Warriors Are Best At What?!?!?!?Follow

Fury Warriors aregreat, but you have to have really awesome gear to pull it off.

Here is a PvP movie with a Fury Warrior owning everything in his path.

For inspirational reasons.

Having a good DPS Arms 31/30 set I d say I beat all so called DPS classes from my guild (I dont PuG anymore unless some guildy asks for help) in heroics but 1 mage who to make it even stranger is freaking Arcane/Fire.


I just need a tank with good threat generation - or I must make tea break every couuple of swings.



WTB 10 % threat reduction in arms tree tbh.

Well geared DPS warrior is a killing machine in heroics.
And if you have Pally AoE tank and are specced for Sweeping Strikes - total ownage.

This is the reason I don't normally take an arms/furry warrior into heroics. I agree that they can do some serious damage if they are geared properly, but the lack of CC (other than OT) is what keeps them out.

The heroic we are going into also depends on an arms/furry warrior coming along. Slave Pens? Sure. Shattered Halls with 6 mob pulls? No way.

Warrior DPS are nice to have in a group - speaking from a healer's perspective. It is always nice when a DPS pulls aggro, and their health bar doesn't drop like a rock. Mages, Hunters, warlocks, etc... - if they get aggro, it is much harder to keep them alive.

Personally, give me a Pally or Warrior tank, 3 DPS warriors, and a Holy Pally to heal, and the group will kick butt!!! Who needs CC when everyone can take a beating??? :)

I once did an all plate wearing 5-man party on my Pally main (Holy spec, so I was healer), and it was a cake walk.

FACT - The hardest part of any healer's job in a 5-man is to keep the squishy DPS folks alive when they pull aggro.

You obviously have never played a healer. The ability to lock down the possibility of another 4-digit hitting mob being on the tank makes things a LOT easier to heal. It's comforting, though, to know that you have been able to find groupmates to cover your shortcomings.

Eh. The biggest problem in most heroics isn't the healing, at least with a decently geared tank, it's the threat issues. It's hard to keep aggro on multiple mobs if the healer is spamming heals on you, especially if it's combined with knockdown/slow effects. Those bird guards in Sethekk especially are a pain in the *** like that - at least when you're undergeared, it's a lot of incoming damage and the Thunderclaps don't make things easier. The pulls that are usually the biggest problem to heal are ones where you can't CC anyway... and splitting the damage there can be very helpful.

With a moderately geared Protadin I've done Heroic Shattered Halls with a single off-spec healer in poor gear; it's really not that bad.

I swear you're looking to pick arguments with me for some reason lately. I pose the question to you, then. Have YOU ever played a healer in a heroic? Try it, and you'll agree with me. A healer getting healing aggro is just a symptom. The problem is that the tank is getting ************ every which way, and as was pointed out, CC will make it easier.

CC is definitely overrated. Get me a tank that can hold multi-mob aggro and I can DPS to my hearts content and I usually top the dps meter on my Arms warrior. For that reason, I generally prefer to run with paladin tanks when I'm on my warrior. It's funny, but I prefer not to take dps warriors with me when I tank on my warrior and I prefer not to dps for a warrior tank when I dps on my warrior. They just don't have that much synergy. I hit sweeping strikes and whirlwind and I pull aggro. With a paladin tank, that doesn't happen. I don't pull aggro and I can keep spamming cleave and slam because I'm not dead.

I've done Heroic Mech with all melee dps and no CC. At certain points it got a bit tricky, but we completed it in an hour and had a blast doing it.

When I tank on my Druid, I love dps warriors. I've brought dps warriors to most of my runs. I can hold multimob aggro, I've held 8 mobs at once before. And their buffs are nice and it's also nice that they can offtank if we need it (which usually doesn't happen unless I'm undergeared for the instance).

On a regular instance run, I prefer not to have any CC. Heroics, it depends on the tank and on the heroic. If someone CCs a mob that I have not marked for CC, I run over and break it. It's actually really frustrating to over-CC a pull and can make my tanking job more difficult, even on my warrior, by getting rage starved. CC is a crutch, for most instances.

Those weren't all you, hence "it's not just you". I think the first was you, the second was Pigeon (maybe?) and the third was some Hunter whose name I don't remember.

As to your specific one, the phrase 'marginal' brings some rather severe negative connotations with it, at least to my mind. *shrug* We're not the only people who read these forums, I was trying to make sure other people don't get the wrong idea via word choice.

I was actually being a bit sarcastic in my post. I do agree that the best party will consist of many different classes that each bring their own strength - as long as they know how to play. The biggest key for a DPS toon is threat control. If a squishy DPS can control their threat so that they don't aggro a mob, then all is good. Actually, it is better than good, it's GREAT! However, I have found it VERY VERY rare when you can get a good group like that. Especially in PUGs. For some reason, people don't understand threat control, even at the higher levels. I have Omen for a threat meter, and it is VERY VERY rare that more than one other in a PUG have a threat meter.

That being said, I do believe that all classes in WoW bring something to the table, and I would never turn any down from a party. It's not the class you need, but the player's skill.

Maverickzzz isn't Karazhan the only place in WOW with a significant number of magic-immune mobs, thus making your imaginary 5-man group perfectly capable of completing all 5-man content?

I don't know just how sarcastic YJMark was being, since as a Resto Shaman the very best groups I did stuff with pre-BC were all-melee groups. Most often these ended up being 1 rogue, 3 warriors, and my Resto shaman, but when I managed to find a full 4 warriors it was even better. That type of group wouldn't be quite as viable nowadays since mobs actually learned to do some decent damage in BC, but I still think the 1 rogue, 3 warrs, and Sham group is viable.

Good rule of thumb is that people can only roll "Need" if they are playing that position/role in the group (i.e. only current tank can roll "Need" on tank gear). Only exception is if tank doesn't mind someone else rolling "Need" - but you need tank's approval first.

If you don't follow that guideline - you are a bad bad man...or woman :)

Not to prolong this thread...but I feel strongly that if someone (even in a 5-man) is tanking, that they should get priority to tanking gear. Especially if they plan on using it for that same instance.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but my #1 priority when grouping (even in 5-man) is to do whatever is needed to make it through the instance smoothly.

Once, we were running RFK and Corpsemaker drops. Our DPS warrior wanted to "Need" so he could use it right away. The tank also needed for when he "solos". The tank won. It basically prevented our DPS warrior from dealing more damage. Personally, I think the tank should've let the DPS warrior have it since it would benefit the group. Having it in the tank's backpack did not benefit anyone, except the current tank during his personal time (i.e. when soloing).

That being said, more often than not, a DPS warrior will let a tanking warriors also roll "Need" with the understanding that both will get good use out of the item. So everyone wins :) It is a priority thing and allows the benefit of the group to take priority over personal gain, when applicable.