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#1 Dec 12 2007 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
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*Semi Rant*

So I looking through quests and their rewards for Mail items and stuff of this nature... I noticed something. Almost every quest with a Mail item for reward is Shammy based! I was mad because I was looking for a good replacement for my gear and every time there was a quest with a blue item it was Spell Damage and healing. WTF!

Can we not get the quests having a reward for all classes? I am tired of doing quests just to use the reward as just chump change throw away item.

I love the hunter class and the complexity of it. I love having to figure out strategies in order to do things most classes can't. But why for the love of all that is holy can there be nothing in quest rewards but maybe 10 items I have found in outlands so far worth getting during the lvling process? I have lost interest in lvling my BE hunter because of this.

Also seems like every guild I have been in the hunters get the shaft on gearing up. No one wants to do the instances hunters need because... "none of our gear drops there" I just recently got into a guild that seems helpful for the most part but it wasn't till another hunter and I brought up to the guild leadership that we felt we were getting shafted on gear runs.

*end rant*
#2 Dec 12 2007 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
Meh, we don't really have it bad. Try gearing up a Feral druid to tank Karazhan. There's literally not a single head and shoulderpiece outside of raids that are actually good for tanking Heroics/Karazhan. And their gear doesn't drop there? What? Beastlord drops the same place as alot of classes get their loot. Sonic Spear drops in the instance where my Resto Druid picked up two pieces of Hallowed in one run. (And the same run, Sonic Spear dropped, which it has never done to my Exalted Hunter. )

Gearing up my Hunter for raids was easy. Three pieces of selfcrafted blues, then picking up questrewards and a couple of easy instance pieces. Voila! Karazhan ready, and the epics ensues. Hell, if you still got a couple of slots to fill, just go to an AV weekend and get the honor for a couple of S1 kits to pad out the final kinks in your armor, so to speak.

Hunters have it easy for gearing, to be honest. We can solo almost all of the group quests that result in Hunter loot. Crystalforged Waraxe and Valanos is cheap on the Auction house. We are insane for moneyfarming, so buying other crafted items is also easy.
#3 Dec 12 2007 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
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I have to agree with North, there is no reason for a hunter to be complaining about lack of gear. Hell we prolly the only class that could wear full lvl 70 green of the bandit and still come close the top in dps against other people in pre-raid gear.

Leveling a hunter is too easy to be complaining about a lack of gear rewards.
#4 Dec 12 2007 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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i acually felt the same when i went thru the portal, in hellfire there are acually very few hunter quest rewards, now getting there with my mage i replaced almost every piece of gear during my time in hellfire just from quest rewards.
that said on later levels it more the opposite, at 67+ there are a ton of really nice hunter rewards so its just abit unevenly spread out. and for me thats fine, hunters really isnt that gear dependant going thr the portal, we can manage soloing just fine anyways
#5 Dec 12 2007 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
Well, if you think about it, there has been a legendary outside of TK for every class pretty much, but none that hunters can use. I don't really care about this, because so few people have those legendaries, and they aren't so amazingly OP that it makes us completely useless against them, just pointing it out.
#6 Dec 13 2007 at 2:29 AM Rating: Decent
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It was really frustrating to get to where I'm at, but at 70+, it gets better. Just like everyone else is saying, hunters aren't very gear-dependant.

If you're having a really hard time getting quest rewards, run instances for a few pieces. The level 60-63 dungeons drop gear that can last you until 70.
#7 Dec 13 2007 at 3:42 AM Rating: Excellent
Hunters don't have it that bad.
Yes, there are quite some shaman quest rewards. But other classes have the same problem. Warriors "always" seeing paladin gear, paladins always getting warrior gear, ....
A shaman friend of mine complains that almost every mail item which has not spell damage or healing on it has a ******** of agi on it while he really needs strength with his enhancement shaman *g*.

There are not that many really good quest rewards (but there are at least some, e.g. Stalkers Helm of Second Sight), but there are not many for other classes as well. Once you have those quest rewards, you'll have to get the next loot from 5-mans, then heroics/kara, then the bid raids, ...
Itemization for hunters is ok at least up to the point where I am now (early SSC/TK).

BTW druids have an excellent tanking helm before entering Karazhan (Stylin Purple Hat or something like that) which they can get themselves crafted rather cheap.
Shoulders are not available that easily. However you can get some from The Black Morass (Sun-Gilded Shouldercaps or from heroic The Blood Furnace (Mantle of Shadowy Embrace)
My druid still has this hat and tanked nearly everything up till Void Reaver in TK. T4 is a lot better and the arena items are really good also, but it is a solid hat for tanking the early instances and raids.
#8 Dec 13 2007 at 5:46 AM Rating: Decent
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HitashLevat wrote:
*Semi Rant*

So I looking through quests and their rewards for Mail items and stuff of this nature... I noticed something. Almost every quest with a Mail item for reward is Shammy based!
It's easy to see things this way, but it's really just a "glass is half empty" reflex. When you get a nice mail quest item it's great, but when you're offered a mail Shaman quest reward it sucks. It's too easy to remember all the "sucks" moments and forget that you're wearing nice items from other quests.
#9 Dec 13 2007 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent
Also if you look at most of the Alliance quest rewards from level 0-60 there isn't much for a Shammy toon. Most of the mail with +spell on it are from instances that Horde can run too. "Back in the day" only the horde had the Shammy class so quest rewards didn't include Shammy gear.

I think the extra gear for them in Outlands is kind of an "Oops sorry here is some gear finally" from Bliz.
#10 Dec 13 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Scolariman wrote:
I think the extra gear for them in Outlands is kind of an "Oops sorry here is some gear finally" from Bliz.


That's what I tell myself, too.
#11 Dec 13 2007 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
everyone has different perspectives I guess. I thought it was very easy to gear up a hunter in outland personally. never found it difficult to get good drops from instances and made the transition into raiding flawlessly :D
#12 Dec 13 2007 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm... I remember thinking to myself "wow... finally some nice gear!" Maybe I was just really undergeared when I hit OL, but I was really happy with the drops and quest rewards that I was getting. I'm at 69 now and and I'm almost done replacing all my green gear with blues... some quest rewards, some lucky instance drops, and some bought off the AH.

All in all, I haven't found it too difficult to gear up... but then again I'm in a guild where a lot of us are more or less at the same point in gearing up so finding a group for an instance is never an issue. The combination of drops that I can use, drops that I can sell, and my skinning/mining make this hunter very happy gear-wise.
#13 Dec 13 2007 at 9:49 AM Rating: Default
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Go to Aethiens Pre-raid gear list, go to the instances the items drop from, quit whining and get geared. The quested gear is replaced extremely quickly once you hit 70, and getting to 70 solo through Outlands is ridiculously easy.

Buy greens from the AH if you need to, use "...of the Bandit" or "...of the Hunt" if you can find it and wear leather if you get the stats you want from it.

Basically quitcherbitchin because it's not gonna make quest rewards better, get you geared or get you to 70, we all had to deal with it and once you get to Kara you'll be fine, as long as you are following Aethiens gear/ stat list for specs (it really is great).
#14 Dec 14 2007 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
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FangXLR wrote:
Well, if you think about it, there has been a legendary outside of TK for every class pretty much, but none that hunters can use. I don't really care about this, because so few people have those legendaries, and they aren't so amazingly OP that it makes us completely useless against them, just pointing it out.
There is rumored to be a legendary bow in the upcoming Raid instance (sunwell i thought)
so quit yer moaning.


Also, how is it possible that everyone is so short of hunter mail items where i had more then enough to keep me satisfied?
#15 Dec 14 2007 at 6:53 AM Rating: Default
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Katchii wrote:
Go to Aethiens Pre-raid gear list, go to the instances the items drop from, quit whining and get geared. The quested gear is replaced extremely quickly once you hit 70, and getting to 70 solo through Outlands is ridiculously easy.

Buy greens from the AH if you need to, use "...of the Bandit" or "...of the Hunt" if you can find it and wear leather if you get the stats you want from it.

Basically quitcherbitchin because it's not gonna make quest rewards better, get you geared or get you to 70, we all had to deal with it and once you get to Kara you'll be fine, as long as you are following Aethiens gear/ stat list for specs (it really is great).


I have already stated several times on this board that I am using that to replace my gear. I have also stated how hard it seems to be to get a run in SV set up on my server. No one wants to run it much further past the Key Frag. Hell I had a full group yesterday for this place and as soon as we got to the shard 3 people dropped and hearthed. I was like WTF.

Also I already know getting to 70 Solo is easy. How do you think I did it. I didn't run an instance past Blood Furnace until lvl 70. When the first instance I did after that was Bot.

Edited, Dec 14th 2007 7:00am by HitashLevat
#16 Dec 14 2007 at 6:55 AM Rating: Default
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Aethien wrote:
FangXLR wrote:
Well, if you think about it, there has been a legendary outside of TK for every class pretty much, but none that hunters can use. I don't really care about this, because so few people have those legendaries, and they aren't so amazingly OP that it makes us completely useless against them, just pointing it out.
There is rumored to be a legendary bow in the upcoming Raid instance (sunwell i thought)
so quit yer moaning.


Also, how is it possible that everyone is so short of hunter mail items where i had more then enough to keep me satisfied?


Someone linked a Legendary bow 2 days ago that they said they got from Black Temple. (If i remember the name right.) It looks freakin sick, and is like 118 DPS with tons of everything we need. But meh... Just another item Ill never get LOL.
#17 Dec 15 2007 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
HitashLevat wrote:
Aethien wrote:
FangXLR wrote:
Well, if you think about it, there has been a legendary outside of TK for every class pretty much, but none that hunters can use. I don't really care about this, because so few people have those legendaries, and they aren't so amazingly OP that it makes us completely useless against them, just pointing it out.
There is rumored to be a legendary bow in the upcoming Raid instance (sunwell i thought)
so quit yer moaning.


Also, how is it possible that everyone is so short of hunter mail items where i had more then enough to keep me satisfied?


Someone linked a Legendary bow 2 days ago that they said they got from Black Temple. (If i remember the name right.) It looks freakin sick, and is like 118 DPS with tons of everything we need. But meh... Just another item Ill never get LOL.


Then he talked *********
There is only one legendary bow in the game atm. And that you get when you fight the end boss in the eye (tempest keep). The bow however can only be used during this fight. You loot that bow during the fight, you use it during the fight and as soon as the fight is ends (you won / your group wiped / you leave the instance, ...) the bow is lost to you until the next time you fight that guy.

An Blizz developer however hinted that there will be a legandary ranged weapon obtainable within the Sunwell raid instance (thats what will probably go live with patch 2.4 and will include the tier 7 raid set, so probably only less than 0.5% of the player base will see that instance and even less will see the boss where this legandary will drop, but we all can start dreaming *g*).
#18 Dec 15 2007 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, most shamans would say all the mail out there is hunter base, and that there isn't anything really good for enhancement shammies.

Enhance shamans go for exactly the same stats as warriors, altough mail rather than plate, namely str and +crit on the DPS side. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is for them to get mail with +agi and +AP? That's the case that's true in 99% of all the mail cases that aren't +spell dmg.

Hunters get AP from AP and they get AP from agi, as well as crit. Shammies get AP from AP, but str scales with BoK. They get crit from agi, but much more crit for crit (rating).

I see hunters as very privileged on the gear side, for two reasons.
- We've got good gear alternatives.
- We don't need good gear to DPS.

I could pull 500-600 DPS in full levelling greens. In blues and epix I pull 900 (boss-fight). Shamans need good weapons and alot of AP and crit to DPS. We just need to learn our SS rotation.

It's always easy to see flaw somewhere when you're the one it affects. I always complained on all the pally rewards when I was levelling my warrior. However, if I were to level a paladin, I'm sure I'd feel a whole different way about the "lack of warrior rewards". I believe this holds strong in more cases.
#19 Dec 15 2007 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Utarius wrote:
We just need to learn our SS rotation.
You're correct to point out that Hunters can improve their DPS by understanding the mechanics of the class. But you're foolish to propose that gear is not important to a Hunter.

Once the Hunter in greens understands their shot rotation and other class mechanics, where is their improvement path? Right, it's gear.

Edited, Dec 15th 2007 8:23pm by Kompera
#20 Dec 17 2007 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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I've been doing a lot of the Netherstorm quests and I have to disagree with the 'mail' comment about it all being for hunters. I've run into ALOT of +spl dmg and shaman mail. I always know that when I skip it and take the plate reward because it seems to vendor better.

There is plenty of Shaman gear out there. Shamen, like Hunters and every other class needs to look up WHAT they want to get and go for it just like every other class.

We have it pretty okay now as a class. The loss of the deadzone has made several new strategies open up. Did Ring of Blood last night and loved the ability to remain just out of melee range and twang away. Nice dagger from Ring of Blood too... definitely an improvement to my DW pair.
#21 Dec 21 2007 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Kompera wrote:
You're correct to point out that Hunters can improve their DPS by understanding the mechanics of the class. But you're foolish to propose that gear is not important to a Hunter.

When did I say that?
Utarius wrote:
- We don't need good gear to DPS.

And we DON'T need good gear to DPS. Warriors, shammies and rogues at least have to have decent weapons to do acceptable DPS. BM hunters need do **** all but learn their SS rotation and weave KC in there.

Kompera wrote:
Once the Hunter in greens understands their shot rotation and other class mechanics, where is their improvement path? Right, it's gear.

You're not reading me right mate. What other class can pull 600 DPS in levelling greens? I don't know anyone who can. Gear is important to ALL classes, and gear will allways yield additional improvement when you've maxed out your skillzzz.

Bottom line is; we do (relativly...) insane DPS without almost any gear requirements.
#22 Dec 21 2007 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, most shamans would say all the mail out there is hunter base, and that there isn't anything really good for enhancement shammies.


Most shamans wouldn't say that, but they would complain about quest rewards not all being optimal for their spec.

Quest rewards tend to be DPS-weighted, and in the case of Mail drops that means a certain split between Hunter, Elemental (shaman), and Enhancement (shaman) drops. Note shamans make up 2/3rds of the mail drops in this split.

The actual split is more chaotic than that, with a few Resto pieces sprinkled in. And if Hunter drops are anything like Warriors, there's at least a little variety in the types of drops between Hunter specs too (with some pieces favoring arms, others favoring dw fury, and very rarely a protection piece showing up.)

The point being that most classes in the game see a ton of 'useless' quest rewards even though it's their armor type (mail, etc).
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