never get kited again when it is so easy to use.
Clicking in your mousewheel is an unreliable way of using spammable or *emergency* maneuvers due to its tendency to roll forward or back and use other moves by mistake.
Bind stealth to your spacebar and jump to clicking mouse wheel in. Much better. I used to click in to stealth but as I said, your mousewheel has a tendancy to roll of its own accord and I found myself missing re-stealths.
If you spam two for Hemo, I suggest Shift - 2 as blind. Your finger will be at 2 almost constantly anyway. I give my word that if you miss a blind like this it will only be because your hand is moving so fast your keyboard couldn't register your amazing keyboard binding mashups fast enough.
Bind your ` key to Trinket. Its on the left of number 1. I can hit that key so that my friends have been complaining recently that I get out of snares too fast.
Otherwise I wont change your whole setup. But go with what you feel works and don't bind moves you need to spam to clicking your mousewheel in.
Yes very good points about binding the keys to their appropiate action (offensive,defensive, etc). I used the same key for Evasion/Sprint and tried to mouse all of my instant moves to my mouse for easier use. I really appreciate the help and think this setup will work wonders once I memorize it.
Hmm you have yet another good point about pressing MW in for instant moves. I can see where that could be a problem. I'm going to rework some more of your suggestions in that would prevent that...
Pft. If you can't spam MW up you're some kind of amputee. Using "2" means you're taking a finger off of your movement keys. Not a good idea, especially for your main attack.
And if your mousewheel moves around of its own accord, get a new mouse.
And if your mousewheel moves around of its own accord, get a new mouse.
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I used the same key for Evasion/Sprint
I prefer my Shift mouse forward / mouse back. Why? I can keep my hand on W so I don't have to stop running to hit 1. I can also just hold shift and with a simple roll of my mouse forward & back I can use the two abilities pretty much simultaneously. If you can keep running whilst being able to hit 1 and shift 1 go ahead with it.
I suggest you try it out now, right now. In IF or Ogrimmar or wherever. See how fast you can hit those two whilst running forward and spamming your hemo button at the same time like you are chasing down a Hunter who just hit Beastial wrath.
If you can do it comfortably thats great. Stick with it. Otherwise change it.
You can also unbind R. I learned this off someone else on the forums (and i'm stealing it now however you are). Unbind R and use Shift-R as your chat reply. Use R as something more important... R to me thats a lot like Rupture... B... a lot like blade flurry...
See where i'm going with this?
I am using Bongos2 as well, thanks to the great write up by Theo regarding UIs.
I have action bar 1 set as a stance bar so it varies from stealth to not stealth.
In stealth:
scroll up - cheap shot
scroll down - sap
click - distract
Shift scroll up - ambush
shift scroll down - garrote
Out of stealth:
scroll up - mutilate
scroll down - eviscerate
click - blind
shift scroll up - gouge
shift scroll down - kidney shot
shift click - trinket 1
alt scroll up - sinister strike
alt scroll down - rupture
alt click - trinket 2
I also have other things on the keyboard
1 - stealth
2 - bandage
3 - evasion
4 - Sprint
T - tea
H - health
V - kick
Edit: I take no responsibility for making these up, like I mentioned before...I copied Eons post almost word for word.
These are just the ones I use all of the time, so they are second nature. In regards to spamming a mouse wheel. When I am spamming mutilate I have no trouble rolling a mouse forward over and over again till it goes off twice after a kidney shot. All that happens is that you get the "I can't do that now" message until your get the energy tick. I find this much better than hammering on a key.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 1:11pm by AtrophyGFour
I have action bar 1 set as a stance bar so it varies from stealth to not stealth.
In stealth:
scroll up - cheap shot
scroll down - sap
click - distract
Shift scroll up - ambush
shift scroll down - garrote
Out of stealth:
scroll up - mutilate
scroll down - eviscerate
click - blind
shift scroll up - gouge
shift scroll down - kidney shot
shift click - trinket 1
alt scroll up - sinister strike
alt scroll down - rupture
alt click - trinket 2
I also have other things on the keyboard
1 - stealth
2 - bandage
3 - evasion
4 - Sprint
T - tea
H - health
V - kick
Edit: I take no responsibility for making these up, like I mentioned before...I copied Eons post almost word for word.
These are just the ones I use all of the time, so they are second nature. In regards to spamming a mouse wheel. When I am spamming mutilate I have no trouble rolling a mouse forward over and over again till it goes off twice after a kidney shot. All that happens is that you get the "I can't do that now" message until your get the energy tick. I find this much better than hammering on a key.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 1:11pm by AtrophyGFour
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