Why the druid QQ?Follow

This is some sort of complaint, so don't read it if you don't care. I just needed to post this.
/rant

Is it ever going to stop? Whatever we do, whatever we provide they simply dont want to hear. Or they dont know how to read?

IS it really that hard to see? Is it that hard to understand? Now that the forum trolls are bored from QQing about Warlocks, Rogues, Warriors or whatever they simply jumped on the next bandwagon effect which is Resto druids in 2 v 2.

The posts I read on the o-boards are just plain insane.

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1958247657&sid=1


http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1958207196&sid=1


The worst is the "Travel Form needs to be changed" thread:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1958106635&sid=1

Or people even suggesting a 5 sec CD on shapeshifting. It's just ridiculous.
Every rebuttal made by druids, supported by statistics, is discarded as childish etc by whiners with a clear lack of knowledge and experience in the game itself.

Constructive posts to fix feral like
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1829143541&sid=1&pageNo=1
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1748715061&sid=1 are being totally ignored. The last one has 20 pages reply's and they still don't have a Blizzard response. Worst thing is Blizzard considers whine nerf threads as valid feedback. Take your bets on what is going to happen. I see a druid nerf comming that is meant to balance resto druids, but will hit balance and feral druids very hard.

/endrant


Edited, Dec 16th 2007 9:57pm by nightmareke

the complaints have some merit. druids are extremely powerful in 2v2 and 3v3 when done right, and many more druids are learning how to do it right. even when theyre not done right getting a 1900ish rating isnt too hard to do assuming you have a competent teammate.

having said that, theres a line between complaining and outright ********* and most of whats out there is outright ********* about the only thing ive heard that id accept as a change to druids is allowing for either dispel to work on cyclone, or healing to work on a cycloned target.

As long as it doesn't affected PvE, I don't really care. The nerf bat always hits someones. If it hits us this time, next time will be us to be complaining.

This is balance imo. All classes may not deal damage equally and such, but they should all be capable of at least two cooldowns that give them at least a few seconds of breathing room.

Well, the Druid used to lack interrupts. Now thanks to Maim and Cyclone we can interrupt in all forms. (Not counting ToL since you're healing when in that form, or shift out if you wanna do both healing and CC) Of course we can't lock out much but at least we can interrupt, I can settle for that.

But what I really meant is unrelated, really. As a Pally, the once-famed best PvP healer, I need to deal with all those interrupts flying around. I don't blame the Resto Druids for not having to, but I think Blizz screwed up somewhere in their class balance.

Anyway, Druids will likely be nerfed again in a few patches. Before the real issues are addressed, or before the players actually bother to grow some skills, the game will be FUBAR'd because of so-called balancing issues.

Wasn't the top 2v2 team last season a priest and a rogue or some such?

The facts? Well..

In 2v2 we have 1850+

607 Warriors
542 Priest
513 Druids
475 Warlocks

Warriors and Priest are ahead of Druids


In 3v3 we have 1850+

228 Priest
228 Rogues
191 Warlocks
153 Mages
120 Warriors
116 Druids
62 Paladins


Priest / Locks / Mages and Warriors all ahead of Druids


In 5v5 we have 1850+

137 Priest
124 Paladins
124 Warriors
106 Mages
82 Shamen
75 Warlocks
13 Rogues
13 Druids
11 Hunters

Well Rogues / Druids and Hunters are the bottom of the barrel.


So who is the best healing class in Arena? Priest and not only by a little they dominate the top of every Bracket, yet they call for Druid Nerf). Druids are average to poor in anything above 2v2 and even in 2v2 we are not top dogs.


Edited, Dec 17th 2007 7:29pm by nightmareke

Well, you are right ofcourse.
I will never deny that resto druids are very good in 2v2 and 3v3 arena, but they are rare in good 5v5 teams. And they may be very good, but I still don't believe that they are overpowered. They are how a PvP healer SHOULD be, versatile, good in escaping etc. I think shammies and pallies should get a buff, instead of nerfing druids.

the big advantage druids have (and priests to a lesser extent) over paladins and resto shaman is that druids and priests have a number of skills that can be used that dont require casting. lifebloom is instant, rejuv is instant, and swiftmend is instant, meaning a druid can, without fear of being interrupted or locked out, keep a strong bank of HoT's on a target. priests can do similar with renew, shield and prayer of mending, and prom is especially effective in situations where multiple targets are taking damage.

meanwhile, the only way for a paladin or shaman to heal is by using a 1.5s or 2.5s casted spell. interrupting a 1.5s spell is a bit tough, but you cant rely on flash of light and lesser healing wave to win arena matches. at some point in time, healing wave and holy light will be used, and those arent very hard to interrupt at all.

i fought a resto druid in 3's last night who tanked me in caster form while spamming HoT's on himself. between barkskin, natures guardian, and his HoT's, i could barely out dps his healing. had he been smart and gone bear like a good druid, there was no way i was going to kill him before his teammates killed my priest.

the strength of a druid in arena now lies in the synergy of escape skills, anti-CC measures, high physical defense, and uncasted heals. cyclone is honestly very annoying, but one of the lesser concerns by far. the overall issue is, you cant really nerf any part of the aforementioned synergistic skills without severely gimping a druid in some way, and ultimately killing the class. its not easy to play a resto druid right. all that form switching and dodging around terrain isnt easy to do by any means, but the converse of that is it takes an inordinate amount of effort to kill a resto druid.

whats the solution? i dont know. i dont even know if there needs to be a solution, at least one involving a nerf to druids. perhaps the addition of armor penetration will mitigate the variable of high physical defense to a degree, giving druids something of a nerf without actually touching the class. perhaps paladins and shaman will be given ways to cast-without-casting so to speak, allowing them to act more on par with priests and druids.

Can't a Paladin just get Improved Concentration Aura to reduce the number of interrupts and silences? I mean, that's like the only major difference between the two. I'd still choose a Holy Paladin as a primary healer in a 5v5 any day. I can always use a Boomkin for AoE healing when those times get rough. And an Ele Shaman.

Nah, those Trees aren't anything special. What, with all these Warlocks, it's stupid to enter the form in 50% of the matches.

Buff Cat DPS plz, fix Pounce/Bash plz, and let's make Moonkins have some more Balance spells to play around with. Starfire should have a -50% interrupt under the former talent with Wrath while in Moonkin form. It'd be cool to have some kitty finishers similar to Rogues, but a Druid version, like a Kidney Shot that acts like a Counterspell, or a Slice and Dice with half the boost that transfers over to other forms for both casting time and melee swing for the duration.

This, or Thorns and Entangling Roots, can return Mana in damage dealt while in Moonkin form. Remove the mana-regen melee mechanic in return for an Improved Moonkin form talent to the side, which Moonkin Aura restores 2% Mana to the caster on spell critical strike. To spread out the talent points to make this balanced, include another mechanic--- Nature resistance.

Imp conc aura can make them immune to push back from dmg but interrupts still have the same effect. They are still vulnerable to spell lock out from kick, pummel, counter spell, etc.

whoa there killer. cat dps is just fine, we already have an evis and rupture finisher clone, and a unique maim/evis-type finisher that functions as our spell interrupt. we get our own version of slice n dice in the sense that we already have a 1.0 attack speed and our spell interrupt comes in the form of feral charge. yes, it has its weaknesses, but adding all of that to cat form *would* create a hefty amount of imbalance within the druid class.

and we dont want that.

thats the idea enabler....you *should* have to spec feral in order to do great cap dps.

back in the day, speccing feral meant you put maybe 11 points into the tree, because you got about as much by speccing that much as you did going a full 30+. now feral actually gives a lot of power when you spec it.

so yes, cat dps should be pretty crappy when youre not specced for feral. just like priest dps should be pretty crappy when specced full heal, and warrior dps should be pretty crappy specced full prot.

druids actually get it pretty easy in that their tank tree is also the melee dps tree, and a cat form druid, regardless of spec, has better base dps potential in the right gear than a heal-specced priest in dmg gear or a prot-specced war in dps gear.

in other words, while i understand the idea of wanting to toss out ideas, i dont think ideas along those lines are worthwhile. druids are pretty good right now. small tweaks are all we really need at the moment.