Forget Marks, I'm going back to BM!Follow

No, everyone who is attacking the target with the mark will gain the 120 AP.

EDIT: I didn't read your post ithikul, your right, it doesn't stack.

Edited, Dec 20th 2007 7:59pm by Yuppley

First, you're assuming that a good BM doesn't already take misdirection into account, which they probably are using. It's considered part of your max cap hate.

Second, what are your DPS doing while your FD? Not much. The hate line is the hate line, once you cross it, yes we have ways to get back under, but that's what you are now spending your time doing, not DPSing.

You should use your highest threat shots while misdirecting at the beginning of every boss fight, if I am not mistaken Aimed Shot, Arcane and Multi achieve this the best. It does require you to turn off auto shot after Aimed Shot in order to get arcane and multi off without an auto shot jumping in there.

If you misdirect and stand at 30 yards (your aggro can be 130% before you pull), you can unload until the tank is around 8k (my usual threat is 9-10k before I FD the first time). Then with your arcane cooled down, or multi, use that to pop immediately out of FD and blow all your trinkets, BW and you haven't had really any downtime. FD should only at the most pull you out of one autoshot/whatever sequence.

Omen is the key to this, it gives you a very clear percentage and even a warning when you reach a certain level that you can set yourself. Heck, any threat meter will work with this. Omen just does not take into account your range while KTM does.

Anyhow since BM DPS relies on you getting the most shots off as possible, you have to learn to work on the cusp while never pulling aggro. Even pulling aggro once with FD still cooling down is no good. Lean your threat meters and you shouldn't ever have downtime while on bosses. Unless of course they resist. Silly resists...

I dont know about you, but i am willing to sacrifice 1-2 seconds on DPS to be able to go full out as soon as threat is cleared.
Seriously, The "How much Dps do you do when you FD" comment is BS. Feign death and drink/eat, that's one thing. Feign death to reset aggro is another.

There's been a few PuG runs where it's been a problem, but usually not. I was really talking about *solo* PvE though. Raid or instance PvE is a different story...

Somtimes on links.


More precisely to your point though: As beastmaster the pet is pretty good at keeping hate. Honestly though, its really easy to pull hate from your pet if you wanted. It is of course a good idea to ride the hate line, which is higher for BM than for MM, thus why you don't have to hold back as much. BM increases your damage too, but your pet becomes a better thank than MM, even if MM may increase your personal damage more.

That was sort of the point of the discussion of buffing your pet vs buffing yourself up there: The dps cap due to threat. Which is a different animal entirely in PvP: You don't have such a thing, and a different animal in PvE raids or groups, as your pet probably isn't the tank anyways. The considerations then are the utility you give, your DpS with respect to the tank's cap, and your threat mitigation.

Edited, Dec 21st 2007 2:09pm by digitalcraft

DPS cap, most you can do before you're tanking. I'm sure there's a better term for it. Pets are good tanks, but hunters can put out a lot of damage. Things don't always die before you pull them off your pet. It's generally not a problem, as I said, in a party with a competent tank; that's a different setting.


I don't know about you, but I find if I'm out soloing, some mobs do live for a bit. If I'm getting lots of crits its easy to pull off a pet, even as BM. I think one aimed shot and a mark is a bit of an exaggeration on your part :P Mobs do live for a bit, and if I'm soloing, I don't want to be getting hit, or that's downtime.