New Spells for WotLK?Follow

Ok I think I kinda understand where you are coming from with the skeleton thing, but summoning mobs to attack you for the sole purpose of proccing a talent that nobody uses anymore (and consuming HS charges) seems a bit.... off.

We also don't need another taunt. Learn to manage your aggro with only the one, and you should do fine. Pre-TBC Paladin tanks had 0 taunts, yet we still managed.

I don't defend my idea in the least. =P

But I do understand what you mean, and as I said neither are raid viable. And the other not viable in most scenarios. But the extra taunt(or even a shorter cooldown on the one we have) would help people in the scenario I was in. Level as Ret, then prot, then Ret, then Prot, then Ret, then at 70 respec Prot to start tanking for good and having pretty crap-tastic gear. Obviously there shouldn't be a talent to help people out who didn't save gear, but ideas were asked for.

Retardin, over and out.. /salute

As a side note, I didn't know pallies didn't get a taunt until TBC! That's nuts.

We didn't have a taunt, heals did not return mana, no AS, no AD, no Imp. HS. Reckoning only procced on crits, and dealt an extra attack per crit, I think redoubt was similar. It was tough but we still did it, I tanked scholo a couple times, and Strat a lot, DM a couple times too but strat was where I was mostly at.

I pretty much concur. I'd like to see a little more usefullness for Ret in PvP, but that's about it. I'm fine with them not being viable in raids, we got 2 other trees which can do that. PvP though is where I think they should shine a bit more than they currently do.

Yea, Redoubt was the same, proccing on crits (der, Defense reduces crits, damn stupid-old-Prot tree ...). Oh, and remember Seal/Judgement of Fury?

Rofl that made my day =D


I'd like to see some instant cast spammable heals on pallies. That would be uber, if only for pvp. and some kind of cone damage spell, much like mage's icy cone thingymabob (forgot what it was called... cone of cold was it?). That would be cool. I can imagine a pally battling hundreds of enemies with his friends, throwing out instant heals and blasting scores of undead from in front of him.

funky. I would however, like to see a buff for holy shock more than anything else. It would make the shockadin spec good for pvp again... Decrease cooldown to 12 seconds, make it interrupt spellcasting, and up it's spelldam coefficient a little. That would just own. I never found it fair that a shammy can deal good damage and interrupt spellcasting every 6 seconds. Plus they can still heal as needed. Buffing holy shock would be fantastic, and would finally make it a really game changing deep tree talent.

But oh well, what can i say. I am of the camp that believes blizzard doesn't like us pallies =(

Well, if you were intent on playing a Horde paladin, I guess Blood Elves would literally be your only choice there.

Which begs the question of why everyone wants to be a Horde paladin nowadays.

Orcs hunch, but it works out because they're taller than anything that isn't a Tauren or a tentacle-faced space devil. And they're buff. Super buff. If you want a race to look homeless in, roll Forsaken. Nothing says I-can't-pay-for-food more than having your elbow bones sticking out of your clothing.

Doesnt really merit a response, but try to keep trollposts down to a minimum please.

My suggestions (which I admittedly didnt say absolutely explicitly) were intended to be 51pt talents for each tree, not baseline abilities for every Paladin. Any 51pt talent would have to be very powerful to earn that much specialisation, and by that token I think my suggestions were relatively modest.

As for new baseline abilities, there are very few new mechanics left open in the game, so I'd imagine we would get a new token buff aura and pretty much nothing else springs to mind. Apart from perhaps summoning some form of construct or pet (Holyfiend? :P) to assist in an indirect way, I cant really think of much else we could be given :)

~sins

I like Hardnote´s mass-ress spell. Not to mention the fact that it would be completely viable with other warcraft games (Warcraft 3 & Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne) but all the other healers will probably start yelling "OP!".

So I went back to the manual, which didn't do much good since it is pretty out dated by now (Redemption resses you with full health and mana... huh? WTF, healing aura?) so instead I went to several topics and read some posts (blue and otherwise).

Words that seems to pop up -often- with pallies are the following;
- Sacrifice
- Undead
- Holy
- Rightious

So I started working with these, and I came up with the following;

Holy: Touch of Sacrifice
Removes all buffs from you and heals your target for X damage per buff.

Protection: Final Stand
Decreases movement speed by 70% for 30 seconds, increasing agro done by you by 25% for 30 seconds and increasing armor by 10% for 30 seconds. This effect triggers forbarence (to tired to look up how it's spelled).

Retribution: Rightious Crusader
Increases you size by 20%, all damage dealt by 5%, agility and strength by 10% for 30 seconds. This effect triggers forbarence.

And a little anti-undead spell... seeing how WotLK will bring in an entire continent filled with the scum.

Holy: Holy Fire Aura
Deals x amount of damage every 3 seconds to all undead in a 20 yard radius around the paladin. Will also burn x amount of mana from the paladin for each x amount of damage done.

Just my 5 cents. In my opinion, not all that OP, since you ca play with CD's, damage and mana costs.

EDIT: On another note, I think that giving pallies an Arcana resistance aura wouldn't be the best idea. Oh sure, it would be awesome, but lore wise (yes I know Blizzard screwed over lore before) I think it would be better if mages would get it. Not an aura offcourse, but maybe a third option next to Amplify Magic and Dampen Magic.. Resist Magic [Increases Arcana Resistance by X amount]maybe?

Edited, Dec 19th 2007 6:14pm by YetanotherRogue

For the Ultimate win right there! Jack, you are my Hero :D

for Holy, i would like to see a talent to make consicrate heal

for Ret i would like to see a talent to make consicrate reduce damage taken or CC or threat of anyone who stands in it.

for prot i want to see more shield skills. Paladins have always been the sheild masters of any game. i want to see more of that in this game.

improved AV, increase the number of reflects, or Jacks idea is also really good.

sheild spin 51st talent, an instant aoe sheild throw ability, about the radius of consicrate, can interupt. next part is iffy but sound cool to me, consumes a holy shield charge per target to stun for 2 seconds. adds bonus threat of holy shield charges if holy shield is up.

so you lose holy shield most likely while tanking but helps with interupting casters or such. win some lose some, you still have consicrate so you dont have to use all the time to blow your holy shield.

it also adds alittle for the prot pally who like to defend key points in pvp. when its 5 vs you and you need to hold out just a bit longer for reinforcments.

i would also like to see a base block increase by about 10% for 5 talents.

this next idea i admit is from D2's paladin. another improved holy shield talent that increases the armor of your shield by 10/20/30% while your holy shield is in effect.

Edit: oh yeah, the idea i liked the most but some how almost forgot to post. due to paladins needing extra stats like SD to do the same job as a war, we kinda get screwed with itemization. not that there isnt any way around it, but i would like to see a talent where a % of our SD goes to a tanking stat of some kind. much like mages get % of int talent, priests get % of spirit, toward another stat they very much need.

that way we do not "have" to wear warrior armor and trick out our mage weapon as the only way to gear our pallies.

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i also really like that -70% movement trade in for tanking power, but that sounds alot like the kind of powers that warriors always get in MMOs, normally called final stand or Hold the Line.

Edited, Dec 20th 2007 9:22am by RuenBahamut

Edit: i suck at speling

Edited, Dec 20th 2007 10:45am by RuenBahamut

what The RuenBahamut of Doom said, I like those ideas, they seem normal, and not to over the top. I don`t think pallies will ever get HoT`s, Or any kind of instant heal, doesn`t seem fair to the rest of the classes. If they could make the older bubble actually useable it would be nice, I`m not sure if the old one and the divine shield run the same CD or not. But its a thought.