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Yesterday we threw together a hodge podge Kara group. All guildies, but some alts and stuff that were inexperienced with their class, and undergeared. Had a warrior tank in blues, three healers, myself as dps/offtank, and decent dps. I tanked midnight, threw down a couple concecrates and warrior had a heck of a time getting the huntsman off me. I debated not doing so, as I thought that might happen. 1k spell dmg + right fury = some crazy threat. Anyway, he did eventually, and we downed him, again as he got threat back from the combined horse/ rider after a little struggle.. I just healed myself when they joined, but still had alot of threat. A better geared and more experienced tank would have got threat more easily I think, and all would have been alittle smoother. As, I basically ended up tanking Moroes as well. Think I ended up the run being like second in heals and 5th dps. Buffed I was sitting at 13,600 hit points, and a huge mana pool, full pvp set with hit point trinkets. I just healed on Maiden, dps'd/ off heal for big bad wolf. Nightbane was a disaster and we called it. Would've been fun to try Curator.

I've filled this role before in Kara. Roll with concentration aura up, and heal myself in between offensive cd's. The trash pulls are simple with the undead spells, allow a pally a couple seconds and the AOE'ers seldom pull aggro. Which goes to show the power of a pally tank in that place. Our guild has a pally main tank, with about 18,500 hit points or more raid buffed, and runs with him take about 3 1/2 hours to clear the place.

This is not a big success story, but utilized the gear and offensive capabilities a bit in PvE. Granted full merc set, one piece of s3, and all the newer non set pvp pieces is alot of gear for Kara. But it fills the roll of offtank for a Kara group just fine. It'd be ideal to just be a healer when need be, tank midnight, second threat/ offtank Moroes, offtank trash, and emergency tank the occasional main tank dropping. A moderate PvE success for a hybrid spec.

Oh, and when I am specced 40/0/21, I'll keep sanctity aura up when running with the guilds pally tank I mentioned for a considerable threat increase.

On this note I'd just assune see a ret pally in the guild raiding with us, but it hasn't happened yet. No reason it shouldn't, maybe soon. One question here.. with a ret in a 10 or 25man will he be able to refresh the entire raid's pally judgements or just his group? Either way it'd be a great asset in my opinion, especially with a pally tank.

@ Bodhisattva

Totaly off topic, but please tell me that you didnt get your name from Patrick Swayze in Point Break?

my pally is at 62 now. I found the shockadin build way to mana intensive to have sustained pve work, or even sustained pvp as there is no heals to bump up your mana pool. shockadin is ok for healing, but still miss the 41 point skill which can be make or break at times (rarely, but occasionally), and some added toughness skills the holy tree brings (resists, half damage x% of the time etc).

i have 51 points in holy, and still deciding where to put the next 10. probably ret until 70 where i will change them to imp devo aura and toughness in prot, maybe i will go that way now..i dont know. i will be a pvp/pve healadin 51/10/0. i find the dps i ahve at this stage is fine for pve. i play with a dps warrior, so we have no issues killing stuff. which i know everyone does not have that available to them, so compromise is necessary.

ihave found a noticable difference with some key skills in holy during pvp play. i feel if you want to dps, go ret. if you want to heal, go holy which still give bareable dps but makes you a better healer.

all this being said, the dps, when not oom on a shockadin was great. good fun!

thats my 2 cents

Silly question here, but am I a shockadin or not?

with this talent build

I just hit 70, so my gear is garbage bag blue, but I like the diversity in play the pally offers. Do some dps and keeping that imp SoCr up on the mob, off tanking mobs that run to the clothies, cleansing what I can and healing when needed. Of course, this is only dungeon crawling, but I think this build will allow me to do some decent raid healing while still being able to apply dps in 5man dungeons and not damage per season as it used to be. Seeing as blizzard has flushed the whole hybrid aspect of the paladin gearwise (I mean, the level 70 epics are for either healadin, tankadin or retadin, what happened to the all rounder?). When I get my epics, I'll probably go for the healadin gear, since it offers some spell damage as well. And I'll probably try to vary this with a healing focused weapon set and a spelle damage weapon set.

What happened to the days when a tank was a warrior and the main healer was a priest? What's the point in speccing your pally to be better at anything then them (granted, I know the "abundance" of good warrior tanks) when you end up with so much less versatility?

I love being the odd jobs man in a party or raid, filling in where needed and preventing the sh*t from hitting the fan when that time comes, but with my future gear in mind, I'm doubting I'll be able to do that to the full capacity as I can do now at "lower" instances.

Sorry, tangent there. So, am I a shockadin, as I always claim when asked?

Edited, Dec 20th 2007 3:45pm by CorvusCoraxXIII

I always thought of a Shockadin as a "plate-wearing Smite Priest". Might be fun, but really, who wants one? =/

Well, in response to my post, I was a bit confused. I was thinking of the shockadin build presented in the sticky (which we're supposed to read), which DOES pick up all the important healing talents. Therefore based on talents alone shockadin = healadin in terms of heals IF going on the hybrid heal/damage spec.

Also, while the healadin may have more survivability, the 51/0/10 build has all of the healing talents with some damage on the side. If grouped with an arms warrior or a hunter who was smart enough to go 11 points into marksmanship, enemy heals become less of an issue with MS/AS greatly reducing healing. I can still see the arguement for avoiding a 40/0/21 build as it foregoes a lot of healing talents and such.

However, if someone were to go with the higher damage shockadin build, inside of a team with mostly hybrids, the enemies would not know who is the main healer. i.e. a 3-man team of elemental shaman, shockadin, and resto druid - if the druid starts off in cat form they'll think he's feral, and you can really confuse the enemy.

My friend and I are planning on doing 2v2 though, and I'm thinking a little extra damage from the 51/0/10 build wont hurt much. Plus it will help us as we level, he picks up some damage talents to make it go faster (and usually he uses HS at the right time so I can get my executes off).

.....sop i mean sor sorry

Five days? You people call it quick. Other forums give thread at least a month before it can be considered threadomancy. Any shorter and it's just a bump.

Edited, Dec 26th 2007 9:26pm by zepoodle

To me, it's a combination of how old a thread is and how many pages it has sunk. If it's on page 1(50 posts a page), it's fair game. If it's not all that old(a couple days) and on page 2, then it's fair game.

But what gets me is this guy made both a new post and a bump post with the same "Information".

It's "JACK", and you'll do well to remember that, or ye be walkin' the plank mister.

If you noticed, I never said it was dead, nor did I say he was necroposting. I said it was going to die, and if anything was to let it live, it shouldn't have been that horrible post.