Hello, I was reading through the stickies and didn't see sample rotations so I have a few questions:
PvP Battle grounds:
Against:
Mage - CS, hemo, hemo, ks, hemo, evis?
Warrior - Garrote, GS, hemo, hemo, rupture, etc?
Hunter - CS, hemo, hemo, EA, hemo, hemo, evis?
Any other class tips or rotation advice?
PvE raids:
Garrote, SnD, hemo, hemo, hemo, hemo, SnD, hemo x5, rupture?
And on bleed immune?
Any tips or advice is greatly appreciated!
Thank you.
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On PVE mobs that are immune to bleed you evis, if your tank is a warrior he will kick you so hard you will no longer need help getting oral is you EA.
uhm your attack rotations often end with evis huh..
yeah evis SUCKS in pvp.
use rupture or SnD.
yeah evis SUCKS in pvp.
use rupture or SnD.
Theolo wrote:
uhm your attack rotations often end with evis huh..
yeah evis SUCKS in pvp.
use rupture or SnD.
yeah evis SUCKS in pvp.
use rupture or SnD.
Huh? Please explain yourself. Think of it as writing A PVP Rogue's Finishing Moves for Dummies.
My Eviscerate does 1305 at the most (according to the tool tip). My rupture does a maximum of 1000 (again according to the tool tip). I'm trying to imagine what would be that different about pvp vs. pve play that would cause that to be preferrable, not to mention both of the finishing moves you suggest are useless for the situation where you really are going to finish your opponent and therefor the skirmish, and one of em useless even if you would be moving on to another opponent within a milisecond after finishing the one you're on.
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My Eviscerate does 1305 at the most (according to the tool tip). My rupture does a maximum of 1000 (again according to the tool tip). I'm trying to imagine what would be that different about pvp vs. pve play that would cause that to be preferrable, not to mention both of the finishing moves you suggest are useless for the situation where you really are going to finish your opponent and therefor the skirmish, and one of em useless even if you would be moving on to another opponent within a milisecond after finishing the one you're on.
Not going to get too deep into the situational events of pvp / pve. Keep in mind Rupture ignores armor, only costs 25 energy to use (i.e. Free with 5 Combo points and relentless strikes). It is also buffed by various other aspects, Serrated blades = +30% rupture damage, the druid move Mangle also increases bleed damage by 30%
For PvP you can use it to prevent rogues / druids from restealthing, chew throw high armored targets, use it preemptively (i.e. Slap it on a hunter before he scatter shot>traps you or if he is going to use Beastial Wrath). Also very useful as a bandage stopper or if you have no anti-cc cooldowns up and someone is trying to run from you since the DoT damage will still be visible and you can follow it to your enemy. I tend to throw it up when I am about to die, being able to stop an enemy rogue from re-stealthing for 15 seconds is far more useful than a 2k eviscerate he can just bandage off and keep fighting. Eviscerate is also reduced in effectiveness by Resilience, wheras the DoT reduction of Resi isn't as bad as -crit% chance and -crit dmg reduction.
Eviscerate is generally only better to use if your target has low hp & will be finished off by the evisc. The target is bleed immune. The enemy doesn't have enough HP for a rupture to last its full duration... or if you already have both slice and dice and rupture up on an enemy in PvE (usually only happens during Adrenaline rush anyway).
Also in a group situation, Expose Armor will yield far more damage than Eviscerate. I'm sure there are more reasons...
Call me stupid or something, but I'm wondering why you open up a fight against a mage with CS (Blink that's not on CD?)
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Call me stupid or something, but I'm wondering why you open up a fight against a mage with CS (Blink that's not on CD?)
You are stupid.
Cheapshot>Hemo x2 usually = 5combo points. Mage Blinks>You chase>5 Point Kidneyshot> = Dead mage without trinket or Ice block.
I always open up against Mages with Cheapshot. Stand in front and if they decide to Frost nova you, you can gouge them whilst they slowly walk off (slowly because you have crippling up right?).
The gouge won't last as long as frost nova, but it will slow them down and it will save you having to blow cooldowns early. You can wait and see what they do next. If they now blink, Sprint out of Nova and Kidneyshot. If they Iceblock / trinket you still have sprint up to use to run away and restealth. If they break Block early as they see you run off, sprint should still be up in order to get back to them. e.t.c. e.t.c.
p.s. You asked for it :p
Edited, Dec 15th 2007 11:45pm by Flubgaurd
flub, unless your shadowstep, you cs, they blink, you would hafta sprint to reach them before rank 1 frost bolt, or more ideally a frost nova
garrote has been my opener of choice vs frost, and im shadowstep lol, harder spec to kite then anything not willing to pop a sprint or a blind
at the op:
in pvp, i garrote the following:
paladins, warriors, anything orc, frost mages, BM hunters if you know ahead of time, resto shamans
cheap shot the rest
Edited, Dec 16th 2007 3:50am by mongoosexcore
garrote has been my opener of choice vs frost, and im shadowstep lol, harder spec to kite then anything not willing to pop a sprint or a blind
at the op:
in pvp, i garrote the following:
paladins, warriors, anything orc, frost mages, BM hunters if you know ahead of time, resto shamans
cheap shot the rest
Edited, Dec 16th 2007 3:50am by mongoosexcore
Flubgaurd wrote:
Not going to get too deep into the situational events of pvp / pve... Also in a group situation, Expose Armor will yield far more damage than Eviscerate. I'm sure there are more reasons...
Haha. You went plenty into it and gave me the best of what I get out of these forums.
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garrote has been my opener of choice vs frost, and im shadowstep lol, harder spec to kite then anything not willing to pop a sprint or a blind
As ar/prep I find that garotte usually falls short of cheapshot. Personally I would much rather take the 4/5 combo points and the chance that the mage blinks than a 3 second silence and then... what 12 seconds where I can't blind/gouge?
I dunno man, I'm sure you have your reasons and your playstyle differs from mine so I'm not going to split hairs with you. I suppose I will stick with what I find works and you can do the same :)
I haven't been able to break the 1440 2v2 bracket due to gear limitations since 2.3 kicked in and it seems like everyone is running around in gladiator gear except me (I was away for 4 months and came back the weekend before 2.3 so no time to honor grind). But I would, (and do) use the same techniques fighting gladiator mages.
Currently half my 2v2 match ups are against either gladiator geared behemoths who just steamroll over me and my partner or they are made up of morons who can be easily beaten by: Cheapshot on (a), blind (b), dps (a) - Vanish & sap (b) blinded target and then finish off (a). Once we are down to 2v1 there is no worries since no single person is going to be killing me with my druid healer behind me.
I mention that mostly because this week we won against three different mage (possibly frost mage, I dunno they died too fast) / warrior groups where the mage was too stupid to trinket / block out of either the blind or sap.
Personally, I don't think Evis sucks at all in PVP especially if you have CB so I don't know what the hell all of you people are talking about. I was Prep/AR a few days ago. I went back to my old spec with AR, BF, and CB and I did MUCH more damage than with hemo, about 10K more against Balinda (with hemo I always did 15K.....which blows compared to 25-30K with my current spec). Anyways, in pvp I use SS, SS, SS, expose armor, ss, ss, evis.
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