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Edited, Jan 16th 2008 7:10pm by Draeneipally
Edited, Jan 16th 2008 7:26pm by Tyrandor
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While I don't see anything wrong with you posting this, I definitely expected a much more substantial post from the title. If it's a 2.3 shaman FAQ I expect it to cover more than a few sentences about aspects of the game, especially info about raiding.
Kudos to your effort, but I shall continue to wait for one of the level 70 shamans I know frequent this board occasionally to get of their behind and post something great. My 66 shaman needs help from somewhere that isn't the O-boards.
:D
Kudos to your effort, but I shall continue to wait for one of the level 70 shamans I know frequent this board occasionally to get of their behind and post something great. My 66 shaman needs help from somewhere that isn't the O-boards.
:D
i kinda wanted this to not be just my information but a sort of a wiki on allakhazam where all the shamans can add onto this. thats why i didnt go into excruciating detail =D
i actually think i will go on ahead and add some more detail.
I agree with Khalane. While your effort deserves some recognition, those questions are pretty basic. Try looking at Khalane's shadow priest guide for a model. :)
Things you could add: common talent specs, best gear and where/how to get it, in depth info on talents, totem use, raid strategies, just to name a few things.
Possibly talk more about Elemental Shamans' and Enhancement Shamans' viability in PvP. While it is not fair to tell someone that their chosen class/spec is not viable in PvP, it is also not fair to give them the idea that an Enhancement or Elemental Shaman will be naturally successful at PvP. I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer or anything, but an elemental or enhancement shaman really does not bring much to the table other classes don't offer, other than totems and moderate-high DPS.
You don't want to pigeonhole someone into being a healer, but possibly speak on Shaman's PvP healing viability. Some of the best PvP healers I've rolled with have been Resto Shamans.
Anyhoo, good start, and a wiki type Shaman guide does sound like a good idea. Maybe ask people to post their insights and then you'll compile them into a post every few days or weeks?
Things you could add: common talent specs, best gear and where/how to get it, in depth info on talents, totem use, raid strategies, just to name a few things.
Possibly talk more about Elemental Shamans' and Enhancement Shamans' viability in PvP. While it is not fair to tell someone that their chosen class/spec is not viable in PvP, it is also not fair to give them the idea that an Enhancement or Elemental Shaman will be naturally successful at PvP. I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer or anything, but an elemental or enhancement shaman really does not bring much to the table other classes don't offer, other than totems and moderate-high DPS.
You don't want to pigeonhole someone into being a healer, but possibly speak on Shaman's PvP healing viability. Some of the best PvP healers I've rolled with have been Resto Shamans.
Anyhoo, good start, and a wiki type Shaman guide does sound like a good idea. Maybe ask people to post their insights and then you'll compile them into a post every few days or weeks?
Scholar
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As a low level enhancement shaman, would be best for PVE to use a shield/1h or a 2h until I get dual wield?
Definitely a two hander most of the time, although keep a one hander and shield in your bags for times when you need to take a lot of damage.
A two hander will do around 50-75% more damage, and while you are sacrificing a bit of survivability, it's always been said "the best defense is a good offense."
A two hander will do around 50-75% more damage, and while you are sacrificing a bit of survivability, it's always been said "the best defense is a good offense."
Scholar
48 posts
Thanks for the post.
Q. Stave or 1h/shield?
A. Staves are for the stats. 1h/shield is for the armor.
Staves for instances/raids, 1h/shield for solo.
I am a lvl 63 resto shaman, I do just the opposite. Since in instances all I do is heal, I want the extra AC a shield offers. When I solo, I need extra weapon damage to augment my spell damage to make the fight go by a little quicker.
This is my talent build, I'll keep getting all the resto goodies until I hit 70.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hZxV0zZe0bxVtopjd
Q. Stave or 1h/shield?
A. Staves are for the stats. 1h/shield is for the armor.
Staves for instances/raids, 1h/shield for solo.
I am a lvl 63 resto shaman, I do just the opposite. Since in instances all I do is heal, I want the extra AC a shield offers. When I solo, I need extra weapon damage to augment my spell damage to make the fight go by a little quicker.
This is my talent build, I'll keep getting all the resto goodies until I hit 70.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hZxV0zZe0bxVtopjd
i have added a new key to the OP... if it is not asking too much i would love for this thread to be stickied so that I and other shamans can edit my post. ^_^
-Catherine
-Catherine
now that this is a sticky i believe it needs to look like one... i'm going to start making it look good. and thanks to darqflame for getting us shamans a great updated FAQ, hopefully sunsoarer will be back to add his shaman wisdom to this.
jvscubadude wrote:
Thanks for the post.
Q. Stave or 1h/shield?
A. Staves are for the stats. 1h/shield is for the armor.
Staves for instances/raids, 1h/shield for solo.
I am a lvl 63 resto shaman, I do just the opposite. Since in instances all I do is heal, I want the extra AC a shield offers. When I solo, I need extra weapon damage to augment my spell damage to make the fight go by a little quicker.
Q. Stave or 1h/shield?
A. Staves are for the stats. 1h/shield is for the armor.
Staves for instances/raids, 1h/shield for solo.
I am a lvl 63 resto shaman, I do just the opposite. Since in instances all I do is heal, I want the extra AC a shield offers. When I solo, I need extra weapon damage to augment my spell damage to make the fight go by a little quicker.
Dosen't make sense to me. If you're healing in instances why would you need more AC? You should not be getting hit at all, and if you are, get a new tank. Since two handers have more stats, in instances you should go for two handers. Also, I disagree with
Draeneipally wrote:
1h/shield for solo
jvscubadude wrote:
When I solo, I need extra weapon damage to augment my spell damage to make the fight go by a little quicker.
I have a 67 resto shaman, and when I solo I also need the extra spell damage and stats, and it's the same for elemental shamans. In fact, the only times you should really be using a 1 hander and shield are situations when you are soloing an elite or PvPing, and other times you need to mitigate more damage. You should also use a 1hander and shield at endgame when the shields and 1handers available to you become a better choice than 2handers.
you should really go for what has more/better stats.
That was my point, and almost always, if you are using same level items, a two hander is going to have more stats and better damage.
Scholar
48 posts
Thanks for the feedback.
Well, by that logic I shouldn't need stamina gear for an instance. Most runs I've been on, the tank invariably loses agro at certain points and having a shield helps mitigate damage until the tank retakes agro. I think this has been discussed in forums before but I am under the impression that one of the advantages of a shaman healer is that he has greater survivability than a priest or druid. I think they should take advantage of the fact they can carry a shield and wear mail armor.
Like I said, I am relatively low lvl and I might just be wrong about this.
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Dosen't make sense to me. If you're healing in instances why would you need more AC? You should not be getting hit at all, and if you are, get a new tank.
Well, by that logic I shouldn't need stamina gear for an instance. Most runs I've been on, the tank invariably loses agro at certain points and having a shield helps mitigate damage until the tank retakes agro. I think this has been discussed in forums before but I am under the impression that one of the advantages of a shaman healer is that he has greater survivability than a priest or druid. I think they should take advantage of the fact they can carry a shield and wear mail armor.
Like I said, I am relatively low lvl and I might just be wrong about this.
jvscubadude wrote:
Well, by that logic I shouldn't need stamina gear for an instance. Most runs I've been on, the tank invariably loses agro at certain points and having a shield helps mitigate damage until the tank retakes agro. I think this has been discussed in forums before but I am under the impression that one of the advantages of a shaman healer is that he has greater survivability than a priest or druid. I think they should take advantage of the fact they can carry a shield and wear mail armor.
Like I said, I am relatively low lvl and I might just be wrong about this.
Like I said, I am relatively low lvl and I might just be wrong about this.
No, you still need Stamina. Not in lower level instances, but in higher level ones, especially raids, there is lots of splash damage. You'll learn that in raids, if you get aggro, you're dead.
Moving on. The way that healing threat is calculated is thus:
You cast a 1000 heal spell on the tank
=500 threat
tank has 3 mobs attacking him
= ~167 threat per mob
Unless your tank is a moron (read this as PUG tank) then healers should rarely pull aggro. Now I know there are exceptions when the tank gets stunned or feared or some other form of CCed, but generally, a tank can and should be holding aggro from at least the healer. All a warrior would have to do would be to Demoralizing Shout and TC every now and again.
If you're healing an instance and you get aggro, a shield is maybe going to make the difference of being hit for 800 and being hit for 700... IMO, not a big enough reduction to losing (this is all pre-OL) large amounts of stats.
What I'm trying to get across is that, through my experiences, before you get to OL, or even 70, there aren't enough options for 1handers and shields for them to be superior to 2handers.
I have never seen an enhancement pvp build like yours before. However, I wont attack it, and I would use more of a suicide build. Your needs as enhancement are 1- do a crap load of damage 2- do even more damage 3- heal if you can't kill them.
Try this for a pvp build: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?5520305020311000000050052301050013350010000000000000000000000
I'll porbobly try yours out though.
Try this for a pvp build: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?5520305020311000000050052301050013350010000000000000000000000
I'll porbobly try yours out though.
that pvp build is the suicide build O.o
edit : elemental devastiation is a useless talent.
Edited, Dec 15th 2007 3:32pm by Draeneipally
edit : elemental devastiation is a useless talent.
Edited, Dec 15th 2007 3:32pm by Draeneipally
Draeneipally, you aren't even level 70. Leave the FAQ to SunSoarer. ;)
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Draeneipally, you aren't even level 70. Leave the FAQ to SunSoarer. ;)
Being level 70 doesnt really mean anything, i've seen, met, and played with 70s that know nothing of the game or their own class
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Hey guys i just hit 70, where can i get my new 2nd pet?
either way, this is a wiki thread, add material and ill add it to the post, say im wrong? ill look into it and change it =D. Besides sunsoarer hasn't even posted in a month =(.
edit : typos baaaaaad
Edited, Dec 15th 2007 6:57pm by Draeneipally
So here it goes.
Draeneipally you said that for an Enhancement Shaman is to be the backbone of the groups dps.
This is basically saying to support your group and their dps while giving out decent dps yourself. Which I agree.
My question is why, if you're suppose to support your group, would you not take in any of the talents to improve/enhance your totems?
Also you said for pvp you should go for a big nice 2h for nice burst damage but yet you still put points into dual wield and improved dual wield.
For PVE I would go something like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hZxVbdVMsAuqoxbez
For PVP something like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hxZxVbzy0sA0oZg0ex00o
Now for the PVP, many of the talents are personal preference. Some people like Shamanistic Rage for the reduce damage and of course for replenishing your mana.
This also goes for Nature's Swiftness. An instant heal or instant lightning bolt can save you or nuke someone comes in handy.
Don't forget I'm talking about Enhancement, which is not the best PVP spec to go.
Draeneipally you said that for an Enhancement Shaman is to be the backbone of the groups dps.
This is basically saying to support your group and their dps while giving out decent dps yourself. Which I agree.
My question is why, if you're suppose to support your group, would you not take in any of the talents to improve/enhance your totems?
Also you said for pvp you should go for a big nice 2h for nice burst damage but yet you still put points into dual wield and improved dual wield.
For PVE I would go something like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hZxVbdVMsAuqoxbez
For PVP something like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hxZxVbzy0sA0oZg0ex00o
Now for the PVP, many of the talents are personal preference. Some people like Shamanistic Rage for the reduce damage and of course for replenishing your mana.
This also goes for Nature's Swiftness. An instant heal or instant lightning bolt can save you or nuke someone comes in handy.
Don't forget I'm talking about Enhancement, which is not the best PVP spec to go.
For PvP, I have never, EVER seen an enhancement shaman with better than a 1800 (on my server) rating. It just simply doesn't have the capabilities to be extremely competitive because of little burst damage, no CC and little survivability.
Edited, Dec 15th 2007 11:44pm by Schmere
Edited, Dec 15th 2007 11:44pm by Schmere
Draeneipally wrote:
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Draeneipally, you aren't even level 70. Leave the FAQ to SunSoarer. ;)
Being level 70 doesnt really mean anything, i've seen, met, and played with 70s that know nothing of the game or their own class
While it is unfortunate that many 70's do not know their class, that does not mean that you DO know what you are talking about when it comes to being a 70.
I would not write a FAQ about TBC Raids because I have not experienced all of them.
And you're right though...where the hell is SunSoarer?
my friend had a 70 holy pally that was did hyjal with his guild, he let me run kara and heroics with him sometimes. I have expierence with a 70, just dont ask about SSC, hyjal, or BT >_>.
but "2.3 Shaman FAQ/Wiki" means i add what others say.
but "2.3 Shaman FAQ/Wiki" means i add what others say.
my friend had a 70 holy pally that was did hyjal with his guild, he let me run kara and heroics with him sometimes. I have expierence with a 70, just dont ask about SSC, hyjal, or BT >_>.
but "2.3 Shaman FAQ/Wiki" means i add what others say.
but "2.3 Shaman FAQ/Wiki" means i add what others say.
my friend had a 70 holy pally that was did hyjal with his guild, he let me run kara and heroics with him sometimes. I have expierence with a 70, just dont ask about SSC, hyjal, or BT >_>.
but "2.3 Shaman FAQ/Wiki" means i add what others say.
but "2.3 Shaman FAQ/Wiki" means i add what others say.
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