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#1 Dec 14 2007 at 9:08 PM Rating: Good
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Well, my guild officers and I finally made enough contacts (and good impressions) that we've managed to convince a few people to join us soon, and will have our first Kara team ready to go within a week, with the fresh 70s scrambling to get geared for the second team. That is, assuming everything doesn't fall apart (we've been here before - but this time it should stick).

Now, my conundrum: I'll more than likely be the only hunter on the kara team for at least the first few weeks. About a month ago, give or take, I respecced to SV and spent a ton of money on gems and enchants for it. Money well spent, IMO. And I'm having a ball with this spec.

But...

I know that 41/20 BM is the zomguberdps spec. Now, I'm not the type of guy who has to brag about topping DPS charts (although I have done so in the past and still do on occasion). I'm more team oriented, and as long as we're dropping the bosses, I'm happy. That said, I want to be the most useful I can be in the raid - I don't want to be the guy who holds his team back.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shu%27halo&n=Steelray

My armory. I'm sure my stats are fine for Kara. That isn't my question.

Would I hold up my end of the deal, and be just fine as SV? Or would I serve the team better as BM?

I dabbled with BM in the past, and frankly, found it outside my comfort zone at the time. But... I would work through that and adapt if the need arised. Just rough guesstimating here (I'm sure my math is off a bit), but if I made no changes at all to gear, gems, or enchants my stats after respec would be something like:

1745 RAP 24% crit and around 650 agi.

If, IF I respecced, am I now at the point where stacking agi is more beneficial anyway, and I don't need to stack AP? Or would I have to replace some gems with AP or replace +35 agi with Savagery?

Assuming no further gem or enchant changes are needed, my pros and cons to switching:

Pro: DPS should increase (by how much, I'm not sure)

Con: Hit rating is very low. As SV, I'm only 20 some odd points from being capped, but as BM, way too low.

Pro: Easier shot rotation

Con: Less reliable and shorter CC (I'll still be running heroics also)

Pro: for PvP, 18 secs of "I win"

Con: No "oh s**t" shots for when a mob breaks loose and charges the healer or a clothie.

Con: Less burst damage it would seem.

Con: Way less mana efficiency

Right now, I'm leaning toward remaining SV, but I have one buddie begging me to go BM. What say you? And why?



Edited, Dec 15th 2007 12:15am by Steelray
#2 Dec 14 2007 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
stay survival for the kara runs. you will have to trap sometimes like on moros. and having longer traps and 10% less likly for traps to be resisted rocks.. also readiness is a great ohsh*t button for your traps getting totally screwed over.. and your expose weakness is the best party buff there is in my opinion.

besides.. the survival hunter that plays well is a hunter worthy of respect. even myself as a marksman hunter knows that if i see a good survival hunter.. he is better than me.


also i have heard of some people using readyness to preload 2 misdirects onto the tank..



Edited, Dec 15th 2007 12:54am by Slammerofkooter

Edited, Dec 15th 2007 12:55am by Slammerofkooter
#3 Dec 14 2007 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah you'll do less dps but those traps are super helpful, especially on Moroes and on the harder trash. I was 0/43/18 for my first few kara runs and it was a great help. Now I'm BM spec and I can still trap things OK but resists are a real pain to deal with.

SV will be very helpful, stick with it.
#4 Dec 15 2007 at 12:43 AM Rating: Good
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There are very few times when a hunter has to chain trap in Kara, but when you do, it's dangerous. The first time I did the moroes fight, I died in a few hits because my first trap was resisted, and he hit me before the second trap armed.

I will say that 41/20 IS uberomgdps. The first time I went int there, my raid leader was stunned by my DPS. I was within the top 3, up with people who had several pieces of kara gear, when I just had some dungeon and quest blues.
#5 Dec 15 2007 at 5:47 AM Rating: Good
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You will do less DPS han if you were BM, however you will be buffing the aid with EW, therefore everyone else will do more DPS with you around as SV than if you were BM.

As you're a team player, this should be good news to you :)
#6 Dec 15 2007 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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Rasen wrote:
You will do less DPS han if you were BM, however you will be buffing the aid with EW, therefore everyone else will do more DPS with you around as SV than if you were BM.

As you're a team player, this should be good news to you :)


Yes. I forgot to add that in my pros and cons. :)

That was also a point I argued with my firend. I said my personal DPS may be lower, but the raid's overall DPS would be higher. (with the right makeup)
#7 Dec 15 2007 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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DO NOT RESPEC!!!!!

You have godly SV stats +700 agi 30% crit, you've got the stats to do pretty good dps, backed up with skill you can top the dps.

your EW is 190 ap, that alone is a great help to the raid, your traps will be needed in kara.

Once your guild gets through kara, and moves onto the 25mans respec to SV dps.
#8 Dec 15 2007 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rasen wrote:
You will do less DPS han if you were BM, however you will be buffing the aid with EW, therefore everyone else will do more DPS with you around as SV than if you were BM.

As you're a team player, this should be good news to you :)

Actually, depending on how heavy the physical DPS is in the raid, FI might yeild more DPS increase to the raid than EW.

I'm personally more for BM, since I believe that trapping only ever requires skill. Ressist are harsh, even more so vs. mobs that are higher than 70, but it's still doable.

It all really comes down to what you'd like to play/try out. Also take into consideration what other hunters there are in the guild. If everyone is a BM fanatic like me, you'll be right in staying SV. If there already is one or more SV hunters in the guild other than you, you could spec BM without a heavy heart.

If you think it's worth it to spend money to exchange your sockets and enchants (or maybe you have a +agi set and a +AP set, like me?) I'd advise you to spec BM.
#9 Dec 16 2007 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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Without reading other replies:
Stay SV.
Mostly because you will be (and for a while remain) the best geared hunter in your guild.
Also SV > BM for dps with the downside that more then 1 sv starts getting useless.

Not to mention the trapping needed on some trash and on moroes.
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