help with a dps druidFollow

A druid friend of mine that i run kara with has been playing the dps role alot latley in kara. Unfortunatly his dps has been very far from awsome.

Now i understand that a druid needs to make things bleed and that plays a big part in damage. and in kara they cannot bleed. but still he only accounted for 10 percent of the damage in the run ( a little under 1 mil ) When myself as a hunter accounted for 20 percent (or about 2 mill damage)

Now i really want to help him get the most damage outa his druid, and i really think he has the skills to do it. i just think he may have gotten a little to used to tanking.

so here is his character. any tips on non kara dps gear, strategy, or anything that you think would help the dps would be greatly apreciated.

Now i will probably get in trouble for asking about this. but i think he will thank me later when he is beating me in the damage meters.

thanks a ton in advance for any tips: here is his armory

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Rexxar&n=Basharass

I totally agree to Mazra's post, the talent spec does not look very good. Why would you ever need 1/3 survival of the fittest? If you tank you go full out in that, if you never tank you leave it alone.

Worse than spec and gear however is the fact that he seems to try both tanking and dps'ing at the same time. I don't know if the gear he is wearing in armory is a joke or something. I assume he has better than a grey cloth chest :P He's also walking around in +def gear and dps gear. If you role is dps, carry a set for that and put it on. If your role is dps/offtank, then it's ok to wear your tanking gear and let the dps suffer. It's really up to the raid leader to decide if he wants you in tanking or dps gear.

A few easy pointers for improving his dps get rid of the grey cloth chest :P, get gloves of dextrous manipulation from attumen, garonas signet ring from curator, dps neck from chess (can't remember name), new cloak, get rid of +def trinket :P. And then fix spec to something like this. Whether you like intensity or natural shapeshifter is a matter of personal preference, and the last point can be put in natures grasp or wherever you like. I would not recommend feral aggression. It gives a boost to dps in karazhan, but overall the talents are better spent elsewhere

Edited, Dec 14th 2007 11:13am by DKDruid

Edited, Dec 14th 2007 11:14am by DKDruid

Here is probably the cookie cutter feral build there is 1 floating point left to spend which can either go in Natures Grasp in the Balance tree or in Natural Shapeshifter in Resto for a 10% reduction on shifting costs. (or anywhere else for that matter)

All the feral talents that are needed for dps and tanking are covered, plus Furor for the rage/energy boost on shift, Naturalist for 10% damage increase and OOC which is a beast of a talent.

A standard DPS rotuine on a mod that can't bleed is
Mangle
Shred till mangle debuff is about to expire
Mangle
Shred etc etc

rinse and repeat

For a mob that can bleed (and maiden in Kara is one of these)
Mangle
Shred to 5 CP's
Rip
Mangle
Shred to 5 CP's
Rip
rinse repeat.


Pre-kara I can't really think on stuff, but you should make sure to stack STR and AGI til AP is around the 2000 mark then aim for just AGI. Also you should try to get +hit into the 140's

Early drops in Kara that can help are the Gloves from Attument, Boots and Trinket from Moroes
If he's an Elem LW you could suggest getting the Primal Strike set .

The legs he has on armoury should be patched with the 40AP 10Crit not the 30Sta as they should be dps not tanking. Get the Heavy Clefthoof for tanking if needed.

From the armoury, grey chest aside, he should really be getting either a dps set (AP, AGI, STR, HIT) or a tanking set (STA, ARM, DODGE, DEF) not mixing the two together.

That's all I have for now.



Edited, Dec 14th 2007 6:06am by kadanis

To the poster above: He already has boots of natural grace. I don't think the moroes ones can top those :)

EDIT: Selverin was faster than me :) So this post is aimed at the one above him :)

Edited, Dec 14th 2007 3:02pm by DKDruid

I always love these "a friend of mine" threads.

ya it really is a guildy of mine.. you see the thing is that i dont think he has ever even attempted to max out his dps. So i thank you all for the tips and hopefully i will get to talk to him about this soon.

LOL its not the easiest thing in the world for a non druid player to tell a person who only plays druid that there damage sucks and then recommend a build and gear for them.

Also. i have noticed that his shoulders are slightly strange.. are those ok for dps or should he find other stuff?

actually if someone could skim over his gear and lemme know what needs to be replaced for dps. and what are some good options (pre kara) to replace them with.

Once again thanks a ton for any help.

I'm not sure who's sockpuppet you are, but it doesn't matter.

The funny thing about "a friend of mine" threads isn't necessarily that the poster is too shy to admit being the one who needs help, but it often is that the friend in question who needs the help should do the research himself. While general advice can be given, as has been just done here, specific research must be done by the guy himself.

As for the gear advice, check the Sticky, there's a link to a "shopping" list for pre-Kara tank gear. Or better yet, tell your friend to come here and check it out himself, it'd do him good.


From what I remember there aren't a lot of good shoulder options for tanking Druids and Arena ones are amongst the better choices. Edit: As mentioned though, could indeed be better for PvE DPS. (i.e. steal those Rogue shoulders next time they drop >_>)

Edited, Dec 14th 2007 2:18pm by Selverein

Erm... the fact that your very first post was defending some random guy. That's usually what people do. They create a false account and post some nonsense to avoid the consequences of their acts.

Maybe you just felt the sudden urge to create your account at the same moment you saw this thread, what do I know...

I just stand up for my friends. ***** me. I didn't create a false account, just never needed to post on this forum before. He made a post trying to get help for a guildie and was falsely called out as being the player needing help. Then you guys proceed to make an assumption about me too. This will be my last post on this forum.

Edited, Dec 14th 2007 3:43pm by Dirksdead

Please dear god lets not start an argument over this. The simple truth is i am here on these forums all the time. just not the druid forums. I dont have a druid. i have a hunter (see sig) and a priest that i just recently dinged 70 with.

The reason my guildy is not posting here is because he is one of the many players who has not even considerd comming here for advice. he dosent even know about this site.

Also one of the main reasons why i came here to try and learn about druid dps is because he probably would refuse to. Not only that but he would probably get totally pissed about what has been said. he gets offended easily.

He has no clue that i want to talk to him about his dps being low and he even has no clue that his dps sucks.

So i still have to find a way to break this news to him. without pissing him off.

Please lets not turn this into a thread war. I apreciate the help and would love to keep more help comming.

Dirks dead and myself are both guildys of basharass (the druid) and we would really like to do better in kara and that is why we are here asking questions. because our guildy refuses to do it on his own.

Now with that said. I am positive that the grey chest he is wearing in that profile was a mistake he has better gear than that chest.

but other than that.. the gear you see is the gear he has been dpsing kara with.

and belive it or not he was out dps'd by even the tank i think. or close to it.



Edited, Dec 14th 2007 4:05pm by Slammerofkooter

Make him read this:
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16902-feral_druid_megathread/
At least the part concerning feral cats.

Read this:
https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1133967389&&sid=1

Read this:
http://druid.wikispaces.com/ToskksDPSGearMethod

Read this:
http://druid.wikispaces.com/AthinirasCorner

Download this spreadsheet:
http://files.filefront.com/DruidStats+v2303xls/;9007551;/fileinfo.html

And this too:
http://www.speedyshare.com/731611228.html


That should solve all his problems. If he decides he does not need, boot him off the guild. He is not willing to learn and will not be a good player ever.

Not only would I believe that, I'd be surprised if he could ever outDPS anybody but the healers. That gear is absolutely abysmal for cat form DPS...no exaggeration. Frankly I have trouble believing that he's enough of a "playah" to be rolling in epic PvP gear and has that much Kara experience and still doesn't know his class well enough to put together better gear than that. Yours must be a very patient guild.

Seriously, ask him what his attack power and crit are...they should (but won't) be at least 2500 and 32%. Bare friggin' minimum. I'd be really surprised if he's over 2000 and 28% with that gear.

Edit: I'll rate Brisin up for ya, Koot. : )

Edited, Dec 14th 2007 2:46pm by JeeBar

Going by the description you give of your friend, he is and always will be a crappy feral druid.
He needs to take it to the next level, but first he has to admit that he sucks and second be willing to put in the effort to correct the first.

I'm kind of in the same situation, being in a very casual guild we unfortunately have several members in our kara raid with that same attitude.

My advise is to live with it or kick him from the raid, I'd go with the latter.