I'm a hunter, so god forbid I can get into a half decent raiding guild.
I think I've applied for every raiding, heroic, anything guild on my server, and I've gotten the same exact answer from all of them: "We're full on hunters."
Yeah, okay. So the only other possibility is being friendly and completley dominating 5 mans.
So when the 4 other people in 5 mans have Kara or better gear, and I have pre Kara gear, tell me a way I'm supposed to keep up with them? I ask a lot of pugs about their guilds....same answer.
And the past guilds I've been in no longer exist, because they disband after their first week, saying they suck because they couldn't clear Kara the very first guild run.
The realm forums on the main WoW site havent been updated in ages.
I'd start my own, but well, I have 0 connections, and no one knows who I am at all.
*sigh*
/rant
Anyways, point of topic...I want all of your down and dirty tricks of nailing a spot in at least a half decent raiding/heroic guild? I really, really, REALLY don't want to relevel a new character just to experience half the content of the game =/
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kul+Tiras&n=Fanoran
I'm Kara geared. I've been in Kara before, I know the fights...but I'm getting royally owned.
Hold of on the "QQ, stfu noob, you suck" flaming quotes, I don't want to hear it. I'm just frustrated, is all =(
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I swear that I have a vague feeling in my mind that I looked at your arm earlier today. Oh wait, I did.
No connections whatsoever? Like, at all? I started up a new hunter a month or two back, after retiring my pre-bc raider when we couldn't down Cthun in AQ40, a while back. Server progress is one guild through BT, next highest is at Al'ar, and after that its through Gruul. When I was getting back into it, one of my friends was in the guild through Gruul, lucky me, theres a connection, after I dunno, around six months.
Later I see that one of the healers from my pre-bc guild is getting ready for Kara, another connection. A rogue in a PvP guild, another connection. A 70 shammy in a guild going onto Mag? He deleted his toon for a personal reason. Connections in another guild though? Check.
Have you PvPed? I've been invited into a guild be cause I was bored of PvEing so I played AB and was top DD all day, with sh*tty gear (I'm not trying to sound egotistic there).
If you instance a lot, and show some good cc when all of the other people are decked out in kara gear.
The guilds are all full? Send in an application, follow their guidelines, maybe instance with their top hunter to show them how good you are. Try doing some arena, see if you can get some good teammates, and maybe they'll reference you to their guilds.
I see that you have Kara bracers, so if any guilds are thinking that maybe you don't have any raid experience, they will see that.
Try to join a guild thats just starting up for pre-kara, maybe they'll have all badge gear, so you can fly right through kara, or something like that.
EDIT: I just reread that, and I sounded like an ***, don't take it that way.
Edited, Dec 14th 2007 10:04pm by Yuppley
No connections whatsoever? Like, at all? I started up a new hunter a month or two back, after retiring my pre-bc raider when we couldn't down Cthun in AQ40, a while back. Server progress is one guild through BT, next highest is at Al'ar, and after that its through Gruul. When I was getting back into it, one of my friends was in the guild through Gruul, lucky me, theres a connection, after I dunno, around six months.
Later I see that one of the healers from my pre-bc guild is getting ready for Kara, another connection. A rogue in a PvP guild, another connection. A 70 shammy in a guild going onto Mag? He deleted his toon for a personal reason. Connections in another guild though? Check.
Have you PvPed? I've been invited into a guild be cause I was bored of PvEing so I played AB and was top DD all day, with sh*tty gear (I'm not trying to sound egotistic there).
If you instance a lot, and show some good cc when all of the other people are decked out in kara gear.
The guilds are all full? Send in an application, follow their guidelines, maybe instance with their top hunter to show them how good you are. Try doing some arena, see if you can get some good teammates, and maybe they'll reference you to their guilds.
I see that you have Kara bracers, so if any guilds are thinking that maybe you don't have any raid experience, they will see that.
Try to join a guild thats just starting up for pre-kara, maybe they'll have all badge gear, so you can fly right through kara, or something like that.
EDIT: I just reread that, and I sounded like an ***, don't take it that way.
Edited, Dec 14th 2007 10:04pm by Yuppley
My sudgestion, take any pug raids/heroics you can and be brilliant in them. Or work on pvp, try and get into pre-mades etc. JUST GET INTO GROUPS!
Just keep casting your lines into the water and eventually you will get a bite.
Just keep casting your lines into the water and eventually you will get a bite.
Try Blizzard's server forums.
try looking on WoWJutsu.com
It has a section for every realm in the game, and has a breakdown of where each guild is at, raid-wise. It can be a little out-dated at times, and a little deceiving at others, but it at least has the names of guilds that have done stuff.
I didn't use it to find my guild, but it could be a helpful tool. There are guilds on there on my server that I had never heard of, but have progressed well. Probably because they're always out doing things.
The way I got into my current guild was by chance. I had been looking for a new Kara guild for a while, and I just happened to party up with one of the officers from the guild. We ran Black Morass about 6 times in one day together, and he was impressed with how I handled myself, and how I out-DPSed him like crazy. He pulled me into the guild, and I've been really happy ever since.
It has a section for every realm in the game, and has a breakdown of where each guild is at, raid-wise. It can be a little out-dated at times, and a little deceiving at others, but it at least has the names of guilds that have done stuff.
I didn't use it to find my guild, but it could be a helpful tool. There are guilds on there on my server that I had never heard of, but have progressed well. Probably because they're always out doing things.
The way I got into my current guild was by chance. I had been looking for a new Kara guild for a while, and I just happened to party up with one of the officers from the guild. We ran Black Morass about 6 times in one day together, and he was impressed with how I handled myself, and how I out-DPSed him like crazy. He pulled me into the guild, and I've been really happy ever since.
Rate up Project NICE!
I'd have to agree with Project. Check out wowjutsu and find a guild that is doing things and maybe cross reference the guild name with Blizzards armory to find out who the officers are or guild leader is and then send 'em a message. Check to see if they have a web site maybe, perhaps you can put in an app. Be specific about what raid times you will be available for.
Be patient once you find a guild willing to give you a shot, roll with it for awhile, see how things are run. Eventually you will get a spot on a few runs and you will start getting your gear. Sadly, I've seen people join my guild and quit within a week or so because they didn't get into kara right away and get all epic'd out right off the bat. I still see some of them floundering around in the same gear from time to time... scrubs. QQ
Get "omen" threat meter, ventrillo3 and also "DBM" deadly boss mods... very helpfull addons and often required for raiding guilds.
In the mean time run heroics and get those badges, heroic gear is on par with kara gear and the stuff you can get with the badges is pretty awesome aswell.
Stay positive and tenacious... Good luck!
Kul-tiras US seems to have a quite decent raiding scene.
Enough guilds doing kara, gruul and Zul'Aman.
Enough guilds doing kara, gruul and Zul'Aman.
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#1. what kind of server are you on
#2. if its a PVP - transfer to my server and you will be invited to my guild
We have 5 70's and i am 200k away, many others are soon to be 70 and we are looking to start running kara.
I am running BG right now to get my Epic gear from the vendor, its expensive, but it will be worth it in the long run.
Let me know.
Check out our website - its raw but you can look
www.darkknightsoftherose.com
My email is on there.
#2. if its a PVP - transfer to my server and you will be invited to my guild
We have 5 70's and i am 200k away, many others are soon to be 70 and we are looking to start running kara.
I am running BG right now to get my Epic gear from the vendor, its expensive, but it will be worth it in the long run.
Let me know.
Check out our website - its raw but you can look
www.darkknightsoftherose.com
My email is on there.
I'm on smolderthorn and me and my BF have been through a few guilds till one day we were doing an instance with some people (it was a PUG) the guild we were in at the time hardly helped eachother but we stayed just so we didn't have to deal with the " you wanna join my guild" bullstuff. It was me hunter my BF warlock, Priest,shammy,and someone else pally or whatever anyway I was chain trapping and the shammy kept using chain lightning and breaking it when I asked him to stop using it all he could do was bi#$h when I did so.
We ended up wiping because of the stupid mistakes he was making,Everyone warned him and we went on then he agroed some mobs a couple more times and some of us died but not all.We were all like oh well stuff happens and kept moving,we got to a point where I had to go up a ramp to target my mob and I agroed 3 mobs,we got through it but the shammy freaked out and had said something on the lines of "damn hunters". The tank had to leave and the priest got leader so we kicked the shammy the priest brought his tank into the picture and two boxed and we brought in another dps, the best run ever after that it had gone so smooth.
we were talking with the priest about his guild and the one we were currently in and he knew we knew what we were doing, he asked his guild officer and we have been in this great,very helpful kara guild ever since.Sorry such a long story but Pretty much do instances show off your skill and talk with people too, which you say you have done, but keep it up.either that or you can switch to another server and start fresh.
We ended up wiping because of the stupid mistakes he was making,Everyone warned him and we went on then he agroed some mobs a couple more times and some of us died but not all.We were all like oh well stuff happens and kept moving,we got to a point where I had to go up a ramp to target my mob and I agroed 3 mobs,we got through it but the shammy freaked out and had said something on the lines of "damn hunters". The tank had to leave and the priest got leader so we kicked the shammy the priest brought his tank into the picture and two boxed and we brought in another dps, the best run ever after that it had gone so smooth.
we were talking with the priest about his guild and the one we were currently in and he knew we knew what we were doing, he asked his guild officer and we have been in this great,very helpful kara guild ever since.Sorry such a long story but Pretty much do instances show off your skill and talk with people too, which you say you have done, but keep it up.either that or you can switch to another server and start fresh.
Does your realm have any unofficial realm forums where people go to chat other than the Blizzard forums? My realm seems pretty unique in that respect, but you could always try that. There's the Guild Recruitment channel, though I don't know how useful that is on your realm.
If you group with good players, check out their guild on the armoury page and see if they need dps classes. Even if they say they're full on hunters, you may be better than the ones they have presently, so ask one of their guild leaders for a trial. Lots of hunters don't know how to play their class. Also take the time to write a really detailed application if its for a guild you really want to get into, in particular emphasising what it is that you can do for them, rather than what they can do for you (eg. armour patches, cooking, enchanting and whatnot).
Another good idea is to Arena and PvP a lot in your spare time. It may be slow, but you'll build good gear over time by doing arena, and that will make you more attractive to guilds looking for recruits; well geared players are typically preferred. Taking up leatherworking and/or engineering is also an option for T5 equivalent gear; Ebon Netherscale and Boots of the Crimson Hawk are excellent and not all that hard to make. It also means that even if a guild is full of hunters, the fact that you don't wish to take away raid slots spent gearing them up will work in your favour.
I'm afraid armoury is down so I can't see you, but it's quite easy to do well in pre-raid gear. For raids I actually remove my Beastmaw shoulders and Demon Stalker gloves so I can wear 2 pieces of Desolation for the +hit set bonus. Potting up and spamming my macro is all it takes for me to take top spot in dps up to Gruul (which is all I've seen). In heroics good trapping is very appreciated by good players, so that will get you noticed as well. 2 piece Beastlord is good for helping with this.
Don't be afraid to join a guild that is only just starting Karazhan; if the players are good enough you'll progress eventually. Make it known that you're progress-minded, show up to raids with potions and buffs and people will know you're serious. This will help them buck their game up, and if they don't at least you won't be resented for leaving as you made your intentions clear from the start.
Finally, make use of your friends list. Personally, I find it quite difficult to ask people for help, even if I've run with them before or if they're in my guild, but if you're the sort of person who can communicate more easily then by all means make a name for yourself. It's gratifying getting asked to come for a heroic run because someone heard from one of your guildies that you're really good at your class.
If you group with good players, check out their guild on the armoury page and see if they need dps classes. Even if they say they're full on hunters, you may be better than the ones they have presently, so ask one of their guild leaders for a trial. Lots of hunters don't know how to play their class. Also take the time to write a really detailed application if its for a guild you really want to get into, in particular emphasising what it is that you can do for them, rather than what they can do for you (eg. armour patches, cooking, enchanting and whatnot).
Another good idea is to Arena and PvP a lot in your spare time. It may be slow, but you'll build good gear over time by doing arena, and that will make you more attractive to guilds looking for recruits; well geared players are typically preferred. Taking up leatherworking and/or engineering is also an option for T5 equivalent gear; Ebon Netherscale and Boots of the Crimson Hawk are excellent and not all that hard to make. It also means that even if a guild is full of hunters, the fact that you don't wish to take away raid slots spent gearing them up will work in your favour.
I'm afraid armoury is down so I can't see you, but it's quite easy to do well in pre-raid gear. For raids I actually remove my Beastmaw shoulders and Demon Stalker gloves so I can wear 2 pieces of Desolation for the +hit set bonus. Potting up and spamming my macro is all it takes for me to take top spot in dps up to Gruul (which is all I've seen). In heroics good trapping is very appreciated by good players, so that will get you noticed as well. 2 piece Beastlord is good for helping with this.
Don't be afraid to join a guild that is only just starting Karazhan; if the players are good enough you'll progress eventually. Make it known that you're progress-minded, show up to raids with potions and buffs and people will know you're serious. This will help them buck their game up, and if they don't at least you won't be resented for leaving as you made your intentions clear from the start.
Finally, make use of your friends list. Personally, I find it quite difficult to ask people for help, even if I've run with them before or if they're in my guild, but if you're the sort of person who can communicate more easily then by all means make a name for yourself. It's gratifying getting asked to come for a heroic run because someone heard from one of your guildies that you're really good at your class.
thrillba wrote:
We have 5 70's and i am 200k away, many others are soon to be 70 and we are looking to start running kara.
I had this problem pre-BC. My hunter skills were fine, but I'm not a overly chatty person in vent or in guild chat. I was always friendly, played well, and helped others .. but in a lot of guilds/servers the most vocal people will get the better slots. It is a social game after all.
Pre-bc I got frustrated when even an UBRS spot called for a gear check and a complete assurance that I could pull Drak. ("Yes I can, no problem ... /are you sure? "yes" /absolutely sure? "omg")
So I took some time and made a priest. She's now a holy priest and one of my guild's top healers. She's also one of of two holy priests that we have. My hunter is officially my main. Starting out in my guild, they knew this. Being that I had a healer, they accomodated my hunter in raid slots as well, and I switch off. The guild was also pleasantly surprised that I was just as strong a hunter as I am a healer. I'm a bargain well worth investing in.
I'm not suggesting you drop your hunter. But many people have alts. Having one that guilds are generally in constant need of was worth the effort for me. Not to mention the exposure.
Pre-bc I got frustrated when even an UBRS spot called for a gear check and a complete assurance that I could pull Drak. ("Yes I can, no problem ... /are you sure? "yes" /absolutely sure? "omg")
So I took some time and made a priest. She's now a holy priest and one of my guild's top healers. She's also one of of two holy priests that we have. My hunter is officially my main. Starting out in my guild, they knew this. Being that I had a healer, they accomodated my hunter in raid slots as well, and I switch off. The guild was also pleasantly surprised that I was just as strong a hunter as I am a healer. I'm a bargain well worth investing in.
I'm not suggesting you drop your hunter. But many people have alts. Having one that guilds are generally in constant need of was worth the effort for me. Not to mention the exposure.
Aethien wrote:
thrillba wrote:
We have 5 70's and i am 200k away, many others are soon to be 70 and we are looking to start running kara.
Gear and class composition are the 2 hardest things when getting a raid together, gear being the far easier one of the 2.
For you (and other hunters in your guild) check link in sig or sticky at the top of the page.
For you (and other hunters in your guild) check link in sig or sticky at the top of the page.
I got lucky and found a good 3 day a week raiding guild in my server. It has 4 hunters in it, but theyre all past Kara so I can get my gear easy I guess. It was just frustrating to have to go like 8 months at 70 without moving past Kara =/
And I'm also leveling a druid alt, because my server has an extremely low Druid population, and an extremely low tank population. So I can win, there.
Thanks for that link too, btw. It can help me out in the future, and any friends I might have.
And I'm also leveling a druid alt, because my server has an extremely low Druid population, and an extremely low tank population. So I can win, there.
Thanks for that link too, btw. It can help me out in the future, and any friends I might have.
Aethien wrote:
thrillba wrote:
We have 5 70's and i am 200k away, many others are soon to be 70 and we are looking to start running kara.
QFT We have 12-15(I lost count) 70s, all or 90% are keyed, same if not more level 66+ players in guild. Still haven't run kara, because we only really have 4 or 5 that are actually geared for kara. 2 of those are crucial roles, and that is the tanks aren't geared yet.
My guild has about 35 lvl 70s and most of them are keyed for Kara but we don't have the correct group makeup to run it. We are missing the numbers in specific classes and have to many in others.
5 rogues (2 subd, 2 assassin, 1 hybrid subd combat)
6 hunters (1 BM, 1 SV, 4 MM)
5 warrior (2 tanks other 3 arms fury hybrids)
3 druids (1 resto 2 balance)
1 Priest (disc)
1 Shaman (elemental)
6 palis (2 prot, 3 holy, 1 ret)
3 Locks (demo)
4 Mages (1 arcane, 3 frost)
I looked it up. Unfortunately. Most are not geared "OR" keyed for Kara. However when I am online we have about 10 lvl 70s. mostly DPS. When the tanks are on, the healers aren't and vice versa.
Makes it hard to run Kara when most of your guild is not on at the same time. =D
5 rogues (2 subd, 2 assassin, 1 hybrid subd combat)
6 hunters (1 BM, 1 SV, 4 MM)
5 warrior (2 tanks other 3 arms fury hybrids)
3 druids (1 resto 2 balance)
1 Priest (disc)
1 Shaman (elemental)
6 palis (2 prot, 3 holy, 1 ret)
3 Locks (demo)
4 Mages (1 arcane, 3 frost)
I looked it up. Unfortunately. Most are not geared "OR" keyed for Kara. However when I am online we have about 10 lvl 70s. mostly DPS. When the tanks are on, the healers aren't and vice versa.
Makes it hard to run Kara when most of your guild is not on at the same time. =D
Keep in mind that you do NOT have to have the cookie cutter raid build to run Kara.
Just the other night I went to a Pug Kara on my alt and at first glance I thought "Oh hell, here comes a repair bill."
We did just fine, and btw we didn't have vent either.
We ended the Pug raid with Huntsman, Moroes, Maiden and Opera down.
We didn't even have a priest with us.
My advice to you would be post a raid and fill it out however you can and try it.
Some area's might call for a little "Out-of-the-Box" thinking but you may just surprise yourself.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 1:42pm by dbernor
Just the other night I went to a Pug Kara on my alt and at first glance I thought "Oh hell, here comes a repair bill."
We did just fine, and btw we didn't have vent either.
We ended the Pug raid with Huntsman, Moroes, Maiden and Opera down.
We didn't even have a priest with us.
My advice to you would be post a raid and fill it out however you can and try it.
Some area's might call for a little "Out-of-the-Box" thinking but you may just surprise yourself.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 1:42pm by dbernor
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Posted: Dec 18 2007 at 1:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Does anyone actually read, I told him we are "looking to run kara". The only way to do that is to get more people in the guild, and the only way to do that is ...? ... anyone ... anyone... recruit... thats right. Not trying to sound mean or throw anything back in anyone's faces but in order to have a guild that is any good you must have loyalty. I know that we cannot run kara this weekend, but as everyone knows, you must start somewhere. And I am trying to recruit here, if he wants a good guild he is more than welcome to come to mine. And please before any bashing or name calling goes on - not saying that anyone was doing this- i understand that you guys were offering advice, but I knew that already. I will say this, everyone that has come to my guild likes the fact that they don't have a GM that is yelling at them telling them to be on their main because they HAVE to run kara. I think that is ridiculous, if someone wants to play an alt, let them play an alt. I don't think someone should be demoted or otherwise penalized because they don't feel like playing or god forbid something in RL happen and they can't be there, which I have heard of. Thank you guys for the advice, even though I already knew that 5 70's don't make a raiding guild. But like I've said, every guild starts somewhere. I started this guild with a friend and we struggled at first, we are now up to 88 members and growing. If anyone wants to come to my server and help us become a better guild by helping with raids and what not, go check out www.darkknightsoftherose.com. And like i said earlier, the website isn't the greatest but at least its out there.
thrillba wrote:
Does anyone actually read, I told him we are "looking to run kara". The only way to do that is to get more people in the guild, and the only way to do that is ...? ... anyone ... anyone... recruit... thats right. Not trying to sound mean or throw anything back in anyone's faces but in order to have a guild that is any good you must have loyalty. I know that we cannot run kara this weekend, but as everyone knows, you must start somewhere. And I am trying to recruit here, if he wants a good guild he is more than welcome to come to mine. And please before any bashing or name calling goes on - not saying that anyone was doing this- i understand that you guys were offering advice, but I knew that already. I will say this, everyone that has come to my guild likes the fact that they don't have a GM that is yelling at them telling them to be on their main because they HAVE to run kara. I think that is ridiculous, if someone wants to play an alt, let them play an alt. I don't think someone should be demoted or otherwise penalized because they don't feel like playing or god forbid something in RL happen and they can't be there, which I have heard of. Thank you guys for the advice, even though I already knew that 5 70's don't make a raiding guild. But like I've said, every guild starts somewhere. I started this guild with a friend and we struggled at first, we are now up to 88 members and growing. If anyone wants to come to my server and help us become a better guild by helping with raids and what not, go check out www.darkknightsoftherose.com. And like i said earlier, the website isn't the greatest but at least its out there.
I think you miss the point. No one in their right mind is going to switch servers to join a guild that isn't doing what they are looking for yet. They might as well stay in their current guild and wait out the storm. Hell he would do better switching over to my guild and getting invited there. At least we got the numbers we need. He prolly would get a Kara run sooner too.
To be totally honest with you I wouldn't switch servers just to join a guild that isn't already running the place I want to run. Say I was geared for Gruul or the other place. I wouldn't switch servers to join a guild that isn't even hitting Kara yet. That's just *** backwards.
Oh and that wall of text makes my eyes bleed. hope you die in a fire.
Edited, Dec 18th 2007 2:22pm by HitashLevat
#22REDACTED,
Posted: Dec 19 2007 at 7:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you would have bothered to read the original posts, he says that he has applied to all sorts of guilds and no one has accepted him because they don't need hunters - so, he isn't running kara. I offered him a way to at least be working toward that end. Its good that you have also offered him that solution. I am sure that is why he posted the message. And the fact that people are completely missing the point reaffirms my belief that no one reads.
thrillba wrote:
If you would have bothered to read the original posts, he says that he has applied to all sorts of guilds and no one has accepted him because they don't need hunters - so, he isn't running kara. I offered him a way to at least be working toward that end. Its good that you have also offered him that solution. I am sure that is why he posted the message. And the fact that people are completely missing the point reaffirms my belief that no one reads.
And as for the whole making my eyes bleed thing ... grow up and read a book every once in a while. That much text should not hurt anyone, unless you are severely underdeveloped.
And as for the whole making my eyes bleed thing ... grow up and read a book every once in a while. That much text should not hurt anyone, unless you are severely underdeveloped.
But he said he is ready for Kara. Your guild is not. Pure and simple. Hense the previous post. I said I will not bring myself back when I want to advance. It is an *** backwards way of thinking. Specially when it costs money. Hell if he really wants to transfer servers I have a few connections on my server I am sure I could hook him up with. And they Raid Kara about 3 times a week. As for myself I build up a bond with the guild I am with and am not going to leave them even though these connections said they would love to have me.
And as to reading a book. Every book I have ever read has more break in the wall than yours does. Try spacing it out a bit between sections. this last one was a little better. I believe it is you who needs to grow up and realise your not always right.
Smile! Just cause your lifes ending, doesn't mean you have to drag others with you. =D
And for god sakes go to the mall and buy an extra large sense of humor =P
Edited, Dec 19th 2007 7:24am by HitashLevat
Books aren't read off a screen, and the black text they're written in is easier on the eyes than the white of this forum. There are health warnings saying not to stay on the computer for extended periods of time due to straining your eyes, there aren't any for books (except for reading in dim light). It's not really a straightforward comparison.
Keep running 5mans to complete your blue set. Pvp some for the filler gear that's slight better then your greens like the boots and whatnot.
One thing to look for are the smaller guild that have finished kara with their first group and are starting a second group so they can venture into 25 man content.
One thing to look for are the smaller guild that have finished kara with their first group and are starting a second group so they can venture into 25 man content.
#26REDACTED,
Posted: Dec 19 2007 at 2:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Once again you completely miss the point. I offered him a solution, whether or not he wants to take it is his decision. I know we aren't ready for kara yet, but would you rater sit there and apply apply apply to guilds and be turned down or actually be working toward something. I know I'm not right all the time, but I know for sure that you are wrong. Your view is completely askew because your ego got bruised by someone that is a little more intelligent than you.
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